Coaching Candidates (My List)

[RF2044]

For me I want Cuse to be like Marquette and (hopefully) Michigan State. Both have veteran teams of guys they signed, developed, and they stayed.

Maybe you augment it here and there but I do feel even in the NIL age you need a core of multi-year program guys.

Agreed.

But then you need a system, and you have to recruit to that system, and have a coaching staff that develops players. And NIL goes toward taking care of your players, so they stay. And then you supplement with good system fits.

That's a winning approach, that doesn't require $6M NIL coffers just to be competitive.

The fallacy is that you need a huge NIL bank, that you're going to win consistently just by trying to swing for the fences every year, replacing huge chunks of the roster via the Portal, and that you as a program "can't" be competitive unless you have an NIL coffer the likes of which SEC programs have.

Hell, they sicken me, but look at uconn. They built the core, and they supplement the core. And they are back-2-back.

You need a good coach. You need a good system. And you need recruits to fit what you're trying to do. And then, after all that, you need NIL to keep players in-house, and to supplement your roster with CHOICEFUL portal additions.

What are we trying to do?

 

[kingtidge]

What are we trying to do?

Not sure, but if ever there needed to be a post-season statement of intent from the powers that be in the program, the end of this season would be that time.

 

[RF2044]

Not sure, but if ever there needed to be a post-season statement of intent from the powers that be in the program, the end of this season would be that time.

Instead, we have a segment of posters talking about growing NIL, and that Red can't be successful until... [reasons], always pointing to some external factor to buy him a longer grace period.

Sure, we need more resources. Just like most other programs do. But the product on the court can't be magically solved by NIL / portal alone, because we get outbid in the portal most times anyway.

Before NIL / portal, we rarely were able to go toe-to-toe with blue chip programs anyway. So, JB compensated by having a system and bringing in good players who fit his system.

I can't even tell you what our system is currently, on either side of the ball.

 

[Sherman20]

Yeah, I think this is a lot of board wishful thinking. No one was saving the day in 2023 or 2024, but they're going to donate in 2025 and make everything awesome again? How is that sustainable? Is funding dependent on Kiyan starting and playing big minutes? What if he's not particularly good as a frosh? What about in 2026? 2027? Is he a guaranteed starter til he graduates?

I don't see how a 1-off year with a bunch of FAs playing playground ball with a couple of freshmen is going to move the needle much.

I don’t read it as wishful thinking. I see board insiders, more than a few, saying that Melo will help boost our NIL, and it sounds like there are other promising developments. Maybe it’s not worth the short term infusion of cash if we have to retain the staff for another year, but I don’t get the sense it’s bluster.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

I can't even tell you what our system is currently, on either side of the ball.

That's what kills me. There is no identity whatsoever, and that has nothing to do with NIL or recruiting misses.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I see board insiders, more than a few, saying that Melo will help boost our NIL, and it sounds like there are other promising developments.

People are saying ... these are rumors and I don't see how any of it translates to sustained success.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

I don’t read it as wishful thinking. I see board insiders, more than a few, saying that Melo will help boost our NIL, and it sounds like there are other promising developments. Maybe it’s not worth the short term infusion of cash if we have to retain the staff for another year, but I don’t get the sense it’s bluster.

It's logical to think that Melo will want his son surrounded by a strong cast... but if so, that should start with the head coach. Otherwise, the other pieces matter a lot less.

Despite the excuses from the loyalists, the team doesn't suck due to lack of cash.

 

[phil77]

Despite the excuses from the loyalists, the team doesn't suck due to lack of cash.

Correct

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

It's all about asses in seats. Giant Kardashian asses.

Good thing we got the bigger seats

 

[M2MPrinciples]

Hey, if someone wants to convince Kim Kardashian to give us enough money to make Ohio State football look like the Oakland/Sacramento/Las Vegas A's who are we to say no?

 

[kingtidge]

Hey, if someone wants to convince Kim Kardashian to give us enough money to make Ohio State football look like the Oakland/Sacramento/Las Vegas A's who are we to say no?

Let's all get butt implants too...

You first.

 

[DilemaCuse]

So let's say Melo pumps in a bunch of money and it lands quality out of the portal...we're essentially pushing the chips to the center of the table and if it fails it will fail spectacularly. There is no going back to Red for year 4 and then whether it works or not, is Melo doing this every year? Point is, it's not sustainable if the coach doesn't have a foundation, stability, culture, system.

 

[IthacaMatt]

What's depressing is that even if they get talent, I don't think it will be utilized effectively. I used to scoff at posters saying our "success" last year was only due to Mintz, Copeland, et al. going off script. Now I think they might be right.

Kind of hard to believe, but it certainly looks like it.

 

[IthacaMatt]

So let's say Melo pumps in a bunch of money and it lands quality out of the portal...we're essentially pushing the chips to the center of the table and if it fails it will fail spectacularly. There is no going back to Red for year 4 and then whether it works or not, is Melo doing this every year? Point is, it's not sustainable if the coach doesn't have a foundation, stability, culture, system.

We only get one shot with Kiyan; don't kid yourself.
If Red is the coach next year, and we win 15 games, everyone will be gone.

 

[miamicuse]

Good thing we got the bigger seats

That's our ticket back to ESPN Big Monday.

 

[Orangefizz]

So let's say Melo pumps in a bunch of money and it lands quality out of the portal...we're essentially pushing the chips to the center of the table and if it fails it will fail spectacularly. There is no going back to Red for year 4 and then whether it works or not, is Melo doing this every year? Point is, it's not sustainable if the coach doesn't have a foundation, stability, culture, system.

We have the Orange Standard; that’s Red’s system, culture and foundation.

It’s the same as Dino‘s “belief without evidence”.

Total nonsense