Competing NIL Next Year?

[pwong]

Why? Because SU has Autry as its coach and Marquette has Greg McDermott who is a very- very good coach.

SU should never have hired Autry who had absolutely no prior head coaching experience.

Shaka Smart is the MQ coach. McDermott is Creighton.

 

[hoopsupstate]

There isn't that much talent in the world. He has zero feel for the game. And I fear that either you have that, or you don't.

Dash you’re probably right. I have to give Red credit for getting these guys off the mat time and time again to compete in the next game. Last night surprised me. I thought we would get beat bad. If Miller doesn’t come back last night we might have won easily. They have no other point guard. Miller killed us last year when he played at Wake. Carlos more than held his own last night.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Seth Greenberg said teams need $7-8-9 million to compete. And coaching.

That’s what Virginia is telling their coaching candidates. The competition for talent this portal season is going to be fierce. I hope our coaches have their big boy pants on.

 

[grepal]

Since Saturday, I’m really at a lost for words as it pertains to the men’s basketball program. However, I kind of see two ways this goes for next season:

1. Big donors have a lot more confidence in Autry than the rest. They invest money in Autry that has them in the top 10 in the nation for NIL. Hoping that he succeeds and gets the medium and small donor more engaged to keep it going for 2026-27.

2. We maintain our current NIL budget position with increases for inflation levels. See if Autry can figure out the coaching thing and probably make strides the following season to get to an NIL level to perform at our historical level of success.

Option 1 is really going into the make or break moment for the program. If we go option 2 and Autry doesn’t figure out the coaching thing and gets fired. We probably go all in on option 1 in 2026-27 or 2027-28 with our new coach.

This is kind of the two paths I see this going. Option 2 would really suggest that we can’t afford the buyout, so it’s pretty much hoping Autry improves his coaching or he’s done after season 3. Kinda curious what others think, if we will be closer to option 1 or option 2 next season?

That sounds reasonable. A new coach should get three years to figure it out. A lot of guys are great assistants because they get to be the good cop, especially when the head guy has the personality of the bad cop. The transition to head coach is in this situation is not easy and not everyone understands how to do it. A lot of managers who are promoted from within do not understand the difference between being buddies with their co-workers and then becoming the boss requires a change of attitude. Some people can do it and some cannot. We will see what Red has learned in the next 12 months.

 

[upperdeck]

I wont matter NIL. The colleges will all be shut down anyway

 

[Fly Rodder]

That’s what Virginia is telling their coaching candidates. The competition for talent this portal season is going to be fierce. I hope our coaches have their big boy pants on.

Even more so since this was last season of the guys with an extra year from COVID. If you figure that there are about 5,000 D1 roster spots, then the pool is going to decrease by about 750 players (15%) and the addition of two more roster spots.

There is going to be a lot of money floating around with the revenue sharing and fewer players to spend it on.

 

[phil77]

It is way more than NIL. I think I mentioned this in the game thread due to Seth's comments at halftime.

You will need 6ish million for a starting lineup
You will need 2ish million for a quality bench

You will need 3-5ish million for a quality coach
You will need 3-5ish million for assistants/support staff

Basketball program will cost about 20 million if you are a serious program right now, that is focused on winning.

 

[Sbucketball]

How much NIL is available is the first question a coaching candidate will ask in an interview. It might be a question asked to see if they’ll even come for an interview.

This is part of the reason it's so important to drastically improve our NIL right now (which, according to people here, we are). Coaching is by far our biggest problem, but we need to improve our second biggest problem (NIL) to fix our biggest problem (hiring a new coach). No candidate wants to be set up to fail, including up and comers who basically have one shot to prove themselves.

 

[Newhouser]

It is way more than NIL. I think I mentioned this in the game thread due to Seth's comments at halftime.

You will need 6ish million for a starting lineup
You will need 2ish million for a quality bench

You will need 3-5ish million for a quality coach
You will need 3-5ish million for assistants/support staff

Basketball program will cost about 20 million if you are a serious program right now, that is focused on winning.

The money that is going to be required each and every year is not something that is sustainable for a lot of programs including ours.

 

[phil77]

The money that is going to be required each and every year is not something that is sustainable for a lot of programs including ours.

I think at some point there will be some sort of cap or some limitations in place. In professional sports they all work within some sort of salary cap I imagine at some point they will do the same with this.

 

[UnknownOrange]

good coaching makes up for NIL shortcomings

you pay the coach - he gets the most out of what he has - success is there, money starts coming in

to think people are going to throw a bunch of money at NIL with AA still head coach is laughable. This is a bandwagon city and people aren't giving their extra money to a guy who has won 12 games as we live and breath on march 5th

 

[Fly Rodder]

I think at some point there will be some sort of cap or some limitations in place. In professional sports they all work within some sort of salary cap I imagine at some point they will do the same with this.

I don't know. The NCAA really has no leverage here to implement anything and neither do the schools. There are individual ~350 D1 schools and conferences aren't much more important. They could implement something, but NIL itself is completely unrelated to the schools and NCAA - that's compensation to the player.

 

[PauliePeppas]

That’s what Virginia is telling their coaching candidates. The competition for talent this portal season is going to be fierce. I hope our coaches have their big boy pants on.

Ha…

 

[phil77]

good coaching makes up for NIL shortcomings

you pay the coach - he gets the most out of what he has - success is there, money starts coming in

to think people are going to throw a bunch of money at NIL with AA still head coach is laughable. This is a bandwagon city and people aren't giving their extra money to a guy who has won 12 games as we live and breath on march 5th

I do agree some what with this. I think this is where Syracuse needs to focus. We need to understand that we will probably never be at the top end of the NIL and probably always in the middle or the pack or slightly above average. What we need to do is spend on coaching, top tier coaching staff, GM, etc. Play entertaining basketball. Put players in the NBA etc. Then we can be a competitive team and players will come, maybe not the top top tier, but the next tier we can get and we can still win if we out-coach them.

 

[UnknownOrange]

I do agree some what with this. I think this is where Syracuse needs to focus. We need to understand that we will probably never be at the top end of the NIL and probably always in the middle or the pack or slightly above average. What we need to do is spend on coaching, top tier coaching staff, GM, etc. Play entertaining basketball. Put players in the NBA etc. Then at we can be a competitive team and players will come, maybe not the top top tier, but the next tier we can get and we can still win if we out-coach them.

coaching, IMO, almost always outweighs talent. There's a reason Rutgers is going to put 2 guys in the first 3 picks of the draft but aren't sniffing the tournament

You need to invest in the long term foundation (coaching, staff, and brand) as you said and the rest follows. Unless phill77 wins the lottery soon, we won't be a top NIL school and that's ok as long as we're coached well

 

[jdubs30]

What is Marquette's NIL budget? I cannot imagine that it significantly beats SU's and they're not exactly in a geographical paradise. Why can MQ be good, but SU stinks?

Marquette was the only team in the country not to lose or gain any transfers. They’re also worse than last year.

Shaka is a fantastic but when Jones/Mitchell/Joplin all graduate this year, MU is gonna have to spend in the portal

 

[miamicuse]

Since Saturday, I’m really at a lost for words as it pertains to the men’s basketball program. However, I kind of see two ways this goes for next season:

1. Big donors have a lot more confidence in Autry than the rest. They invest money in Autry that has them in the top 10 in the nation for NIL. Hoping that he succeeds and gets the medium and small donor more engaged to keep it going for 2026-27.

2. We maintain our current NIL budget position with increases for inflation levels. See if Autry can figure out the coaching thing and probably make strides the following season to get to an NIL level to perform at our historical level of success.

Option 1 is really going into the make or break moment for the program. If we go option 2 and Autry doesn’t figure out the coaching thing and gets fired. We probably go all in on option 1 in 2026-27 or 2027-28 with our new coach.

This is kind of the two paths I see this going. Option 2 would really suggest that we can’t afford the buyout, so it’s pretty much hoping Autry improves his coaching or he’s done after season 3. Kinda curious what others think, if we will be closer to option 1 or option 2 next season?

I may be in the minority on this but option 2 may be a better path as I see no reason to throw good NIL money after bad as Red can't leverage it correctly. If as everyone says he has one more year, why would more NIL make a difference if he is a lame duck coach still can't get his players to defend and execute a court vision.

If I am donating to NIL I would donate to WBB at least over there they do seem to be limited by NIL and not coaching deficiency.