Coach Search Options after Autry

[PauliePeppas]

There's movement in the background at SU. JW, Blair and others are no idiots, they know the score/deal whatever saying you wanna use. They are gonna pound the pavement to get in additional funds but we also need an updated plan for moving forward to increase the outside NIL moneys.

Sounds great but they whiffed on the top target and will be going to way lesser school historically

 

[kingtidge]

We do have enough money to buy out Red and hire a HC, SU from what I heard had a very competitive offer out $$ salary wise to BH, signfiicant incrase from Red.

The issue is the NIL as outlined, there definitely isn't 11-12 mill + ready to go for bball.

Ok, yeah. I thought it was the NIL+rev share that was short... But JeremyCuse posted above that it was the salary/compo package offer that BH turned down... So conflicting info...

Also, going light on the salary/compo is something we're good at, so would not surprise me if our our pond of realistic targets are smaller fish and the shark was never realistic this cycle.

 

[nyucuse]

FWIW, a real shark takes the Syracuse job if given the opportunity to have it. Sharks see and chase the ceiling they don't worry about the floor.

Same sentiment as my post just before you. But much more eloquently stated!

 

[kingtidge]

Sounds like Dukes secret society has figured it out with 3 guys and no pub. How do they do it?

Those 3 doods are a venture capital cabal, as I read it.

 

[Toga]

Weiss is so old, he uses an actual typewriter.

 

[Cusesky8214]

Doty needs to be our 3rd option if we want to be good next year

Not saying I agree or disagree...just sharing that I was told something from someone that has a relationship with a current player on Siena. I think its safe to say its Gmac. I'd be surprised if its not.

 

[OrangeFoo]

GMAC it is then.
Thanks boys and girls, it's been fun!
Can't wait until fb starts up.

Good… he should have been the guy after jb in my opinion. I hope he’s on the sidelines for 20+ years.

Even Hodgson was a crapshoot… every realistic candidate left is a crapshoot. Let’s roll the dice with one of our own.

I call bs that he will be an extension of boeheim ball… we have no idea. My main question is can he recruit at this level. If he can he will get the ship rolling.

someone please tell my why any of our realistic options left are a better bet than GMAC

 

[capeorange]

Just heard we are getting a nice little NIL boost for basketball. All I can share at this time.

The timing makes me think that BH was not our primary choice.

 

[im4cuse]

If Hodgson thinks Providence is his comfort zone and max level, I want bigger! Like May's attitude toward Michigan

I want anyone with a different agent than the one repping BH, GMac. Can’t deal with snakes.

 

[VikesCuse84]

Just heard we are getting a nice little NIL boost for basketball. All I can share at this time.

Which one of you got the Saudi Prince to write the check? Lol

 

[JRHEETER]

When does the SyracuseFan collective start? Look if we each find 3 friends to donate and they find 3 friends to donate... We can really fix this thing!!

Weve been there done that before.


It helped significantly, unfortunately the group that was handling all of the administrative ends of it ceased operations.

It was far too much for a small group of us to handle on our own with contracts, lawyers, money management etc.

 

[Fly Rodder]

30 days ago:

Gmac is the giant shiny red EASY button for the next hire to placate a very vocal minority of people from the BoT on down. And I think that button is going to be really hard to resist pushing.

So until the next coach starts the season, I won’t believe that Gerry is definitively out of the HC search.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Ok, yeah. I thought it was the NIL+rev share that was short... But JeremyCuse posted above that it was the salary/compo package offer that BH turned down... So conflicting info...

I can't sit here and say X was the reason for sure SU and Hodgson didn't reach an agreement but from what I know it was not salary related in anyway

 

[Hopkins16]

Ok, I’ve been perusing through this thread the last few days and I’m not sure anyone has pointed out the elephant in the room.

So, what is that, you ask?

Ok, while everyone debates who should be the next coach and where the money is coming from to pay players (by the way, the term should be Play for Pay instead of NIL, but that’s insignificant), we’re missing the bigger picture.

This isn’t sustainable. Play for Pay (PFP) can’t last as it’s currently structured. Ok, maybe it can survive at some of the elite schools, the wealthy programs from the Big 10, SEC, Big 12 and ACC, but even that’s not a guarantee. It’s a matter of time before the money train dries up. Many schools can’t continue to expect donors to keep funding their programs with little in return. It’s okay for a few years, but then donor fatigue becomes real,

The richest schools will manage..They have their bottomless donors, huge alumni bases and massive TV contracts. But for the schools next in the pecking order, life isn’t so grand. A school like Syracuse finds itself scrambling for money to appease potential coaching hires. It’s not sustainable. It’s a money race that many schools can’t win.

We all want a winner now. We want to return to our glory years. We want someone to come up with the money to make it possible. But at what price? And when does it end?

This is why selecting the right coach is so important. We will never beat out the well financed teams like Duke, Arkansas and now BYU who have the funds to pay up to 5 or 6 million for the best players, and 2 to 3 million for their 4th or 5th best players. We definitely need a better funded NIL, but though I haven’t researched it, I am sure there are many teams in the Tournament that are at or below our level of NIL that are competitive, well coached and will get beyond the early rounds. I wouldn’t be surprised if Duke and BYU do not make it to the elite 8 after all the spending.

 

[kingtidge]

Just heard we are getting a nice little NIL boost for basketball. All I can share at this time.

We need some positive news in here! Gr8 to hear...

 

[BronsonCuse]

Weve been there done that before.


It helped significantly, unfortunately the group that was handling all of the administrative ends of it ceased operations.

It was far too much for a small group of us to handle on our own with contracts, lawyers, money management etc.

Oh I was just kidding and referencing The Office scene about a pyramid scheme. I agree with Richmond and AZ about the need to think differently in this space. We have to find a way to maximize the passion this region and alumni have for Syracuse. Stale is the word that comes to mind with Syracuse right now. New ideas, fresh blood is needed badly and Im hopeful for ADBB.. No shade toward what the board did previously I thought that was great!

 

[richmondcuse03]

Sounds like Dukes secret society has figured it out with 3 guys and no pub. How do they do it?

They have a much more successful alumni base that stays involved with their school for starters. I suspect there's a lot more to the just three guys that were named in the WSJ story too. There's a reason it's secret and I suspect there's a bunch more folks involved. I have to imagine they all own/run businesses where having Duke basketball players show up to internal events or dinners with clients is worth it too. You get 10 who are willing to give $1M a year or 20 at 500k a year and you get dinners with the coach, private things with players...probably half are in NYC/Silicon Valley and a smaller group in the NC area and it sells itself.

Honestly, the "exclusive" part is probably part of the intrigue.

Lots of ways do it. I've seen NYC bars do events with football players from SEC schools because of those alumni bases and collective relationships. I've never see a NYC event for our basketball team tied to promotional NIL stuff. Perhaps they're doing it behind the scenes but given it seems our NIL for basketball has been tied to just a few individuals and no noticeable marketing deals...I suspect not.

 

[Bill Orange]

“Those People Are Stupid” — Boeheim Blasts Syracuse Fans Wanting Outside Hire

The divide in Syracuse Orange men’s basketball fandom just got louder — and a lot more direct. Because Jim Boeheim didn’t just weigh in on the coaching search debate… He went straight at the skeptics. Appearing on Chris Russo’s SiriusXM show, Boeheim was asked about a growing sentiment among...

orangefizz.net

 

[JRHEETER]

Oh I was just kidding and referencing The Office scene about a pyramid scheme. I agree with Richmond and AZ about the need to think differently in this space. We have to find a way to maximize the passion this region and alumni have for Syracuse. Stale is the word that comes to mind with Syracuse right now. New ideas, fresh blood is needed badly and Im hopeful for ADBB.. No shade toward what the board did previously I thought that was great!

Did not think it was shade in anyway!

Honestly, the amount of money this board can harvest is impressive.

Hopefully Brian Blair recognizes that and uses it to his advantage.

We had a healthy sum of money and it was only growing.

 

[007]

Can’t give details but it’s a nice little boost for sure.

This is great news and good timing for what's coming.

 

[atlanticuse]

If only he becomes our ALLY.

 

[kingtidge]

The interesting thing is this NIL boost is for basketball only.

Well, bball is where there's the big deficit at the moment, yes? Football is in better shape and getting more of the rev share as the primary big dog sport, no?

 

[Melancer46]

I want to know why people think Luke Murray would take the SU job.

The most obvious reason: assistants almost (maybe literally?) never get to start out in a P4 HC job unless it's an internal promotion (Scheyer for example, and Hurley isn't expected to leave).

Duke's assistant for example just left for the Belmont job. If Murray would rather start at like, just random suggestion here, Eastern Michigan vs. Syracuse then that's certainly a choice.

 

[PauliePeppas]

“Those People Are Stupid” — Boeheim Blasts Syracuse Fans Wanting Outside Hire

The divide in Syracuse Orange men’s basketball fandom just got louder — and a lot more direct. Because Jim Boeheim didn’t just weigh in on the coaching search debate… He went straight at the skeptics. Appearing on Chris Russo’s SiriusXM show, Boeheim was asked about a growing sentiment among...

orangefizz.net

What a dunce. Ruined his program and continues to dig the hole deeper. GO AWAY

 

[AZOrange]

They have a much more successful alumni base that stays involved with their school for starters. I suspect there's a lot more to the just three guys that were named in the WSJ story too. There's a reason it's secret and I suspect there's a bunch more folks involved. I have to imagine they all own/run businesses where having Duke basketball players show up to internal events or dinners with clients is worth it too. You get 10 who are willing to give $1M a year or 20 at 500k a year and you get dinners with the coach, private things with players...probably half are in NYC/Silicon Valley and a smaller group in the NC area and it sells itself.

Honestly, the "exclusive" part is probably part of the intrigue.

Lots of ways do it. I've seen NYC bars do events with football players from SEC schools because of those alumni bases and collective relationships. I've never see a NYC event for our basketball team tied to promotional NIL stuff. Perhaps they're doing it behind the scenes but given it seems our NIL for basketball has been tied to just a few individuals and no noticeable marketing deals...I suspect not.

Sorry I didn’t mean how do they fundraise. That part is easy for them. It was administering the crap on the clearinghouse side etc. sounded so cloak and dagger I was wondering if they found a bypass