Colgate Post-Game

[SUFan44]

He went through his progressions all game. I thought Shrader was great.

He was explicitly told to hand off in the read option game. He made one poor throw to Gadsen that should have been PI, and that pick was on Price, who ran the wrong route.

He’s not going to be the number 1 pick in the draft, but he’s a very effective collegiate QB who is probably under appreciated by this board.

He’s essentially the Scoop Jardine of a use QB’s to be honest.

I appreciate your perspective and think Shrader has shown that he can be an effective QB.

However, I do think the criticism of his play at times yesterday is valid. Colgate will be lucky to win 3 games at three levels below SU. They’re bad.

There were a number of throws, specifically on the quick outs and bubble screens, that his timing, accuracy and velocity left a lot to be desired. There was one to Donovan Brown that would have left Brown in a lot of trouble against any decent competition.

He missed badly on the Gadsden seam/skinny post route, and also missed a bunch of check downs that would have given our skill position players (who I think are very good) a chance to break one. Instead, he chose to run - which is fine I guess. But I just don’t think he is an intuitive QB with instincts, or a very good reader of defenses.

Again, I am not the end all, be all, and I do think the ability is there - we have seen it. I just was expecting yesterday to be much better. For me, it left a lot to be desired, despite the score.

 

[Nahson]

I'm a big Del-Rio Wilson fan. He has a great arm. I think he's going to be very good in 2024.

I was going to mention this. Having another year to bake in the oven is perfect, he has some things to clean up. However, his throws have a lot of zip and has a good mix of athleticism.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[smartman]

Lots of talk on Shrader and the OL. Wonder if the staff told Shrader and Gadsen to take it easy a bit. Shrader missed a couple early but hoping it’s more shaking off rust. I don’t think he practiced much and still had a monster game. If we get first half of 2022 Shafer, we will be a tough out.

Agree OL should have given a bit more push and time in the pocket but still good enough for 8 offensive TDs. A lot of new faces so wonder how much it us how they play as a unit together vs individual talent. Who looked good and who looked bad individually? FWIW depth on the OL seems a lot better.

 

[ECE '76]

My favorite video of yesterday's game:

 

[IthacaMatt]

For those of us that were at the game and couldn’t watch, what was the “illegal formation” penalty on SU’s punt return squad? I’ve never seen that before.

I was saying to my friend Sean, "how is that even possible?" There is no requirement of how many defenders have to be on the line. Either they were lined up offside, or they weren't, and then "Illegal formation" is not what you call it as a ref.

 

[ECE '76]

And that’s why SU always fares best when they have a QB who can improvise with his legs. We never have an OL that can impose their will.

Exception to the rule: the Doug Marrone years. He built a solid OL. And his QB didn't/couldn't run. Nassib also played every game for 3 seasons and was still standing on the last day.

I'd also have to say in 1988, Todd Philcox didn't need to run. That team flat out kicked a$$.

I was very curious to see what our new OL coach, Steve Farmer, would put out there. Not sure we saw evidence of anything much different.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I'm a big Del-Rio Wilson fan. He has a great arm. I think he's going to be very good in 2024.

He needs to prove a lot more to me after the Pitt debacle last year. Not taking much from playing Colgate.

 

[JustPherU]

I was saying to my friend Sean, "how is that even possible?" There is no requirement of how many defenders have to be on the line. Either they were lined up offside, or they weren't, and then "Illegal formation" is not what you call it as a ref.

Can’t line up over the snapper

 

[IthacaMatt]

We don't need A "second WR target" because we have MANY who are entirely capable of providing same.

We just need them to be consistent. We had 5 different guys catch 3 or more passes yesterday. We need at least 3 of them to do that every game.

 

[All4SU]

I was saying to my friend Sean, "how is that even possible?" There is no requirement of how many defenders have to be on the line. Either they were lined up offside, or they weren't, and then "Illegal formation" is not what you call it as a ref.

I appreciate those football knowledge guys and women here who know that you can’t line up over the snapper. I guess I have heard that before, but forgot all about it. Anyway, it appears that is the answer. Luckily it sounds like a player mistake and an easy fix.

 

[Lukeyloo]

I know it was not only Colgate, but Colgate’s backups, but I like the backup RB Escobar. He performed well in the spring game as well for a better measure of his abilities. He runs hard and has good vision. I believe he’s still a walk-on but I’d like to see him bumped up from the 4th string.

 

[Scooch]

Exception to the rule: the Doug Marrone years. He built a solid OL. And his QB didn't/couldn't run. Nassib also played every game for 3 seasons and was still standing on the last day.

I'd also have to say in 1988, Todd Philcox didn't need to run. That team flat out kicked a$$.

I was very curious to see what our new OL coach, Steve Farmer, would put out there. Not sure we saw evidence of anything much different.

Sure, but we really only had one very good year under Marrone. And arguably that was actually a very, very good half season.

Given that I feel pretty comfortable saying we need a mobile QB to be successful. The late October/November 2012 exception proves the rule to me.

 

[Xanadu]

Was hoping Ingraham would have been more dominate, since he came from Alabama. He played a lot of minutes in the second half. The good news is that the D line looked really good stuffing the run.

He's not going to be a dominant force inside for us because the speed just is not there. He did a great job of eating double teams and stuffing the run game. I think that's the role they have in mind for him. Darton is there for the pass rush and Ingraham is there in run heavy sets. Fuentes is the more balanced option in a change up.

 

[kcsu]

WR corps look very strong. We’re big and fast there with a lot of talent.

I think we’ll see more RB’s getting carries this year, and that’s fine, they looked capable. LA looks good, a little too upright for my liking but he’s got the wiggle and explosiveness to make it work.

Other than Shrader locking on his favorites a little too often for my liking, he performed well. I think his shoulder/arm/elbow whatever has more of a story to it than we know. He worked through progressions yesterday and extended plays. CDRW played the best I’ve seen him play in Orange. Good for him, because I wasn’t sold. I don’t think he’s very agile, but he can certainly spin the rock. He improves his placement of some balls and he’s flawless yesterday.

We wouldn’t need to extend plays at the QB position if we were a little stronger at the point of attack. I think we’re going to have to help the OL a bit in tougher games. RPO, misdirection, rollouts and play action. I hope they settle in.

Defense was smothering, as they should’ve been. I’m interested to see our secondary when a QB has time to set up, which they didn’t yesterday. But Rocky’s going to make that very difficult with a fast and physical defense that likes to bring pressure. We’ve been spoiled on D for awhile. And I’m glad that we’ve got pieces on the other units to compliment that. Like…

Punter… Stonehouse, if consistent, will prove very valuable. Syracuse should always have top tier Specialists because we play in a Dome. No better recruiting tool for a K/P.

Denaburg has a rocket of a leg. Kickoffs routinely out of the end zone is good for us. Little squirley on a couple of XP’s yesterday, so I hope he gets comfortable. I don’t think range will be any type of an issue for him if we need 3, but the accuracy remains to be seen.

I realize it was Colgate, but outside of the early penalties that’s about as good of a performance as you can ask for. I don’t think Beck got away from the base offense all day, didn’t need to. He’s got tricks up there, and we’re going to be tough to defend when that playbook opens up.

Shrader was off. Rusty, Arm, who knows but he floated every pass over 20 yards. Against good teams he is going to either get picked or get the guys killed. Beck is smart and I'm sure will try and scheme around the issues. I found it interesting that when Carlos was in the length of wr breaks routes was increased by about 10 yards. Kid has a gun and I think we can win with him if Shrader goes down.

 

[MSOrange]

 

[AZOrange]

And that’s why SU always fares best when they have a QB who can improvise with his legs. We never have an OL that can impose their will.

Forget his arm, if Shrader can keep his legs healthy this season then we could be OK. His lack of mobility in the second half of last season really killed us.

I don’t get the o line. The best thing we can do to help them is play with tempo and yet they don’t look trained for that. They looked slooooooow yesterday

 

[MSOrange]

 

[MSOrange]

 

[All4SU]

Who is this?

 

[MSOrange]

Who is this?

A random fan. Just came on my feed since I follow so much Syracuse stuff on X

 

[IthacaMatt]

Shrader was off. Rusty, Arm, who knows but he floated every pass over 20 yards. Against good teams he is going to either get picked or get the guys killed. Beck is smart and I'm sure will try and scheme around the issues. I found it interesting that when Carlos was in the length of wr breaks routes was increased by about 10 yards. Kid has a gun and I think we can win with him if Shrader goes down.

Elbow surgery 5 months ago. Pitch count this summer, and no throwing in Spring Practice while he recuperated.

 

[Xanadu]

WR corps look very strong. We’re big and fast there with a lot of talent.

I think we’ll see more RB’s getting carries this year, and that’s fine, they looked capable. LA looks good, a little too upright for my liking but he’s got the wiggle and explosiveness to make it work.

Other than Shrader locking on his favorites a little too often for my liking, he performed well. I think his shoulder/arm/elbow whatever has more of a story to it than we know. He worked through progressions yesterday and extended plays. CDRW played the best I’ve seen him play in Orange. Good for him, because I wasn’t sold. I don’t think he’s very agile, but he can certainly spin the rock. He improves his placement of some balls and he’s flawless yesterday.

We wouldn’t need to extend plays at the QB position if we were a little stronger at the point of attack. I think we’re going to have to help the OL a bit in tougher games. RPO, misdirection, rollouts and play action. I hope they settle in.

Defense was smothering, as they should’ve been. I’m interested to see our secondary when a QB has time to set up, which they didn’t yesterday. But Rocky’s going to make that very difficult with a fast and physical defense that likes to bring pressure. We’ve been spoiled on D for awhile. And I’m glad that we’ve got pieces on the other units to compliment that. Like…

Punter… Stonehouse, if consistent, will prove very valuable. Syracuse should always have top tier Specialists because we play in a Dome. No better recruiting tool for a K/P.

Denaburg has a rocket of a leg. Kickoffs routinely out of the end zone is good for us. Little squirley on a couple of XP’s yesterday, so I hope he gets comfortable. I don’t think range will be any type of an issue for him if we need 3, but the accuracy remains to be seen.

I realize it was Colgate, but outside of the early penalties that’s about as good of a performance as you can ask for. I don’t think Beck got away from the base offense all day, didn’t need to. He’s got tricks up there, and we’re going to be tough to defend when that playbook opens up.

Great write up. The route trees were very simple and focused on executing fundamentals in blocks, route running, and read progression. I think Beck is not going to start cutting loose until Purdue. We'll get a little more of a glimpse each week though. This game was all about building confidence.

 

[qdawgg]

Who is this?

Charles

 

[Xanadu]

Exception to the rule: the Doug Marrone years. He built a solid OL. And his QB didn't/couldn't run. Nassib also played every game for 3 seasons and was still standing on the last day.

I'd also have to say in 1988, Todd Philcox didn't need to run. That team flat out kicked a$$.

I was very curious to see what our new OL coach, Steve Farmer, would put out there. Not sure we saw evidence of anything much different.

I think the blocking scheme looked quite different from Farmer. It's a zone blocking scheme as opposed to Schmidt's assignment focused scheme. I think it was noticeably better despite the lack of cohesion on the right side due to injuries. Allen and Daniels were able to effectively use their vision to find sealed off holes that were simply never available to Tucker last year. I still have concerns, but I'm optimistic at OL for once. Reed and Cruz are absolute dawgs out there.