Colgate Post-Game

[All4SU]

For those of us that were at the game and couldn’t watch, what was the “illegal formation” penalty on SU’s punt return squad? I’ve never seen that before.

 

[Tank19]

For those of us that were at the game and couldn’t watch, what was the “illegal formation” penalty on SU’s punt return squad? I’ve never seen that before.

I believe it was for having someone lined up over the long snapper when the ball was snapped

 

[cusefan88]

The two true freshman OL (Mack and Bass) have excellent size already. Looking forward to seeing them down the road.

 

[Orangello]

For those of us that were at the game and couldn’t watch, what was the “illegal formation” penalty on SU’s punt return squad? I’ve never seen that before.

I believe we had 7 lined up on the left side of the line of scrimmage

 

[All4SU]

I believe we had 7 lined up on the left side of the line of scrimmage

 

[GoSU96]

For those of us that were at the game and couldn’t watch, what was the “illegal formation” penalty on SU’s punt return squad? I’ve never seen that before.

Can’t line up over the center

 

[Scooch]

He went through his progressions all game. I thought Shrader was great.

He was explicitly told to hand off in the read option game. He made one poor throw to Gadsen that should have been PI, and that pick was on Price, who ran the wrong route.

He’s not going to be the number 1 pick in the draft, but he’s a very effective collegiate QB who is probably under appreciated by this board.

He’s essentially the Scoop Jardine of a use QB’s to be honest.

Great insight. This is why it’s so damn difficult for fans to assess football player performance. We just don’t know so much, be it gameplan, assignments, routes, scheme, etc.

No other sport is as inscrutable by merely watching the live game.

 

[AZOrange]

There are definitely bright spots, don't want to be overly pessimistic. Defense looks legit with significant depth across the front seven and lots of promising young players. Allen is definitely an exciting player with a lot of upside and we have a serious group of receivers this year. Also Reed was really impressive and is going to be key going forward.

List of concerns with the offensive line and quarterback play is long. 4 ol were not dressed for the game, 2 of them on the 2-deep... how does that happen? This is a pettern now...really bewildering and concerning. Bleich is still wildly inconsistent and the right side of the line struggled early in pass protection and if their play in the run game continues at a similar level, it's going to be a long season. I love Shrader's competitiveness and his feel in the pocket and ability to create with his legs are truly special. But it's so frustrating to watch him repeat the same bad habits. This is the game to stay on your 1st read and focus on the fundamentals of dropping back, setting your feet and delivering the ball on time and in rhythm. Instead, he continues to come off his read, sometimes he would flippantly look to his second but it was clear his security blanket was Gadsden, and even then, what he's really comfortable doing is running the ball. You could literally pick any receiver today before the snap, check the safety and throw the ball to leverage and it would have been a good day. Then throw in things like the throw on the pick (speechless!), consistently showing a lack of understanding velocity (I refuse to accept the narrative that this is an ability limitation with Shrader, with Dungey I think they was some credence to that argument, Shrader has shown he can throw the ball hard, he just clearly doesn't like to), and just not making automatic easy throws (when the post safety is isolated and let's the receiver cross his face this is an automatic throw). The talent disparity was such today that it didn't matter, but I have a hard time believing any of that is going to fly against opponents where we are more evenly matched.

Maybe I'm being overly critical or getting hung up on little details that don't matter against a clearly outmatched opponent. Maybe it is just rust from a subdued training camp for a veteran player recovering from injury. We did win 65-0 after all, can't ignore that.

There is a lot of truth here. Shraders arm strength is fine otherwise he couldn’t throw a decent deep ball which he does. His big issue is timing. He is a beat or beat and a half late and it throws things off. He reminds me a bit of Jimmy Garrapolo in that respect. We had a drive or two early second half when he just went first read and looked nearly unstoppable. It’s when he comes off that that it starts to break down (unless he hits a safety valve). As my coach used to say “first read is usually best read”.

 

[AZOrange]

He went through his progressions all game. I thought Shrader was great.

He was explicitly told to hand off in the read option game. He made one poor throw to Gadsen that should have been PI, and that pick was on Price, who ran the wrong route.

He’s not going to be the number 1 pick in the draft, but he’s a very effective collegiate QB who is probably under appreciated by this board.

He’s essentially the Scoop Jardine of a use QB’s to be honest.

Lot of truth here too

 

[AZOrange]

Great insight. This is why it’s so damn difficult for fans to assess football player performance. We just don’t know so much, be it gameplan, assignments, routes, scheme, etc.

No other sport is as inscrutable by merely watching the live game.

And no position subject to arm chair review more than QB the one position completely reliant on everyone else doing something perfectly. I guarantee the INT was a missed route or something.

 

[Crusty]

I'm a big Del-Rio Wilson fan. He has a great arm. I think he's going to be very good in 2024.

I had my doubts but I was impressed with him yesterday. Rooting for him, of course.

 

[Scooch]

And no position subject to arm chair review more than QB the one position completely reliant on everyone else doing something perfectly. I guarantee the INT was a missed route or something.

And that’s why SU always fares best when they have a QB who can improvise with his legs. We never have an OL that can impose their will.

Forget his arm, if Shrader can keep his legs healthy this season then we could be OK. His lack of mobility in the second half of last season really killed us.

 

[SU91]

There are truths in all of these posts. I was hoping to see real improvement in Shrader’s game. We didn’t see it yesterday, but there’s still time for him to up his game. And, even if he remains the Shrader we’ve seen before, he’s still a serviceable QB. BUT, the offensive line, well, we should all be concerned….

 

[shu 49]

I think the wide receiver group is significantly more talented than we realize.

I do too without a doubt.

 

[tbonezone]

Shredder handles himself well in front of the MIC.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

I do too without a doubt.

We don't need A "second WR target" because we have MANY who are entirely capable of providing same.

 

[Crusty]

And that’s why SU always fares best when they have a QB who can improvise with his legs. We never have an OL that can impose their will.

Forget his arm, if Shrader can keep his legs healthy this season then we could be OK. His lack of mobility in the second half of last season really killed us.

That was really obvious in the Pinstripe Bowl. When I re-watched the game I was surprised with his lack of mobility. His arm was obviously injured as well. I think a healthy GS will be huge.

 

[Cuseregular]

There are truths in all of these posts. I was hoping to see real improvement in Shrader’s game. We didn’t see it yesterday, but there’s still time for him to up his game. And, even if he remains the Shrader we’ve seen before, he’s still a serviceable QB. BUT, the offensive line, well, we should all be concerned….

The OL is a forever problem here, the good news is that this “problem” situation is the least problematic it’s been in a long time

 

[Ozone!]

 

[Finwad32]

WR corps look very strong. We’re big and fast there with a lot of talent.

I think we’ll see more RB’s getting carries this year, and that’s fine, they looked capable. LA looks good, a little too upright for my liking but he’s got the wiggle and explosiveness to make it work.

Other than Shrader locking on his favorites a little too often for my liking, he performed well. I think his shoulder/arm/elbow whatever has more of a story to it than we know. He worked through progressions yesterday and extended plays. CDRW played the best I’ve seen him play in Orange. Good for him, because I wasn’t sold. I don’t think he’s very agile, but he can certainly spin the rock. He improves his placement of some balls and he’s flawless yesterday.

We wouldn’t need to extend plays at the QB position if we were a little stronger at the point of attack. I think we’re going to have to help the OL a bit in tougher games. RPO, misdirection, rollouts and play action. I hope they settle in.

Defense was smothering, as they should’ve been. I’m interested to see our secondary when a QB has time to set up, which they didn’t yesterday. But Rocky’s going to make that very difficult with a fast and physical defense that likes to bring pressure. We’ve been spoiled on D for awhile. And I’m glad that we’ve got pieces on the other units to compliment that. Like…

Punter… Stonehouse, if consistent, will prove very valuable. Syracuse should always have top tier Specialists because we play in a Dome. No better recruiting tool for a K/P.

Denaburg has a rocket of a leg. Kickoffs routinely out of the end zone is good for us. Little squirley on a couple of XP’s yesterday, so I hope he gets comfortable. I don’t think range will be any type of an issue for him if we need 3, but the accuracy remains to be seen.

I realize it was Colgate, but outside of the early penalties that’s about as good of a performance as you can ask for. I don’t think Beck got away from the base offense all day, didn’t need to. He’s got tricks up there, and we’re going to be tough to defend when that playbook opens up.

 

[SU91]

The OL is a forever problem here, the good news is that this “problem” situation is the least problematic it’s been in a long time

100%, except I’m not so sure what we saw yesterday isn’t a big problem. Next week will give us more info and if not next week, definitely the week thereafter. More was held out, so maybe that disrupted things. Time will tell. Hopefully they gel. If we played a better team last night, we might be having a different conversation this morning. That’s why it’s great that we have this ramp up schedule. I’m going to stay concerned until I see them play well.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Interesting that there were no passes to LaQuint Allen.

Yeah, I expect that to be a big part of the offense and we got away with not showing that.

 

[XC Cuse]

The OL is a forever problem here, the good news is that this “problem” situation is the least problematic it’s been in a long time

I looked through the years, and running against FCS teams. We never straight up dominated the run game. Even in 2018 Dungey was leading rusher vs Wagner and 2017 he was as well. 2019 we ran for less than 4 yards a carry vs Holy Cross. The only two years we had a better ypc vs FCS teams was 2021 when Tucker was borderline unstoppable, and last year, which in big part was the result of Lequint having a 90 yard run. This line looks adequate, it settled in, and should improve with game reps, and More returning from injury. Gotta remember it's basically new across the board in their current position.

 

[Crusty]

They say the most improvement is from game 1 to game 2. If this is true, we should learn a great deal from the Broncos game.

Given the newness of the OLine, I look to see what they really are next week.

 

[shu 49]

We don't need A "second WR target" because we have MANY who are entirely capable of providing same.

Might be our best group