Coach Search Options after Autry

[35kcuse]

Syracuse University has a 2.27 billion dollar endowment and charges $100,000 per year for students to attend (and growing). If Syracuse can’t hire a basketball coach, then I not only question the athletic state of the program, I question the state of the institution.

 

[Cusefan0307]

He also can show not one but two Coach of the year awards. Plus, a long time serving this institution well. He can try to sell that he lost his recruiting base when he went west. And that Washington is a tough place to win.

He recruited well until he went 15-17 with multiple McDonalds All Americans.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Syracuse University has a 2.27 billion dollar endowment and charges $100,000 per year for students to attend (and growing). If Syracuse can’t hire a basketball coach, then I not only question the athletic state of the program, I question the state of the institution.

Why pay a coach $2m a year to drive one of the biggest sources of revenue when they can pay $500k+/year for a bunch of administrators including a special advisor to the AD?

 

[powdersmack]

There are myriad reasons why so many have no faith that the folk on The Hill have a clue as to the best path forward.

 

[dasher]

Syracuse University has a 2.27 billion dollar endowment and charges $100,000 per year for students to attend (and growing). If Syracuse can’t hire a basketball coach, then I not only question the athletic state of the program, I question the state of the institution.

The endowment has zero effect on what we pay a basketball coach. Take a look at Harvard's endowment. Or Yale. Why aren't they hoop powers? Neither does the tuition costs. Totally different pots to draw from.

 

[littlereg]

Kansas state coach - $3.6m a year
Cincinnati coach $3.2m per yead
LSU coach - $2.8m per year
ND coach - $4m a year
OU coach - $3.1m a year
SC coach - $3.75m a year
ASU coach - $3.6m a year

And yeah all everyone keeps saying is “if Syracuse wants to be serious about competing, etc etc etc” they have some massive ground to cover and when have they EVER proven to pay for what they need ? But to think this is some sort of layup, you guys need to do some research because it’s not

There’s kinda some missing context to this though so it’s not exactly the same argument. Every single coach on your list has received an extension besides schrewsberry (who was signed from another p4 school so that’s another discussion), and McMahon (whom has a reported 8-11m dollar buyout because the language in the contract states “LSU would owe him 80 percent of both his remaining base salary and supplemental compensation.”that LSU is not expected to be willing to pay this year.).

 

[dasher]

There are myriad reasons why so many have no faith that the folk on The Hill have a clue as to the best path forward.

I believe he is in the NBA now, correct?

 

[orange79]

Syracuse University has a 2.27 billion dollar endowment and charges $100,000 per year for students to attend (and growing). If Syracuse can’t hire a basketball coach, then I not only question the athletic state of the program, I question the state of the institution.

I really can't believe how many times this needs to be said, but endowments ARE NOT USED for any athletic department purposes. Ever. They are never used for day-to-day or operational funding.

 

[littlereg]

He also can show not one but two Coach of the year awards. Plus, a long time serving this institution well. He can try to sell that he lost his recruiting base when he went west. And that Washington is a tough place to win.

Every single thing possible to codddle and defend Hopkins, but if a point is brought up to defend Hodsgon it gets all the push back. Hilarious.

 

[dasher]

Every single thing possible to code Hopkins, but if it a point is brought up to defend Hodsgon it gets all the push back. Hilarious.

I think BH has got a ton of praise on this board. And I wasn't doing any coding for Hopkins. I was stating what that side would say about his job at Washington. There has been plenty of what you would call coding for BH. It does seem that the bh side can't even listen to the Hopkins argument without getting upset. While I don't favor for Hopkins in this battle, I find the BH side hilarious with their defensive argument for him.

 

[capeorange]

No one is saying we have to hire Hopkins. Including me. I want BH. But some people on here are clueless (not directing that at you). You know how many schools have more money than cuse on that list that Norlander posted alone? Hmmm let’s see - LSU, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Arizona state and that’s not counting other schools that haven’t even fired their coaches yet. This is a top 2 coaching candidate free agent in AMERICA and you guys think he’s just about to walk on campus and the only issue that could arise is if the university “screws it up”… What is USF gives him a new deal? You guys act like that’s not a possibility either …

You guys think that these schools or others aren’t going to overbid to make it seem like they are taking bball seriously? I mean cmon common sense isn’t too present these days on here. You guys don’t think a school is going to offer a few million more a year than cuse and think BH is gonna take a cuse discount because he really wants the job. It’s not even a known fact he wants the job. Also, Not counting the lower income tax rates on top of it for those other states. This guy has insane leverage right now

Well said, thank you.

 

[Cappy3]

He also can show not one but two Coach of the year awards. Plus, a long time serving this institution well. He can try to sell that he lost his recruiting base when he went west. And that Washington is a tough place to win.

Should also be noted that in one of those Coach of the Year seasons his team did not make the NCAA tournament.

 

[littlereg]

a large majority of the “old guard” of this program and fanbase are a large part of why we’re as behind as we are but don’t worry they totally are with the times and reality. Also why so many of these conversations are completely pointless because half the people you argue with are clueless on the college basketball landscape of 2026. Keep thinking your poop stinks like flowers while you’re standing in a pig pen that’ll get you far, oh wait it already has look at us now, barely beating out Pitt and ND for the last seed in the acc tournament! Wooohooo yippy ki yay

 

[FrancoPizza]

Do you have a reason for thinking this? Its one thing to say you've always been a fan of Syracuse and want to coach here and quite another to take a pay cut to come here.

How many recruits have we seen call SU their dream school before eventually choosing the highest bidder instead?

This whole situation is extremely fluid, both with Syracuse still hiring the leaders who should be choosing our next coach and with BH whose resume is an extremely small sample size. He could still easily miss the tournament, or his team is good enough to make the tournament and win a couple games. If they do it will probably earn him another 5 maybe even 10 million dollars in the open market (across the length of the contract). Its certainly not crazy to think he might want that money that he earned.

I have to laugh at all the people calling this simple. Making a muti million dollar, extremely publicly scrutinized decision with no chancellor and no AD is anything but simple. We are very lucky to have the insiders we do, and very lucky to know as much as we do. But its insane to think this situation is anything other than very fluid and very unstable.

Where did I say taking a pay cut was competitive? I'm talking about our offer (presuming we make one) vs other offers he will be fielding. All other things being pretty equal, a person is going to make a decision based on intangibles. The intangibles in this case favor SU.

 

[shandeezy7]

I really can't believe how many times this needs to be said, but endowments ARE NOT USED for any athletic department purposes. Ever. They are never used for day-to-day or operational funding.

That's not entirely true. Lots of schools have head coach endowments, program endowments, athletic scholarship endowments, etc. The principal is never spent, but the interest that they spin off most certainly does go toward operating costs within the designated athletic programs they support. That being said, most athletics-specific endowment funds usually make up a pretty small portion of a college/university's overall endowment.

 

[sufan59]

I've got to say there does seem to be quite a "all we have to do is offer Hodgson the job, it's his dream job, done deal" echo chamber going on

It should be a done deal, but it's not because this is a messy situation and we have a side who I love for what they've done for the university, but are focused on nonsense. Guarantee BH 10 million a year guaranteed in resources for the first 2 years, he can probably get even more than that the second casual people learn about him. University should be prepared to be paying 3.25 million plus after year 2 granted he delivers atleast 22 or 23 wins with NCAAT berth in year 1. Starting salary at 2.5 million negotiable dependent on how the season ends for him at South Florida. University would have to be prepared to go 3 million plus year 1 on starting salary if Hodgson USF team makes the tournament and gets to the second weekend.

 

[Fly Rodder]

He recruited well until he went 15-17 with multiple McDonalds All Americans.

Personally, I think the bigger issue is that he was there 7 years and never cracked the top-40 in KP with good to great talent - including those he brought from the northeast.

It does seem that the bh side can't even listen to the Hopkins argument without getting upset.

Because their coaching resume and current momentum are not even close to comparable unless the potential hiring school is Syracuse. And then it's only because they both have some booster support that's not really quantifiable (there have been numbers bandied about, but that's straight rumor unlike their coaching stats).

 

[dasher]

Should also be noted that in one of those Coach of the Year seasons his team did not make the NCAA tournament.

Sure. Everything should be brought up. What we don't know is the financial situation at the University. The real one. Not the cry poor one that everyone of us that graduated from the University heard for 4 years while we were there. Maybe we are flush with money. Maybe the South Florida buyout would really hurt us. I have no idea. Maybe the NIL money from Melo is real and we really need it. We do know who we believe is the better coach from what our eyes have seen.

 

[littlereg]

I think BH has got a ton of praise on this board. And I wasn't doing any coding for Hopkins. I was stating what that side would say about his job at Washington. There has been plenty of what you would call coding for BH. It does seem that the bh side can't even listen to the Hopkins argument without getting upset. While I don't favor for Hopkins in this battle, I find the BH side hilarious with their defensive argument for him.

Again hilarious.

Even more funny to call others crybabies while you saying this the irony is beyond hilarious. The BH side doesn’t wanna hear the same BS repeated over and over again like corporate Syracuse will continue to do. To boost up their guy. But don’t worry if anyone boosts up hodgson and give push backs it’s not being an emotional cry baby right?

 

[dasher]

Again hilarious.

I agree.

 

[rrlbees]

I really can't believe how many times this needs to be said, but endowments ARE NOT USED for any athletic department purposes. Ever. They are never used for day-to-day or operational funding.

In my endowment I put that it can be used for athletics.

 

[sufan59]

I think BH has got a ton of praise on this board. And I wasn't doing any coding for Hopkins. I was stating what that side would say about his job at Washington. There has been plenty of what you would call coding for BH. It does seem that the bh side can't even listen to the Hopkins argument without getting upset. While I don't favor for Hopkins in this battle, I find the BH side hilarious with their defensive argument for him.

Did Hopkins try to get a lower level head coaching job when he got fired from Washington?

 

[littlereg]

Sure. Everything should be brought up. What we don't know is the financial situation at the University. The real one. Not the cry poor one that everyone of us that graduated from the University heard for 4 years while we were there. maybe we are flush with money. Maybe the South Florida buyout would really hurt us. I have no idea. Maybe the NIL money from melo is real and we really need it. We do know who we believe is the better coach from what our eyes have seen.

You speak hypothetically to boost Hopkins every single time. If you can’t even come up with a good faith argument in reality, maybe just maybe it’s not a good idea! Shocking right.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I really can't believe how many times this needs to be said, but endowments ARE NOT USED for any athletic department purposes. Ever. They are never used for day-to-day or operational funding.

The new AD can just go down to the Endowment Savings & Loan and withdraw billions of dollars to pay the next coach, right?

 

[Fly Rodder]

Did Hopkins try to get a lower level head coaching job when he got fired from Washington?

No, he got a job with his buddy Troy Weaver.