Congressional action is coming towards collegiate athletics

[Alsacs]

As I suspected. Excuse me while I go vomit.

How did we get national speed limits for highways passed?

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

As I suspected. Excuse me while I go vomit.

... So you're not a fan of the Constitution?

 

[javadoc]

How did we get national speed limits for highways passed?

The Commerce Clause has long since lost any resemblance to its original intent or public meaning. I merely wanted to express displeasure, not launch an embedded debate about it. (There should not be national speed limits, either.)

 

[Cusefan0307]

Nothing will happen. The status quo will figure out a way to lie and cheat to protect their beliefs.

 

[cuseincincy]

Let those that a scholarship is not enough go elsewhere. College sports will survive without the kids that want to be pro's right away. But where else are most of them going to go? Here is my suggestion:

 

[TheCusian]

No at SU it is in Family and Child Studies or some other watered down degree

exactly. It’s their real major for all intents and purposes, it’s exclusive to a select group of humans, and the institutions make a huge sum on their backs - but the argument is they wouldn’t be there normally due to academics

it’s offensive in its framing

how many lame normal students couldn’t add the value to their school as these guys because they are athletically inferior

 

[TheCusian]

Let those that a scholarship is not enough go elsewhere. College sports will survive without the kids that want to be pro's right away. But where else are most of them going to go? Here is my suggestion:
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Indeed. ESPN would prob pay a lot for inferior athletes doing stuff poorly

 

[Ozcuse]

Let those that a scholarship is not enough go elsewhere. College sports will survive without the kids that want to be pro's right away. But where else are most of them going to go? Here is my suggestion:
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So you acknowledge there is no other choice if they want to pursue professional football right away and then use that as leverage to make the Universities’ pitch telling players to go pound sand.

You’re making Congress’s case for them!

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think maybe some people have never had to pay for a college tuition, so they don't really realize the burden that it puts on a student once out of college.

I have been out of college for almost 20 years and I still have 1 year left to pay for tuition. Not only is it a financial burden, it puts you behind the 8 ball to building real wealth because you are constantly paying debt.

A paid college tuition with a real degree is of enormous value. Absolutely enormous

I paid tuition, paid off my loans, have been successful after college and still support giving players their market value. The NCAA is a socialist enterprise with a black market that is not policed. That status quo in inherently un American.

 

[AngryOtto]

I really enjoy watching college sports and I’m a diehard su fan but this is getting out of control. You are not drafted into college to play sports. It is a “choice”. You do not have to play. You choose to play because presumably you love the sport. A majority of players will never sniff the professional leagues.
However when they leave college they are debt free. They can use their degree for the rest of their life to make money. A number of players get master degrees.
These are not poor disadvantaged student athletes. I would have loved to been able to play a sport I loved and come out of college with no debt. However I like many others had to take on debt for years.
I am getting to a point where if this continues I may have to stop watching college sports.

 

[TheCusian]

Why would I be offended? It will make recruiting very corrupt (even more than it currently is) and will be hard to attach to players if they're going from school to school every year. As to compensated fairly, you say it like it's a fact when it's actually a matter of opinion. Some believe a full scholarship and other benefits are fair compensation.
I would be open to them getting other benefits.

1. recruiting needs reform too, separate issue but it should be addressed

2. the people who feel it’s fair compensation are wrong. The market is rigged against the workers who are discovering their power. it will change

3. I have bigger moral objections given the inequities than some lip service to amateurism

 

[TheCusian]

I really enjoy watching college sports and I’m a diehard su fan but this is getting out of control. You are not drafted into college to play sports. It is a “choice”. You do not have to play. You choose to play because presumably you love the sport. A majority of players will never sniff the professional leagues.
However when they leave college they are debt free. They can use their degree for the rest of their life to make money. A number of players get master degrees.
These are not poor disadvantaged student athletes. I would have loved to been able to play a sport I loved and come out of college with no debt. However I like many others had to take on debt for years.
I am getting to a point where if this continues I may have to stop watching college sports.

if enough players say “enough” and choose not to play, the NFL will find away to compensate guys who can do things no one else can

there won’t be college sports and the money train will be derailed... this is why in the end the players will get what they want

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Agreed on this. We recently started a few programs with the sole intention of attracting diverse students. These programs are not designed to make any money (In a few years we will work to make sure that they don't lose too much money, but that is a problem for later on), and frankly 90%+ of the graduates won't find jobs based on their attained degree from these programs, but they help the school's numbers look better.

Interesting. Why anticipating such low placement?

 

[Bayside44]

Mark the bill doesn’t have a Republican Congress-sponsor yet.
This bill is a Democratic one.
Rubio and Sasse are working on there own version.
Someone else said McConnell won’t allow it.
He isn’t going to have the iron grip on his caucus next Congress if they are minority and I see Murkowski, Ron Johnson; Pat Toomey, Sasse, Rubio and can find you more who will want to win their 2022 races to support this.

Come on - Pat Toomey and Ben Sasse aren't going to run TV ads saying they're the reason college athletes are getting more stuff.

Mitch is a massive UL guy, plus Kentucky. He'll block it for fun, because that's his idea of fun (don't move this post!).

 

[Ozcuse]

I really enjoy watching college sports and I’m a diehard su fan but this is getting out of control. You are not drafted into college to play sports. It is a “choice”. You do not have to play. You choose to play because presumably you love the sport. A majority of players will never sniff the professional leagues.
However when they leave college they are debt free. They can use their degree for the rest of their life to make money. A number of players get master degrees.
These are not poor disadvantaged student athletes. I would have loved to been able to play a sport I loved and come out of college with no debt. However I like many others had to take on debt for years.
I am getting to a point where if this continues I may have to stop watching college sports.

If your dream is to play professional football and help your families what is your other choice? Is there really a choice if your only options to continue playing are Div. 1 program A with a scholarship, room and board or Div. 1 program B with a similar scholarship, room and board?

Could you point me to the semi pro football league for 18-22 year olds?

Colleges have reaped the benefits for years of being "the only game in town" for 18-22 years olds who are really really good at football.

 

[Fly Rodder]

This thread ... lol.

(the original posted article is informative, but some of the posts ... there should probably just be a pinned thread where people have to post their current salaries and let a handful of grumps tell them how overpaid they are and to shut up and be happy with what they got because back in their day harumph harumph harumph).

ETA:

Mitch is a massive UL guy, plus Kentucky. He'll block it for fun, because that's his idea of fun (don't move this post!).

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[All4SU]

Why can kids who are on academic scholarship at Newhouse have time to get part jobs while on campus , but athletic scholarship athletes not have the same time to get part jobs while on campus?

Football and basketball players have fulltime jobs during their seasons. They aren’t amateurs.

The system can be changed for the betterment of these athletes that producing millions of dollars for their schools.

Or... here is a what if... we do what’s really best for kids and not mislead into thinking football is a career, and change the system so that it benefits both kids with exceptional athletic ability by letting them go make a living at it, and the remaining student/athletes by reinforcing the value of an education?

 

[Ozcuse]

Come on - Pat Toomey and Ben Sasse aren't going to run TV ads saying they're the reason college athletes are getting more stuff.

Mitch is a massive UL guy, plus Kentucky. He'll block it for fun, because that's his idea of fun (don't move this post!).

If Frost gets behind it and Sasse thinks it can help make the Huskers relevant again, I wouldn't dismiss it. Same with Rubio in Florida. I could see UF, FSU, and the U getting behind it if they think it will help them overall which would lead Rubio to push it.

 

[Bayside44]

Kamala Harris and top Dems float college athlete pay as virus rages

A "College Athletes Bill of Rights" would give student-athletes a cut of the revenue made on college sports.

www.politico.com

I cannot imagine some of these guys want an inevitable bidding war. Lots of money in OK and TX where Nebraska recruits from. But that's just my 2 cents.

 

[UpstateSM]

... So you're not a fan of the Constitution?

A document written by slave owners three centuries ago? I don’t hate it but I’m far from it’s biggest fan. Our country and it’s social constructs have changed pretty drastically since its inception.

I’m all for the concept of the Constitution and what it’s supposed to stand for but it’s far from perfect. It has also been constantly left up to interpretation by appointed justices who can twist words to reach a predetermined decision.

I wish I had a solution in mind but I don’t trust anyone in power to make a decision/revision with America’s best interest in mind.

 

[syracuse95]

I'm confused. What enumerated power grants the US Congress any authority over college athletics?

(I think I know what the professed reason will be, curious what folks think, though.)

Doesn't matter. The 10th Amendment went out the window quite awhile ago.

 

[TexanMark]

1. recruiting needs reform too, separate issue but it should be addressed

2. the people who feel it’s fair compensation are wrong. The market is rigged against the workers who are discovering their power. it will change

3. I have bigger moral objections given the inequities than some lip service to amateurism

If they become employees fine

Then the school should be able to give them 2 weeks notice for under performance.

Also, everything they get is taxable. They don't pay taxes on everything now.

 

[TexanMark]

This thread ... lol.

(the original posted article is informative, but some of the posts ... there should probably just be a pinned thread where people have to post their current salaries and let a handful of grumps tell them how overpaid they are and to shut up and be happy with what they got because back in their day harumph harumph harumph).

ETA:

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Post yours first

We'll start with you.

 

[AngryOtto]

If your dream is to play professional football and help your families what is your other choice? Is there really a choice if your only options to continue playing are Div. 1 program A with a scholarship, room and board or Div. 1 program B with a similar scholarship, room and board?

Could you point me to the semi pro football league for 18-22 year olds?

Colleges have reaped the benefits for years of being "the only game in town" for 18-22 years olds who are really really good at football.

It is not the colleges responsibility to get the less than 1 percent of the players ready for professional supports. It is for an education.
Now if we want to talk about player benefits already let’s. Tuition, room and board (more than regular students), trainers, sports psychologist, nutritionist, tutors for classes, priority registration, a stipend, medical, coaching and the list goes on. The amount a school spends on a player is enormous.
In a sense they already get substantial money for playing a sport they love. They just don’t get cash so they do not have to pay taxes. They also walk out debt free.

 

[Alsacs]

It is not the colleges responsibility to get the less than 1 percent of the players ready for professional supports. It is for an education.
Now if we want to talk about player benefits already let’s. Tuition, room and board (more than regular students), trainers, sports psychologist, nutritionist, tutors for classes, priority registration, a stipend, medical, coaching and the list goes on. The amount a school spends on a player is enormous.
In a sense they already get substantial money for playing a sport they love. They just don’t get cash so they do not have to pay taxes. They also walk out debt free.

Johnny Manzel’s Heisman Trophy football season brought in over 300 million dollars in donations, sold over 250,000 #2 jerseys, and basically funded the expansion of Kyle Field.

If he was given more than just scholarship and had to pay taxes for that I think he would
Be okay with that.