College Student Football League

[chop block]

WTH, Navy and no Army or Air Force, lazy effort

I bet the thinking behind it was to keep Navy paired with Notre Dame. Any scenario where they don't play them yearly is a no go. You could put army in place of Cincinnati, but there really isn't logical room for airforce.

 

[Scooch]

Folks, divisions of 6 mean you play 5 games and then have SEVEN other games to maintain rivalries, play cross-sectional games, etc.

It’s a great idea. Schools don’t need to be playing 8 or 9 conference games. It’s overkill. Just pick out a core of 5 and it’s all good.

 

[USMCSnyper]

Mideast LOL. Let’s change that name,k?

 

[David321]

Mideast LOL. Let’s change that name,k?

Seems like it's all about rivalries; ND being in the East with Syracuse in the Mideast is silly.

 

[Dinkyspond]

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they broke up Ohio St. and Michigan, that's noteworthy to say the least

 

[Ozcuse]

Blow it all up. College football and certain athletic conferences have become corrupted over money and are no longer operating in the best interest of college athletics.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Without SEC/Big Ten support this won't be thet great. Love the idea. College football needs to be its own thing. But every school needs to be on board.

Right now the SEC and Big Ten are trying to screw everyone else. We need to band together against it

 

[BKCuse]

I would refuse this alignment based solely on Cuse playing in something called the “MIDEAST”

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Seems like it's all about rivalries; ND being in the East with Syracuse in the Mideast is silly.

I assume Mideast is Mid-Atlantic and East combined.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Agree. That is the most important part of this plan. Do something insane with football and only football, where the revenues are so high they can justify regular crazy travel.

Break off all the other sports and pair the schools by geography. So the student athletes can still be students and the travel to other league schools is reasonably cheap and time efficient.

What would that world look like? Very much like things were back around 1995 or 2000.

If this is driven by the college presidents, there is a chance they might do something sensible and the awful mess that is college athletics today might finally be addressed.

I agree in spirit but what do you do with the current conferences for non football? Break them up and start over? I feel like we already are past the point where this idea works. The time for this was prior to conferences going to 12. Or at least past 12.

So where does SU BBall go? With Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, BC, Cincy, Louisville, West Virginia? That is more regional but it is a step down from the ACC.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I agree in spirit but what do you do with the current conferences for non football? Break them up and start over? I feel like we already are past the point where this idea works. The time for this was prior to conferences going to 12. Or at least past 12.

So where does SU BBall go? With Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, BC, Cincy, Louisville, West Virginia? That is more regional but it is a step down from the ACC.

This is for football only.

Everyone stays where they currently are for basketball.

 

[Scooch]

This is for football only.

Everyone stays where they currently are for basketball.

I imagine there’s a thought that this could lead to a more geographically logical realignment of conferences once football is off the table.

I’d certainly prefer SU go back to a northeastern version of the Big East if we don’t have to worry about football money. Just like I’m sure Stanford and Cal would high tail it back to a new PAC conference with most of their buddies who left for the B1G and B12.

Needles to say all of this is far too strategic and practical for it to ever happen, so it won’t. Because college athletics is a toxic swamp of greed and stupidity.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

This is for football only.

Everyone stays where they currently are for basketball.

Not for long, I'd wager. Logical regional conferences would be the new "in" thing. SUP nu Big East!

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This is for football only.

Everyone stays where they currently are for basketball.

What is the point then if we still have Cal, Stanford, SMU in BBall?

 

[sutomcat]

I imagine there’s a thought that this could lead to a more geographically logical realignment of conferences once football is off the table.

I’d certainly prefer SU go back to a northeastern version of the Big East if we don’t have to worry about football money. Just like I’m sure Stanford and Cal would high tail it back to a new PAC conference with most of their buddies who left for the B1G and B12.

Needles to say all of this is far too strategic and practical for it to ever happen, so it won’t. Because college athletics is a toxic swamp of greed and stupidity.

This is part of the vision for the new conference. If they do it, they will absolutely not play the non-football sports in conferences aligned like they are now. The problems trying to do this are largely driving this initiative.

 

[Chip]

What is the point then if we still have Cal, Stanford, SMU in BBall?

The first sentence of the 2nd paragraph alludes to that, saying once football is separated, teams can return to their traditional, geographic conferences, reducing the need for all the travel.

I have no clue how that stuff will shake out because I don't know what pot of money is left after football is separated. And I would guess that some conferences would have to shed teams to perfectly realign.

I also don't know how they make all the football factories sign up without ensuring some kind of success factor in revenue sharing, but will be interesting to watch. And what of ND independence?

 

[Scooch]

This is part of the vision for the new conference. If they do it, they will absolutely not play the non-football sports in conferences aligned like they are now. The problems trying to do this are largely driving this initiative.

The first sentence of the 2nd paragraph alludes to that, saying once football is separated, teams can return to their traditional, geographic conferences, reducing the need for all the travel.

I have no clue how that stuff will shake out because I don't know what pot of money is left after football is separated. And I would guess that some conferences would have to shed teams to perfectly realign.

I also don't know how they make all the football factories sign up without ensuring some kind of success factor in revenue sharing, but will be interesting to watch. And what of ND independence?

I think it'd be immensely difficult to untangle the realignment we currently have, largely because the people now working at the various conferences will want to protect their phoney baloney jobs.

Re: the SEC/Big Ten factories... it's been abundantly clear for years that they'd all make more money -- oodles more -- if they ditched the anachronistic conference set up and formed an NFL-like league that negotiates a media deal in total. They'd make a KILLING getting Disney, FOX, NBCU, Amazon, Paramount, etc. to bid on that like the NFL and NBA do.

But all these dummies want is control, so they sacrifice money. It's bewildering, but no one ever accused the folks running college sports of being smart.

 

[Chip]

I think it'd be immensely difficult to untangle the realignment we currently have, largely because the people now working at the various conferences will want to protect their phoney baloney jobs.

Re: the SEC/Big Ten factories... it's been abundantly clear for years that they'd all make more money -- oodles more -- if they ditched the anachronistic conference set up and formed an NFL-like league that negotiates a media deal in total. They'd make a KILLING getting Disney, FOX, NBCU, Amazon, Paramount, etc. to bid on that like the NFL and NBA do.

But all these dummies want is control, so they sacrifice money. It's bewildering, but no one ever accused the folks running college sports of being smart.

Yeah, I guess it's the equity share part that would seem to burn them. It's one thing for Ohio State to share their riches with, say, Rutgers. Because at the time they had a reason to think that was strategic for more money overall. But now they have to get an equal share as, say, Cincy??

I think the west coast schools will be able to go back to the Pac-12 rather easily for non-football. But yeah, the Big East bringing back Syracuse, BC, Pitt, but keeping the others. Is it any better to go to Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincy, Chicago than to Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Atlanta?

 

[sutomcat]

Yeah, I guess it's the equity share part that would seem to burn them. It's one thing for Ohio State to share their riches with, say, Rutgers. Because at the time they had a reason to think that was strategic for more money overall. But now they have to get an equal share as, say, Cincy??

I think the west coast schools will be able to go back to the Pac-12 rather easily for non-football. But yeah, the Big East bringing back Syracuse, BC, Pitt, but keeping the others. Is it any better to go to Omaha, Milwaukee, Cincy, Chicago than to Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Atlanta?

If this happens, I think the Big East goes back to where it was circa 1994.

DePaul, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier all go back to where they were then. Leagues that make geographic sense. There will surely be some exceptions. Maybe Gonzaga ends up in the Pac12* because they have become such a major power and draw for basketball.

But I am pretty sure the Big East would end up almost exactly like it was around 1994.

The most interesting thing to me would be what happens to Penn State, Rutgers, West Virginia, Cincinnati, South Florida, Memphis, East Carolina, Tulane and Louisville. And Florida State.

They probably would not be welcome in the Big East. I don't think the ACC would take them. Again, this is for all sports except football.

They might end up in a reformed Metro or American Conference.

*=all sports except football

 

[Chip]

If this happens, I think the Big East goes back to where it was circa 1994.

DePaul, Marquette, Creighton, Xavier all go back to where they were then. Leagues that make geographic sense. There will surely be some exceptions. Maybe Gonzaga ends up in the Pac12* because they have become such a major power and draw for basketball.

But I am pretty sure the Big East would end up almost exactly like it was around 1994.

The most interesting thing to me would be what happens to Penn State, Rutgers, West Virginia, Cincinnati, South Florida, Memphis, East Carolina, Tulane and Louisville. And Florida State.

They probably would not be welcome in the Big East. I don't think the ACC would take them. Again, this is for all sports except football.

They might end up in a reformed Metro or American Conference.

*=all sports except football

If Penn State asks to be in the Big East, should we have a contest to decide who gets to tell them no?

 

[FloridaCuse]

If Penn State asks to be in the Big East, should we have a contest to decide who gets to tell them no?

I thought Georgetown always does.

 

[FrancoPizza]

If Penn State asks to be in the Big East, should we have a contest to decide who gets to tell them no?

I must be missing something, but wouldn't we want to rekindle that rivalry?

 

[Millhouse]

they broke up Ohio St. and Michigan, that's noteworthy to say the least

They can still schedule each other every year

 

[Millhouse]

I think it'd be immensely difficult to untangle the realignment we currently have, largely because the people now working at the various conferences will want to protect their phoney baloney jobs.

Re: the SEC/Big Ten factories... it's been abundantly clear for years that they'd all make more money -- oodles more -- if they ditched the anachronistic conference set up and formed an NFL-like league that negotiates a media deal in total. They'd make a KILLING getting Disney, FOX, NBCU, Amazon, Paramount, etc. to bid on that like the NFL and NBA do.

But all these dummies want is control, so they sacrifice money. It's bewildering, but no one ever accused the folks running college sports of being smart.

Ignoring millions of $ to keep running Bojangles and food Lion commercials in areas that have neither

 

[Millhouse]

This is for football only.

Everyone stays where they currently are for basketball.

I have said this before but I didn't need my football teams playing the same cities as my baseball teams

There are no cross sport rivalries that matter, it's all within a sport