Coach Search Options after Autry

[jncuse]

I think it all matters how big our NIL package is for a new coach that is not GMac.

The Big 2 factors to me are Compensation and NIL. And there is still some uncertainty on what we can do with those factors.

People have often pushed "BRAND" as a major factor as well. Unfortunately, from my view
a) "Brand" has been lessened in importance in the NIL era.
b) And even it were important, our "Brand" has taken good sized knocks the past 5 and past 10 years.

I guess we will see, and hope I'm wrong. I've ready maybe 50 pages of this thread over various points, so there is things I miss.

 

[mdf5290]

What gets lost in this talk about how big NIL pursue should be is how well a coach motivates his players...How many McDonald's All Americans were on this team this past year? 4-5? As a fan, I'm at a point where I'd rather have "lesser" talent, but who are absolute dogs, and a coach that can motivate them. From what I've seen from Jerrod Calhoun and the St. Louis coach is that their players would die for them. They put them in a position to win, run tremendous offensive sets & are motivated to make stops...Watch the set Calhoun ran with 90 seconds left to seal the game...His best shooter Falsev breaks from the baseline, gets a pick on a curl and hits a 15 foot jumper to seal the game...

What offensive scheme have we actually run as a team? I'd take players that are motivated & maybe are of "Mtn. West, A-10" 3 stars who play well together, and are united under a great coach/motivator...I have nothing against Gerry, but he's still getting his feet wet...Giving him 15 Million dollars versus a guy like Calhoun or Schretz who are winning a lot of games with less should be the move. Instead, we get a circle-j##k nostalgia, "but he's our guy" thing that sets Gerry up for failure if he goes 22-13 every year.

Money helps, but it doesn't equate to actual effort from the athletes & subsequent performance.

 

[pearl31]

the correct basketball hire

Which could very well be, with all of the facts/information in front of them (not in front of us), GMAC

 

[mdf5290]

Julie thought bitty ball with the Boeheim brothers was SU’s best season ever. Could care less what she thinks about who the next coach should be or maybe Buddy is the mystery man. LOL

Jimmy Jr. would be a better pick than Buddy as a coach...Kids got an Ivy League degree in Finance...I suspect he would better suited to be a coach where I think Buddy would excel as an agent.

 

[phil77]

Which could very well be, with all of the facts/information in front of them (not in front of us), GMAC

Everyone is free to believe what they want. If that is what you believe more power to you.

 

[granthath9]

If Josh Schertz actually is who Dasher was hinting at earlier tonight, you have to do EVERYTHING you can to get him here. It’s a no brainer

 

[pearl31]

Everyone is free to believe what they want. If that is what you believe more power to you.

just saying, facts/info could include: significant specified amount of NIL $ for only GMAC while mystery dream coach requires x amount of NIL $ that is simply not there

for example

 

[pokercuse08]

What gets lost in this talk about how big NIL pursue should be is how well a coach motivates his players...How many McDonald's All Americans were on this team this past year? 4-5? As a fan, I'm at a point where I'd rather have "lesser" talent, but who are absolute dogs, and a coach that can motivate them. From what I've seen from Jerrod Calhoun and the St. Louis coach is that their players would die for them. They put them in a position to win, run tremendous offensive sets & are motivated to make stops...Watch the set Calhoun ran with 90 seconds left to seal the game...His best shooter Falsev breaks from the baseline, gets a pick on a curl and hits a 15 foot jumper to seal the game...

What offensive scheme have we actually run as a team? I'd take players that are motivated & maybe are of "Mtn. West, A-10" 3 stars who play well together, and are united under a great coach/motivator...I have nothing against Gerry, but he's still getting his feet wet...Giving him 15 Million dollars versus a guy like Calhoun or Schretz who are winning a lot of games with less should be the move. Instead, we get a circle-j##k nostalgia, "but he's our guy" thing that sets Gerry up for failure if he goes 22-13 every year.

Money helps, but it doesn't equate to actual effort from the athletes & subsequent performance.

There's a tradeoff, but I don't think we can resort to taking 3 stars of A10 quality and expect to get back to where we want. I didn't look at Saint Louis' whole roster, but Avila and Green were 4 stars out of high school, for example.

On the other hand, I agree that I don't want to just put the most talent we can on the floor and have them unmotivated, not playing cohesively, etc. But we need a mix of both.

 

[2B20Again]

I’d still be concerned if the reason for hiring GMac isn’t that they think he’s the best coach, but that he’d provide the most money. I really don’t like the idea that our coaching position is for sale. And money is likely to be a short term boost. If we don’t win, it will dry up quickly. A winning program would provide a continuing source of nil. And anyway, big bucks alone does not guarantee success. Remember Rutgers a couple years ago had 2 of the top 5 draft picks and went 15-17.

They didn’t have GMAC

 

[kidorange]

OK, so circling back to the Thamel report that multiple P5 coaches have reached out to 'Cuse. That's a lot trickier, because it could include people we wouldn't even entertain as candidates. But at the center of the Venn diagram of people who might feasibly reach out who we might be interested in, these are the names that make sense to me:

T.J. Otzelberger
Buzz Williams
Mick Cronin

There are plenty we'd be interested in who I don't think would reach out, and plenty who would reach out who I don't think we'd be interested in.

I'd be thrilled with either Otz or Schertz, and would take both over Gerry. I'd gamble on Gerry over Buzz or Mick.

First and last time I'll ever say this: I absolutely do not want a Buzz

 

[2B20Again]

People disrespect Gerry. They talk about him like he's a kid. He played and coached at the highest level of college basketball for 20 years, won a national championship as a player, went to two Final Fours as an assistant and now as a head coach, with a totally overmatched team, took the #1 team in the country down to the wire. Somehow Schertz and Hodgson are vastly superior. Good coaches, but vastly superior and would coach circles around Gerry? Just like Scheyer did yesterday, right? I'd be perfectly happy with Gerry or Schertz, but Gerry doesn't take a backseat to him.

 

[OrangeFoo]

the real grinders are east coasters at the bar being anti social feinding for tips

You all are forgetting about the boards European contingent. My best work often comes in at 130 am est.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I’ll be honest… my mind says mystery coach the way he has been described. My heart says GMAC… if he gets this ball rolling we have our next hof coach in place for the next 20 years or so. I get that he is unproven at this level, but given the winning he has done his whole life, do people really believe he will fail given time and resources? We have proof he can coach as well. He clearly gets his kids to do what he wants and to play hard and he doesn’t make too many really dumb decisions.

I would take tj over him but not schertz. Again the guy publicly agreed to a contract but then he left himself an out? Is he good enough to pull that kind of behavior? What does that say about his integrity? Sorry, but no thanks. FWIW I suspect because of that factor it ain’t schertz… it’s a lane kiffen move

I hope for a GMAC announcement today or Monday

 

[pokercuse08]

Again the guy publicly agreed to a contract but then he left himself an out? Is he good enough to pull that kind of behavior? What does that say about his integrity? Sorry, but no thanks. FWIW I suspect because of that factor it ain’t schertz… it’s a lane kiffen move

You make a compelling point.

 

[nyucuse]

I’ll be honest… my mind says mystery coach the way he has been described. My heart says GMAC… if he gets this ball rolling we have our next hof coach in place for the next 20 years or so. I get that he is unproven at this level, but given the winning he has done his whole life, do people really believe he will fail given time and resources? We have proof he can coach as well. He clearly gets his kids to do what he wants and to play hard and he doesn’t make too many really dumb decisions.

I would take tj over him but not schertz. Again the guy publicly agreed to a contract but then he left himself an out? Is he good enough to pull that kind of behavior? What does that say about his integrity? Sorry, but no thanks. FWIW I suspect because of that factor it ain’t schertz… it’s a lane kiffen move

I hope for a GMAC announcement today or Monday

No issue with you preferring GMac. But I don't agree with the comments about Schertz' integrity. I'm sure SLU is doing everything imaginable to hold onto him, ie lucrative contract. But he is considering his options. It doesn't seem underhanded. If he has not signed he has not signed. For these coaches a shot at the big leagues (and that may end up being someone else) is the ultimate. He has to position himself for that the best he can. Completely above board in my view.

 

[JOC44]

We're now 16 minutes without a post. I know it's 4:39 am EDT, but doesn't anybody have to get up to pee at night?

 

[themole]

We're now 16 minutes without a post. I know it's 4:39 am EDT, but doesn't anybody have to get up to pee at night?

yes hi i just read a new page and a half lol

 

[OrangeFoo]

No issue with you preferring GMac. But I don't agree with the comments about Schertz' integrity. I'm sure SLU is doing everything imaginable to hold onto him, ie lucrative contract. But he is considering his options. It doesn't seem underhanded. If he has not signed he has not signed. For these coaches a shot at the big leagues (and that may end up being someone else) is the ultimate. He has to position himself for that the best he can. Completely above board in my view.

No no… the public articles said he reached an extension with SLU. Not an agreement in principle. That implies he gave his word and it’s a bunch of reputable news sources who reported it and he never denied it. He backs out now and he’s going back on his word. If he did it to slu why wouldn’t he do it to us in the future. Again, to be clear I don’t think schertz is the mystery guy because of this… but if he was then I don’t want him.

 

[pokercuse08]

No no… the public articles said he reached an extension with SLU. Not an agreement in principle. That implies he gave his word and it’s a bunch of reputable news sources who reported it and he never denied it. He backs out now and he’s going back on his word. If he did it to slu why wouldn’t he do it to us in the future. Again, to be clear I don’t think schertz is the mystery guy because of this… but if he was then I don’t want him.

The reporting is that they've reached a verbal agreement. For all we know, the agreement is that he'll come back for 6 years and $22 mil and $XX/yr in NIL, unless he gets the UNC or Syracuse job.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I think the

The reporting is that they've reached a verbal agreement. For all we know, the agreement is that he'll come back for 6 years and $22 mil and $XX/yr in NIL, unless he gets the UNC or Syracuse job

Why would he sign that knowing the Syracuse job would be open

 

[Orangefan1]

I think the

Why would he sign that knowing the Syracuse job would be open

I agree something doesn’t add up I don’t think it’s him people are talking about

 

[hoopsupstate]

OK, so circling back to the Thamel report that multiple P5 coaches have reached out to 'Cuse. That's a lot trickier, because it could include people we wouldn't even entertain as candidates. But at the center of the Venn diagram of people who might feasibly reach out who we might be interested in, these are the names that make sense to me:

T.J. Otzelberger
Buzz Williams
Mick Cronin

There are plenty we'd be interested in who I don't think would reach out, and plenty who would reach out who I don't think we'd be interested in.

I'd be thrilled with either Otz or Schertz, and would take both over Gerry. I'd gamble on Gerry over Buzz or Mick.

No thank you on Buzz or Cronin. Buzz might actually get thrown out at Maryland and Cronin acts like he always has hemorrhoids.

 

[skeeter223]

I’ll be honest… my mind says mystery coach the way he has been described. My heart says GMAC… if he gets this ball rolling we have our next hof coach in place for the next 20 years or so. I get that he is unproven at this level, but given the winning he has done his whole life, do people really believe he will fail given time and resources? We have proof he can coach as well. He clearly gets his kids to do what he wants and to play hard and he doesn’t make too many really dumb decisions.

I would take tj over him but not schertz. Again the guy publicly agreed to a contract but then he left himself an out? Is he good enough to pull that kind of behavior? What does that say about his integrity? Sorry, but no thanks. FWIW I suspect because of that factor it ain’t schertz… it’s a lane kiffen move

I hope for a GMAC announcement today or Monday

The extension announcement came from the SLU AD-not Schertz.

 

[hoopsupstate]

What gets lost in this talk about how big NIL pursue should be is how well a coach motivates his players...How many McDonald's All Americans were on this team this past year? 4-5? As a fan, I'm at a point where I'd rather have "lesser" talent, but who are absolute dogs, and a coach that can motivate them. From what I've seen from Jerrod Calhoun and the St. Louis coach is that their players would die for them. They put them in a position to win, run tremendous offensive sets & are motivated to make stops...Watch the set Calhoun ran with 90 seconds left to seal the game...His best shooter Falsev breaks from the baseline, gets a pick on a curl and hits a 15 foot jumper to seal the game...

What offensive scheme have we actually run as a team? I'd take players that are motivated & maybe are of "Mtn. West, A-10" 3 stars who play well together, and are united under a great coach/motivator...I have nothing against Gerry, but he's still getting his feet wet...Giving him 15 Million dollars versus a guy like Calhoun or Schretz who are winning a lot of games with less should be the move. Instead, we get a circle-j##k nostalgia, "but he's our guy" thing that sets Gerry up for failure if he goes 22-13 every year.

Money helps, but it doesn't equate to actual effort from the athletes & subsequent performance.

Talent evaluation is probably the most important attribute for a program. Don’t make bad choices and overpay for a portal kid who doesn’t live up to their billing. We’ve seen that in a lot of places. You need to know what kind of player you’re really getting. I think George is a pretty good example of that. Kentucky and Carolina also missed on a few.

 

[hoopsupstate]

No issue with you preferring GMac. But I don't agree with the comments about Schertz' integrity. I'm sure SLU is doing everything imaginable to hold onto him, ie lucrative contract. But he is considering his options. It doesn't seem underhanded. If he has not signed he has not signed. For these coaches a shot at the big leagues (and that may end up being someone else) is the ultimate. He has to position himself for that the best he can. Completely above board in my view.

No one knows what the future is regarding expansion and who’s in and who’s out. Maybe the hoops tournament in the future might only be for power four or less teams. It’s all about positioning and putting yourself in the best possible position. St. Louis is guaranteed nothing in the future. Either is SU unless they get their act together.