Colgate Postgame

[Eric15]

If Autry wants to play a very deep lineup, why not go Arkansas 40 minutes of Hell, or at least 10-15 minutes of Hell? I mean, pretty much everyone on the roster is athletic. We can just sub in and out constantly and try to exhaust the opponent.

 

[OrangeFoo]

JB wanted G-Mac. just saying ‍. but the trade off would’ve been judah and quadir and bell leaving. which was too much to spare in the short term i guess.

Well it's a good thing they didn't leave and we made the dance last year.

It's amazing to me that I am a diehard SU sports fan going back almost 40 years and I can't tell you the last time we made the tournament the last time we were even ranked. This program is teetering on the precipice of irrelevance...

I gave coach the benefit of the doubt last year but I see the same exact issues this year.

 

[Bayside44]

Well out help defense has not been good. Devo has mentioned it 998 times so far. Ironic

Channeling his inner Louie McCroskey

 

[JeremyCuse]

I'm semi-retired from questioning coaching decisions, but I just don't understand Freeman playing only 15 minutes, JJ only 23.

JJ, Freeman, Lampkin were on the floor when we built our biggest lead. Colgate calls timeout, we pull all 3, they go on a very quick 15-4 run. All that work to get the lead is instantly evaporated. I don't think Freeman ever saw the floor again.

I'd rather see the accelerated development of Freeman and Moore if we're going to be mediocre anyway.

Ya its fine if you wanna replace one of those guys for a few minutes but this team can't afford a wholesale change like that, this isn't the 2009 team where your bringing all conf type players off the bench. Freemans issue is that Davis is playing well (albeit not shooting ft's) so he's earning more time. May need to play more of them together.

Don't mind Red playing a deep bench but 3 and 4 hockey line subs isn't usually the answer unless we look god awful ala Lemoyne. Pull 1 or maybe 2 tops of those three and then see what happens.

 

[Bayside44]

Ya its fine if you wanna replace one of those guys for a few minutes but this team can't afford a wholesale change like that, this isn't the 2009 team where your bringing all conf type players off the bench. Freemans issue is that Davis is playing well (albeit not shooting ft's) so he's earning more time. May need to play more of them together.

Don't mind Red playing a deep bench but 3 and 4 hockey line subs isn't usually the answer unless we look god awful ala Lemoyne. Pull 1 or maybe 2 tops of those three and then see what happens.

Have to make the assumption that the hockey line thing will be out by January, and felt he had enough rope in this game to play the patterns he did.

That being said Moore Donnie please.

 

[two3zone]

I have said for months that JJ won’t be back next year

I don't know, I don't see why he would leave.

 

[two3zone]

No way. I don’t think Freeman is even ready to play at this level. What does he do well to run things through him? He shouldn’t even be starting.

I said the same thing. End of the day, we've played Le Moyne and Colgate and there wasn't one second I had the thought Donnie was close to the best player on the floor nor the best option.

I'm not knocking his skill set, but I guess I don't know what he does.

He's young, I get it, but expecting more than 10/6 may be asking for a lot.

This leads me to my next concerns, why are we getting these pretty good recruits and we weren't before? Is it Red and staff or is it these schools would rather grab a 2nd or 3rd year portal guy or the 12th ranked recruit? I think people really believe Anthony is going to come in and be this 15 point guy his freshman year.

We blew 700k on Lampkin? Dude can't get up the court without an oxygen tank. "It's early" doesn't work, it's early for everyone...

 

[two3zone]

We did it once or twice with good results but abandoned it.

Not going to something again doesn't mean you abandoned it. If the defense adjusts it'll take it away, if Donnie isn't moving it'll take it away, if his teammates defender took a passing lane or a screen away then you can't go to it.

If the same play worked over and over, why wouldn't you do it every time down the court?

You can't force the ball to a guy that can't do anything with it.

 

[MSOrange]

If Autry wants to play a very deep lineup, why not go Arkansas 40 minutes of Hell, or at least 10-15 minutes of Hell? I mean, pretty much everyone on the roster is athletic. We can just sub in and out constantly and try to exhaust the opponent.

In our own special way, we're already doing 40 minutes of hell

 

[IthacaMatt]

The team was never going to be and will never be good defensively this year.

It’s been coming down the mountain clear as day.

I don’t care what happens in practice.

The construct of this team is such that it will just be a bad defensive team.

And we have no malcontents, real or perceived at the current moment, to blame in lieu of scrutinizing Red, but I’m sure that’s coming.

We’d probably look better if he played more guys, like Naheem in particular.

 

[Col. Bleep]

We blew 700k on Lampkin? Dude can't get up the court without an oxygen tank. "

I was going to post that fans could chip in and buy Lampkin a treadmill so that maybe he could be in good enough playing shape to stay on the court.
But this is much better.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I said the same thing. End of the day, we've played Le Moyne and Colgate and there wasn't one second I had the thought Donnie was close to the best player on the floor nor the best option.

I'm not knocking his skill set, but I guess I don't know what he does.

He's young, I get it, but expecting more than 10/6 may be asking for a lot.

This leads me to my next concerns, why are we getting these pretty good recruits and we weren't before? Is it Red and staff or is it these schools would rather grab a 2nd or 3rd year portal guy or the 12th ranked recruit? I think people really believe Anthony is going to come in and be this 15 point guy his freshman year.

We blew 700k on Lampkin? Dude can't get up the court without an oxygen tank. "It's early" doesn't work, it's early for everyone...

I don’t think Anthony is coming here.

 

[Red Holzman]

Apparently, another season with no Alpha that leads by example and holds teammates accountable.
Five Guys with nothing appetizing on the menu -hope Red cooks something up in his kitchen.

 

[Newhouser]

If Autry wants to play a very deep lineup, why not go Arkansas 40 minutes of Hell, or at least 10-15 minutes of Hell? I mean, pretty much everyone on the roster is athletic. We can just sub in and out constantly and try to exhaust the opponent.

I'm not sure we are that athletic. We seem slow all over especially in the backcourt. No rim protection - I'm not sure 40 minutes of "hey we can't play man so let's press" solves anything.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Agree, but at least try and not be a bonehead. Stopping the ball is something you learn in grade school. We can’t even do that. I saw our guys turn their head on a screen 3 possessions in a row. This is fundamental stuff we can’t even do out there. Don’t even get me started on Bell grabbing the rim late in the game. Even my wife was befuddled over that.

Oh, to be clear, I’m 100% in agreement with you.

The blow bys + the lack of basic rotations is extremely concerning and if Red were not in the family, I think the scrutiny would be much higher.

I have no words for the Bell thing.

It happened right in front of me. It was a split second reactionary decision to being in a weird spot in the air. I don't fault him for that, tbh. The offensive player was much lower to the ground and when Bell was much higher in the air, in a strange spot relative to the rim, the contact slightly threw off his center of gravity and he grabbed the rim. Not ideal, especially that spot, but I understood how it could happen.

 

[NineOneSeven]

100 percent. People don’t realize how much better the ACC is than the big east. Cuse isn’t playing DePaul anymore. And it’s not apples to apples when playing Colgate, but I laugh when people compare Cuse to Duke and Kentucky. I also think people forget how bad this team has been for a decade. A literal decade.

As far as this game goes, it’s simple it’s about toughness and defense. They better fix it or they will have some serious problems. This team needs to wake up and play how they are capable

We should discuss this more.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We should discuss this more.

It's not even close to true. From 2008-2013 that league had as many as 11 and at least 8 teams make the tournament. In 2009 the league had 5 teams in the top 12 seeds. In 2012 and 2013 the league had 4 teams in the top 16 seeds. The ACC has not had at least 8 teams make the tournament in 7 years.

 

[SUFan44]

Red needs to tell this young man to work his game inside out. Freemen settles for fallaways and threes to easy. If he would post up more often, he’d get the ball. He spends too much time on the perimeter.

Like Boeheim finally got Carmelo to do, and it changed the trajectory of the 2002-03 season.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Like Boeheim finally got Carmelo to do, and it changed the trajectory of the 2002-03 season.

All these guys think they are Kevin Durant. Freeman is really built like him, but is just a puppy at this point. He has to want to bully people.

 

[MikeSU02]

Like Boeheim finally got Carmelo to do, and it changed the trajectory of the 2002-03 season.

Melo had moves for the inside. He just had to go inside out bc his outside shot wasn’t as dependable. Inside also got him to the foul line.

Donnie’s inside isn’t refined at all.

 

[UpstateSM]

I don't know, I don't see why he would leave.

Right? Him and Bell have the best jobs on planet earth. They will never have it this good anyplace else, college or pros.

 

[SUFan44]

Melo had moves for the inside. He just had to go inside out bc his outside shot wasn’t as dependable. Inside also got him to the foul line.

Donnie’s inside isn’t refined at all.

I still think he needs to start closer to the basket. Which is conceptually what worked for Melo -- different games and styles, but can't just start the game chucking 3's.

 

[two3zone]

It's not even close to true. From 2008-2013 that league had as many as 11 and at least 8 teams make the tournament. In 2009 the league had 5 teams in the top 12 seeds. In 2012 and 2013 the league had 4 teams in the top 16 seeds. The ACC has not had at least 8 teams make the tournament in 7 years.

It seemed like we were playing a top 10 team every other week and a top 25 team weekly.

I'd rather face a middle of the road ACC team over those middle BE Cincinnati teams any day.

 

[two3zone]

Like Boeheim finally got Carmelo to do, and it changed the trajectory of the 2002-03 season.

Didn't Melo score 30 against a ranked team in MSG his first game?

 

[SUFan44]

Didn't Melo score 30 against a ranked team in MSG his first game?

He was also inefficient and we lost. What is your point? He was talented, no question, from the start. Getting him to go inside out changed our ceiling from NCAA Tournament team to what we became.