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ClamOtto said:
True, Syracuse has great tradition and historical relevance. Also true, that’s ancient history at this point. Not sure anyone cares very much when they’re looking at a job offer.
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Tradition still matters. But the reason we should be able to afford a proven coach is that the ceiling on basketball revenue is tremendous with the Dome and a fan base hungry for a sucessful team again. Our first year in the ACC, we sold well over 20,000 seasons tickets and got massive crowds over 35,000+. No other program can match that. The revenue potential with a renovated Dome alone can help to pay for a proven coach’s salary and give him a bigger staff. And when I say proven, I’m not talking about P5 stars like Danny Hurley or Scott Drew or Rick Barnes, I’m just talking about one of the top guys on the mid major level like Josh Schertz.
 
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CuseMan4 said:
Ehhhh I think we’ll agree to disagree here.
We are a top 10-12 program…still. We aren’t a blue blood but we are tier below.

We have a unique arena that is quite literally one of kind. That’s the fanbase has proved will show up and sell out 35k.

We have a natty and numerous final fours and a bunch of elite 8s and sweet 16s

We have put numerous players in the NBA. Some really good damn players. Numerous hall of famers. We have rich history and tradition

There isn’t anything else going on in Cuse. Cuse basketball IS IT. They are the hot commodity in the winter in upstate NY. You win here and you play here. You are teated like a celebrity

You have the Melo center

The only thing that will hold some coaches back is if they are money hungry. We aren’t gonna pay our head coach like a Kansas, Duke, UNC or Kentucky. We are well in the top half of the league for NIL per Wildhack. And there are some rumors that we spent $9 million on this team. It’s clear we are serious about basketball. We just need a coach. Lastly we can bash this team all we want. I truly think this team is talented. If we had a legit coach, this is an NCAA tourney team that could make a Sweet 16. I still believe that. We just have a completely inept coach. Like a reallllly bad coach lol
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This would be a great post in 2017... ten years later, not so much. Almost none of this matters anymore. Totally different landscape.
 
Sherman20 said:
Tradition still matters. But the reason we should be able to afford a proven coach is that the ceiling on basketball revenue is tremendous with the Dome and a fan base hungry for a sucessful team again. Our first year in the ACC, we sold well over 20,000 seasons tickets and got massive crowds over 35,000+. No other program can match that. The revenue potential with a renovated Dome alone can help to pay for a proven coach’s salary and give him a bigger staff. And when I say proven, I’m not talking about P5 stars like Danny Hurley or Scott Drew or Rick Barnes, I’m just talking about one of the top guys on the mid major level like Josh Schertz.
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We had about 2,000 people at the last game. We're sooooo far away from 35k that anyone considering this job is likely not even considering that as a possibility. I think the damage of letting Boeheim coach 5+ years past his expiration date + forcing a continuity hire is much more significant than the average CNY fans thinks.
 
CuseFaninVT said:
why do people still think this?

We just aren’t. Zero national relevance. Zero recent success. I don’t get it. You all are living in the distant past.
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We are down but not out. Syracuse hoops matters. Our identity nationally is an eastern power. Eyeballs always follow us. We aren’t duke but we are the most importan private school that plays hoops meaningfully north of dc imo

Syracuse still matters. We are UConn when they hired Hurley. Key is hiring a Hurley
 
elimunelson said:
We are down but not out. Syracuse hoops matters. Our identity nationally is an eastern power. Eyeballs always follow us. We aren’t duke but we are the most importan private school that plays hoops meaningfully north of dc imo

Syracuse still matters. We are UConn when they hired Hurley. Key is hiring a Hurley
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It took Hurley his third season to get the Huskies into March Madness too, but different times in college sports.

I think we need to accept that Syracuse basketball isn’t what it used to to be and may take a long time before we can talk about being in the national spotlight
 
Sherman20 said:
I was joking sort of. But I also think you’re being “massively” hyperbolic with your assertion that SU fans “massively overrate the program.” If Vanderbilt can get their team into the top 25 with the right coach, if Nebraska can surge after decades of futility, if UConn can come back after the depths of the Kevin Ollie scandal when their football program wasn’t even in a P5 conference, then Syracuse certainly can get the basketball program back to being a top 25 force. If Indiana football can win after decades of futility, we can certainly win in basketball.
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Syracuse’s past success is a detriment to hiring a coach right now. It’s far enough in the past a coach cannot leverage it (like UConn could), it’s recent enough that fans still expect that level of success immediately. That wasn’t an issue at Nebraska or Vandy.

If I was one of the top coaches available this offseason - Syracuse would be way down the list of schools I’d have interest in. LSU might be the one I’d jump at first, they have huge upside and fairly reasonable fan expectations.
 
SwagSocks said:
It took Hurley his third season to get the Huskies into March Madness too, but different times in college sports.

I think we need to accept that Syracuse basketball isn’t what it used to to be and may take a long time before we can talk about being in the national spotlight
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Can you imagine the reaction in Syracuse if the next guy isn’t in the NCAAs in his first two seasons? It’s a big part of why I think ours fans overrate this job. It looks like a low opportunity for success, high likelihood of being a career killer job right now.
 
Syracuse historically is a renowned program... but recently/currently ...NO.
2019 was the dome attendance record of 35,642. We haven't attained 30K in going on 4 years.
You watch the home games and attendance has become brutally bad. Recruiting?? Of the 17 ACC teams,
only 4 have no recruits. CUSE being 1. The AD is jumping ship. The road back to Syracuse being a highly respected program is long and steep...
The selection of a new AD and bball coach will tell us alot.
 
I think we can be pretty delusional. How many first year coaches get their teams into the NCAA’s their first year? Last year major universities like Miami, Fla St, Maryland, Indiana, Utah, Texas, Xavier, Villanova, Auburn, Iowa, NC St, Virginia and W Virginia all hired new coaches. What are the odds that all these programs with new coaches make the NCAA’s in their first year?
 
Goin' Deep said:
Syracuse historically is a renowned program... but recently/currently ...NO.
2019 was the dome attendance record of 35,642. We haven't attained 30K in going on 4 years.
You watch the home games and attendance has become brutally bad. Recruiting?? Of the 17 ACC teams,
only 4 have no recruits. CUSE being 1. The AD is jumping ship. The road back to Syracuse being a highly respected program is long and steep...
The selection of a new AD and bball coach will tell us alot.
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No school with a coach on the hot seat has recruits. That doesn’t tell us anything. We did have a top 20 class last year though.
 
TinyManInside said:
We had about 2,000 people at the last game. We're sooooo far away from 35k that anyone considering this job is likely not even considering that as a possibility. I think the damage of letting Boeheim coach 5+ years past his expiration date + forcing a continuity hire is much more significant than the average CNY fans thinks.
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There were more than 2,000 people in the Dome Wednesday night. Not close to the number of tix sold but not 2,000.
 
Cheriehoop said:
I think we are pretty delusional. How many first year coaches get their teams into the NCAA’s their first year? Last year major universities like Miami, Fla St, Maryland, Indiana, Utah, Texas, Xavier, Villanova, Auburn, Iowa, NC St, Virginia and W Virginia all hired new coaches. What are the odds that all these programs with new coaches make the NCAA’s in their first year?
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Quick look at that list and I say over half will make it in their first year.
 
Fat tire 13 said:
My beef is mainly we are punching below our weight, as the saying goes

Even using your less optimistic numbers.. we are 10th in ACC (likely worse by end of season) and 70th in KenPom. Coaching and player development are a big part of that

Top 10 is a reach. I agree there. I bet if we punch above our weight, there is potential to bump up the NIL.

Even making the tourney almost every year and being ranked more than half the time would be a drastic improvement over the past 5-10 years here
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That I 100% agree with on kenpom and underperformance. Why I wanted Autry canned at year end after Hofstra and was willing to part with him even sooner after the BC collapse. Expect most feel the same.
 
Cusefan95 said:
Can you imagine the reaction in Syracuse if the next guy isn’t in the NCAAs in his first two seasons? It’s a big part of why I think ours fans overrate this job. It looks like a low opportunity for success, high likelihood of being a career killer job right now.
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I don't agree. I think what we want to see is a coach who can actually coach and the team making progress toward being a winning and tournament team. The past 3 years has been a waste. It turned out to be a bad choice and we have to just move on. Nothing is impossible.
 
Cusefan95 said:
Can you imagine the reaction in Syracuse if the next guy isn’t in the NCAAs in his first two seasons? It’s a big part of why I think ours fans overrate this job. It looks like a low opportunity for success, high likelihood of being a career killer job right now.
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Red went 14-19 in year 2 and still got a 3rd season. This isn't Kentucky.
 
Sherman20 said:
Chat GPT?!? Bwhahahaha. You gotta be kidding me. Everything you’re saying here is way off.
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By all means correct me with your data.

-$EC 12-15 teams outspending us
-B$G 12-15 teams outspending us
-ACC 6-8 teams outspending us
-BigEast 2-3 teams outspending us

That's 32-40ish teams right there.

Even beyond player NIL, I look at our staff and see a rec league basketball crew.
 
RedtheGOB said:
By all means correct me with your data.

-$EC 12-15 teams outspending us
-B$G 12-15 teams outspending us
-ACC 6-8 teams outspending us
-BigEast 2-3 teams outspending us

That's 32-40ish teams right there.

Even beyond player NIL, I look at our staff and see a rec league basketball crew.
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Chap GPT is exaggerating NIL spend. The Big doesn't have that many teams outspending us in basketball. I've done enough research on that side. Wisconsin and Iowa have virtually no money and are winning in that conference.

Also we are doing this stupidly. Wisconsin signed a deal with UA to get NIL money for athletes. Meanwhile we are beholden to Nike doing nothing for us.

Again this is pointless and an excuse for this year. They had the players at the start of the season.
 
I'm going phrase the NIL discussion another way. I'm of the opinion that the $'s really don't matter at this point because we are competing against other programs for players in an uncapped market.

We can all sit here and be like WOW 7-9 mil is a ton of money for CNY and that means we should be ranked and be making sweet 16's. Make the tourney yes but I don't think ranked consistently or even being a solid performer in the tourney is in the cards for us where we stand now. To me it appears we will never outspend at least 25 to 30 of the teams in D1 because as soon as they see us creeping up behind them to match what they're paying, they will just throw more chips in the pot to get the top players anyway.

Let's just say we go crazy and are willing to spend 12 or 15 mil on a roster next year on players to get the new coach a leg ups, Duke/UNC/UVA/NCState/Miami will just put up however million more it takes to get the players they want anyway. In 2021 the top hoops NIL deals were around 300K, it's 5 years later and it's 4.2 Mil.

The millions don't matter to them, there's always more. We're in an arms race and don't have the guns right now.

Maybe if we can get some corporate whales and new leaderships says you know what we want to compete with the top 5 in the ACC for money, but from what I hear from the insiders that hasn't been the goal and doesn't appear to be changing from being a 2nd tier ACC team.
 
Goin' Deep said:
PITT has a coach on the hot seat...they have 3 recruits currently.
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And if Capel gets fired they will get released from their scholarship and won’t go there. Pitt also likely doesn’t have the money to pay his buyout so jokes on them.
 

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