Coastal in ACC Championship

[OrangeCrush22]

Virginia Tech and especially Miami have to return to national relevancy. The divisions would be much better balanced if that were the case.

 

[TerryD]

ND has to go undefeated to overcome their lack of a 13th game. They did that this year. If they had 1 loss, they’d be well behind Ohio St, Oklahoma, and maybe Georgia.

They deserve to be in this year.

But the thing they signed up for is undefeated or bust to maintain independence. It makes zero sense to outsiders but some sense to the very weird world of ND boosters

It isn't really a total football or sports decision. ND sees and sells itself as the national Catholic university and thinks being a football independent and playing all over the country helps advertise the school to prospective students everywhere. It also likes to play all over for the benefit of ND alumni and fans all over the country.

This season, ND played in San Diego, Los Angeles, Chicago and New York City, among other places.

It likes the scheduling flexibility to do so and thinks conference membership restricts its ability to play in big cities all over the country.

ND understands that, most years, a one loss ND team will not likely make the playoffs. It is ok with that and sees it merely as the price of doing business as a football independent.

 

[Cusefan95]

It isn't really a total football or sports decision. ND sees and sells itself as the national Catholic university and thinks being a football independent and playing all over the country helps advertise the school to prospective students everywhere. It also likes to play all over for the benefit of ND alumni and fans all over the country.

This season, ND played in San Diego, Los Angeles, Chicago and New York City, among other places.

It likes the scheduling flexibility to do so and thinks conference membership restricts its ability to play in big cities all over the country.

ND understands that, most years, a one loss ND team will not likely make the playoffs. It is ok with that and sees it merely as the price of doing business as a football independent.

I think another underappriciated aspect of Notre Dame’s position is due to either an ignorance of history, or lack of appreciation for its significance.

Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten in the 1920’s, but were blocked largely due to strong anti-Catholic bias (led by Yost at Michigan and Stagg at Chicago). Many of the Big Ten schools - that would have made more sense geographically - refused to schedule Notre Dame over what they called eligibility concerns, but that Notre Dame felt (with some justification) was thinly veiled bigotry.

Those decisions partly forced Notre Dame to play a national schedule, which helped turn them into a national program. So some of Notre Dame’s insistence on football independence is because it’s a giant “**** You” to the prejudice which helped keep them out of the Big Ten a century ago.

It’s unrealistic to say they should just accept it’s a new time and move on; I could make comparisons that would devolve this into a political thread, so I’ll avoid that and just say it isn’t arrogance which drives Notre Dame’s desire to remain independent.

 

[TheCusian]

It isn't really a total football or sports decision. ND sees and sells itself as the national Catholic university and thinks being a football independent and playing all over the country helps advertise the school to prospective students everywhere. It also likes to play all over for the benefit of ND alumni and fans all over the country.

This season, ND played in San Diego, Los Angeles, Chicago and New York City, among other places.

It likes the scheduling flexibility to do so and thinks conference membership restricts its ability to play in big cities all over the country.

ND understands that, most years, a one loss ND team will not likely make the playoffs. It is ok with that and sees it merely as the price of doing business as a football independent.

Yeah, what I said.

The truth is that ND *could* join the ACC and still get to both coasts rather easily, every year. Make USC your OOC for rival week. Add another shamrock game at a nuteral field against a name opponent wherever you want. Play a FBS gimme at home like ya do. 1 more game to play with.

4 OOC games is plenty to get around the country to fulfill the mission.

You’d be treated well scheduling wise within the ACC. You’d be in the top 2 or 3 as far as clout.

It’s just tradition. Which almost always loses to practicality and $ eventually.

 

[TheCusian]

I think another underappriciated aspect of Notre Dame’s position is due to either an ignorance of history, or lack of appreciation for its significance.

Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten in the 1920’s, but were blocked largely due to strong anti-Catholic bias (led by Yost at Michigan and Stagg at Chicago). Many of the Big Ten schools - that would have made more sense geographically - refused to schedule Notre Dame over what they called eligibility concerns, but that Notre Dame felt (with some justification) was thinly veiled bigotry.

Those decisions partly forced Notre Dame to play a national schedule, which helped turn them into a national program. So some of Notre Dame’s insistence on football independence is because it’s a giant “**** You” to the prejudice which helped keep them out of the Big Ten a century ago.

It’s unrealistic to say they should just accept it’s a new time and move on; I could make comparisons that would devolve this into a political thread, so I’ll avoid that and just say it isn’t arrogance which drives Notre Dame’s desire to remain independent.

Yep. Tradition. Even tradition built on century old vendettas will eventually give way to practicality and $.

Plus, the ACC has no anti-catholic bias that I’m aware of.

 

[Cusefan95]

It’s just tradition. Which almost always loses to practicality and $ eventually.

1) It would require Notre Dame to be losing out financially with the current arrangement. That isn’t even close to happening (or happening to a degree they would consider substantial enough to abandon tradition). It’s also highly unlikely to occur any time soon, and the changes people propose to try to induce it are not going to happen.

2) “It’s just tradition” has been fatal words throughout history; people will defend - sometimes to the death - their ability to honor traditions. It’s highly unlikely that college football would lead to that outcome...but your lack of appreciation for the significance of tradition is concerning.