Coach Search Options after Autry

[Cuseloyal]

We desperately need this search to come to and end lol everyone has had enough of the rumors and inside info. It has been a long year

 

[Cusefan69]

Yeah if Providence is at 14 million Hodgson is honestly dumb to not take it. He’d be top 5 nationally money wise.

So these are all data points that are fluid. Not sure where $14M is coming from. I would think that figure is inflated. There's allot of "agent talk " in the "digisphere" right now. Typically the agents will ask for a higher number knowing that is intended to get the schools to stretch. I bet BH is fine with $9/$10M. If he gets more great. There's maybe 5 schools over $14M for hoops currently?

 

[RF2044]

My opinion was nil would be asked about. Simple.

Coach Search Options after Autry

There’s a treasure trove.

Yeah... there sure is. Beginning with my FIRST WORDS in that post that I was offering an alternative perspective. Looks like you didn't pick up on that.

And honestly, bees, I'm sorry that a post from February 7th -- which was 37 days ago -- has caused you so much angst. That said post, which anyone can reference above and read for themselves to see whether I said anything pointed or inconsiderate or in appropriately mean to you, was so controversial just because it differed from your own.

And perish the thought that it offered an alternative theory, that trying to keep up with joneses and be a team that tries to max spend NIL is not sustainable... or [GASP] that NIL contributions from the fanbase at large might improve if the product on the court improves.

If THIS is what got your panties in a bunch to begin with, and has induced you to call me a LIAR -- wow, Bees.

The more simple explanation is that you can't tolerate any opinion that deviates from your own, including one framed in a respectful and non-argumentative manner.

But thank you for posting that link, so that I could go validate that nothing was pointed nor has anything since been retconned, and disregard all of the name calling you've done since.

 

[Newhouser]

He shouldn't. I like him, but there's other guys w/ similar resumes out there who have been mentioned here and IF (purely speculation) he presses his luck, he might regret it.

That is where I'm at too. I mean we are talking about people who have never won a tournament game. What was once one of the great programs in college basketball is now playing chicken with guys who have really accomplished very little.

 

[SUfanNC]

UGH. Please no more of that nonsense.

If the goal is to lure in big money donors in the metro area, then approach them in a targeted way.

Pissing money away on a doomed-to-fail marketing campaign is a colossal waste of money. We tried that, it didn't work, now try something else.

Maybe a game in MSG in Dec and invite some big$$ guys

 

[oldpinepoint]

My opinion was nil would be asked about. Simple.

Coach Search Options after Autry

There’s a treasure trove.

You two are exhausting, I haven’t read either of your posts for the last 4 pages because I no idea what you are both bitching about.

 

[PoppyHart]

Wait, wait wait. You're saying that coaches are asking schools how much money they'll have for rosters? Do the Syracuse U folks know? What about other schools? This is huge if true.

Heck, Arkansas was crying poor in December.

The Yankees cry poor too fer crissakes.

Remember when Gundy at OSU (aka Boone Pickens State) was lamenting NIL matters leading into the Oregon game?

 

[Cusefan69]

What if this is all just a giant smokescreen so they can announce the 2nd all-time most winning college basketball coach is coming out of retirement for his 48th season to resurrect the program he built.:..tell me that wouldn’t be the most Syracuse like move ever

 

[elimunelson]

Maybe a game in MSG in Dec and invite some big$$ guys

Marketing SU is playing teams in the north east and playing locally.

We are a northeastern school. Play PC, St John’s, UConn in Hartford, BC in boston, etc and kids will come to see the circus

Seeing SU play in Dallas or Oakland area isn’t gonna cut the cake marketing wise.

 

[granthath9]

So these are all data points that are fluid. Not sure where $14M is coming from. I would think that figure is inflated. There's allot of "agent talk " in the "digisphere" right now. Typically the agents will ask for a higher number knowing that is intended to get the schools to stretch. I bet BH is fine with $9/$10M. If he gets more great. There's maybe 5 schools over $14M for hoops currently?

Yeah I’d say so. The majority of schools in power conferences are sitting in the 8-10 range. 12 if they’re lucky.

 

[OptimusOtto]

Maybe a game in MSG in Dec and invite some big$$ guys

Isn’t that part of why we took that Oregon game in South Dakota Jimmy’s last year ?

 

[Fly Rodder]

Was discussed in another thread. They support the academic side, not athletics.

That's cool, too. More money to academics means that university can stop robbing athletic revenue to pay for a bunch of admins who have let the basketball program flounder for 12 years.

 

[rrlbees]

Yeah... there sure is. Beginning with my FIRST WORDS in that post that I was offering an alternative perspective. Looks like you didn't pick up on that.

And honestly, bees, I'm sorry that a post from February 7th -- which was 37 days ago -- has caused you so much angst. That said post, which anyone can reference above and read for themselves to see whether I said anything pointed or inconsiderate or in appropriately mean to you, was so controversial just because it differed from your own.

And perish the thought that it offered an alternative theory, that trying to keep up with joneses and be a team that tries to max spend NIL is not sustainable... or [GASP] that NIL contributions from the fanbase at large might improve if the product on the court improves.

If THIS is what got your panties in a bunch to begin with, and has induced you to call me a LIAR -- wow, Bees.

The more simple explanation is that you can't tolerate any opinion that deviates from your own, including one framed in a respectful and non-argumentative manner.

But thank you for posting that link, so that I could go validate that nothing was pointed nor has anything since been retconned, and disregard all of the name calling you've done since.

there are many many more than just that one with you making claims of me saying things that weren't in any of those posts. should i post them? id rather not. and if my statement was so "duh" why any of this? yes or no. is nil something a coaching candidate will ask about? no long winded answer, just yes or no.

 

[Newhouser]

i don't see how its sustainable either. numbers will just keep growing. there has to be a saturation point.

It's not sustainable. Only question is how long it goes.

 

[Cusefan69]

Do people actually think that ADBB is just dilly-dallying in Toledo and not working on this?

I mean, talk about just being flat out wrong. From what I’m hearing, he’s very much involved in this search.

It’s still going to be a collaborative decision, but he’s out there doing what he should be doing.

From what I understand, Lally and Wildhack are totally aligned on what needs to happen. Based on some statements that BB made, I think he will also agree with them.

They know who the best candidate out there is.

Some people were concerned about an"out of left field " coaching hire given how it played out with BB. There's no way BB would have gotten the job though if he wasn't of like mind with JW and others. That said your information should make some feel better.

 

[rrlbees]

blairs 2 greatest strengths it appears are what we need right now. bringing people together and fundraising.

 

[Newhouser]

I have to believe that some salary cap regulation has to be coming soon. Otherwise you'll have Texas, Ohio State, and about half the teams in both the SEC / B1G able to keep up.

Wasn't Texas's expenditure for their football roster last year something like $40 million? How is that fair? Who can keep up if this is a consistent upward trend, outside of like 10 teams?

But it's never been fair. Now that it's out in the open people are just more aware. There have always been have and have nots in college athletics.

 

[Frozen]

blairs 2 greatest strengths it appears are what we need right now. bringing people together and fundraising.

Also, barbecue.

 

[CuseBlock]

This thread is like reading fanfic at this point

 

[LpoolNative]

Also, barbecue.

Hey bnoro changed his profile pic. Time to match it

 

[RF2044]

there are many many more than just that one with you making claims of me saying things that weren't in any of those posts. should i post them? id rather not. and if my statement was so "duh" why any of this? yes or no. is nil something a coaching candidate will ask about? no long winded answer, just yes or no.

Honestly, I don't think you posting that earlier message helps your cause -- AT ALL.

Specifically because it doesn't seem like you bothered to read my post. I clearly addressed that our NIL wouldn't dissuade a coach, based upon what our alleged payments were to players based upon the information that had been released about what we were spending this year. Here's what I actually said -- again, thanks for posting so that your weird intepretation can be debunked:

But I'm guessing that any candidate with the chops might look at the current state, see that we're in the top 5 in NIL within the ACC conference, and think that they can work with that by providing a better on-court product than what we're seeing under Autry. There's more than one way to skin a cat; out-spending everybody in terms of NIL is one strategy, but it is CERTAINLY NOT the only way to be successful.

I think people get locked into these false dichotomies of only being black and white, A versus B, when the answer is probably in the middle:

If a coach can build it, the fans will come. And so will NIL $$$'s.


Maybe next time, try to read what I actually post first before just getting knee-jerk offended.

And sure, we can split hairs about NIL vs. NIL + revenue share [I've seen posters clarify that we might be 8th, not fifth, but top third of the conference]. I may have gotten a detail wrong -- although I am fairly certain that I could go back and find an article indicating that we were in the top 5 in the ACC, which is where that claim was coming from.

It wasn't made up, it wasn't a "lie" as you are claiming, and I straight out said that it would be a factor that was considered and wouldn't be a disqualifier for SU, because we could meet the minimum thresholds. Ad because NIL contributions would increase if the coach could turn things around and reengage the fans. I honestly don't know where you are coming up with this false attribution that it wouldn't be discussed -- seems like a misinterpretation on your part.

 

[sufan59]

Also, barbecue.

He needs to go in on that passion with the fanbase. The AD is increasingly becoming much more of a public facing role. Like he should have a station on the quad before football games serving up some of his BBQ recipes.

 

[Fly Rodder]

But it's never been fair. Now that it's out in the open people are just more aware. There have always been have and have nots in college athletics.

I think it's more fair now than it has ever been.

I also think that the current Syracuse sports crew were completely unprepared for the NIL era and have only barely started to get going. They've been behind the curve and reactive. ADBB has been working the angles for years already. And future HCBH has seen up close and personally how the Alabama machine works. Gerry has only really seen how Syracuse has attempted NIL and a small school in a low level D1 conference managed it.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

UGH. Please no more of that nonsense.

If the goal is to lure in big money donors in the metro area, then approach them in a targeted way.

Pissing money away on a doomed-to-fail marketing campaign is a colossal waste of money. We tried that, it didn't work, now try something else.

I've actually made my career in marketing by executing on highly personalized, highly targeted marketing campaigns, and you're exactly right.

You do need to work at multiple levels, but whales tip the scales my friends.

 

[Sherman20]

Just stating a fact here, and I don’t mean this to step on anybody’s toes, but the $30MM Melo and Hopkins situation was completely fabricated.

I don’t think that means you need to attack the people who share info on here. Sometimes even the best get bad info every once in a while.

Thanks for sharing. Can you clarify if Melo is a potential NIL donor for us going forward? Hoping Blair can get him onboard.