Congressional action is coming towards collegiate athletics

[dasher]

If the actors were bringing in ridiculous profits for the university I would say the same thing.

That has nothing to do with anything. A kid majoring in acting, can't make money during the summer from acting and stay in the drama dept. A music major can sing all summer along and make money and still stay in the music dept. How is that okay?

 

[RandomGuy]

Currently went JUCO to a top 4 program (Iowa Western) They put 8 guys into D-1 of last year's team, plus a pro.

Nice. Hope he gets to keep the year of eligibility.

 

[Alsacs]

That has nothing to do with anything. A kid majoring in acting, can't make money during the summer from acting and stay in the drama dept. A music major can sing all summer along and make money and still stay in the music dept. How is that okay?

If they can make money during the summer they won’t come back to school most likely.
What type of role can’t a student actor take in the summer?

Where are the eligibility rules so I can read them. If that is the rule that is a restraint on free trade.
The SAG CBA Doesn’t prevent that.

https://www.sagaftra.org/files/2014_sag-aftra_cba_1.pdf

 

[dasher]

If they can make money during the summer they won’t come back to school most likely.
What type of role can’t a student actor take in the summer?

Where are the eligibility rules so I can read them. If that is the rule that is a restraint on free trade.
The SAG CBA Doesn’t prevent that.

https://www.sagaftra.org/files/2014_sag-aftra_cba_1.pdf

I totally misread a post up above. i thought he was saying that kids would be thrown out of the drama dept if they acted in the summer. I couldn't understand that. And for good reason. It isn't true.

 

[Alsacs]

Person up above said that actors would be thrown out of the drama dept if they accept money. Makes no sense to me.

I highly doubt that is true. I would love to see where those rules come from.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Wow lot of great content in here. Couldn’t get through it all but I’ll just say, this whole thing is certainly a slippery slope. Straight up paying college athletes, I see both sides. I do think kids should be able to accept or earn whatever money they are given based on them simply being who they are, ie benefiting from their “likeness” etc, whatever that truly means.

But the reality for sure is a scholarship is a great benefit. A scholarship allows you to go to college to get an education. People sometimes just link scholarships to athletics. Thousands of kids everywhere get scholarships to schools. Who cares whether they got them through good grades Or good athletics?

 

[Fly Rodder]

I highly doubt that is true. I would love to see where those rules come from.

Because I wrote no such thing.

The only reason this is a giant keruffle is because the two revenue sports generate enormous sums of money which are redistributed to layers of admins, coaches, and staff, and a relatively small percentage goes to the players in the form of company scrip.

Just think of how much money is wasted on maintaining a facade of amateurism to protect the status quo and pretend there aren’t billions sloshing around.

 

[UpstateSM]

No offense Upstate, I’m sure you’re a swell person. But it’s comments like this that legitimately make me concerned for the future of this country, the greatest country.

I love my country and part of loving something is not being scared to give it constructive criticism. I think that mindset regarding our country is a generational thing though.

So I get where your concern is coming from but I don’t think I understand it.

Also, I’m the swellest person here and there’s far more problematic comments that should make you concerned for the future of this country lol

 

[Alsacs]

Because I wrote no such thing.

The only reason this is a giant keruffle is because the two revenue sports generate enormous sums of money which are redistributed to layers of admins, coaches, and staff, and a relatively small percentage goes to the players in the form of company scrip.

Just think of how much money is wasted on maintaining a facade of amateurism to protect the status quo and pretend there aren’t billions sloshing around.

The status quo is the problem. You get that.

Basketball is less the issue than football.
As their are alternatives for basketball players.
Football players don’t have the same option.

Football players are the ones whom definitely deserve more.
If they have to get taxed to do so then fine.

 

[Chip]

It is not the colleges responsibility to get the less than 1 percent of the players ready for professional supports. It is for an education.
Now if we want to talk about player benefits already let’s. Tuition, room and board (more than regular students), trainers, sports psychologist, nutritionist, tutors for classes, priority registration, a stipend, medical, coaching and the list goes on. The amount a school spends on a player is enormous.
In a sense they already get substantial money for playing a sport they love. They just don’t get cash so they do not have to pay taxes. They also walk out debt free.

And let’s not forget the ladies!!!!

The ones they get, not the ones playing sports (unless they’re one in the same).

Don’t @ me.

 

[dasher]

I highly doubt that is true. I would love to see where those rules come from.

That was my fault. I mistook what was said to me.

 

[dasher]

Because I wrote no such thing.

The only reason this is a giant keruffle is because the two revenue sports generate enormous sums of money which are redistributed to layers of admins, coaches, and staff, and a relatively small percentage goes to the players in the form of company scrip.

Just think of how much money is wasted on maintaining a facade of amateurism to protect the status quo and pretend there aren’t billions sloshing around.

I said i was mistaken. Sorry. Old age.

 

[Hoo's That]

Schools were able to provide full scholarships to all of these athletes in the 1980’s, 1990’s, and early 2000’s before the massive influx of tv money. At just about every state school, the money then and now has come from donors. It can't come from the Financial Aid office under state laws.

Where is that tv money going? Facilities and Non-rev sports. It ain't cheap to send a lacrosse or soccer team to South Bend.

College coaches are the highest paid state employees in much of our country. Schools are building temples to football and basketball and a few years later tearing them down and rebuilding. Their state budget line item salary is minimal (the taxpayers of Alabama only pay Nick Saban $100K, the rest comes from their donors). They have that line item so the president can fire them if the AD won't; that's what happened at Louisville w/Pitino and Jurich, the AD.

The increased liquidity from tv money is causing massive inflation in the revenue sports coaching industry (salary and buyouts) because the money has to be spent somewhere.

Also we say the scholarship has a value of $70,000 however most of these players would receive federal subsidies and other need based aid that would drop the cost of attendance well under that amount without football. The bigger question than their money is whether they would have been admitted in the first place. The answer usually is they wouldn't have been.

{snip}

 

[djcon57]

this argument is silly. Art students get in based on skill plus academics. Same with music. Athletes earn their entrance just like everyone else - they do something better than the rest of the population.

it’s merit based either way you slice it

Seriously...the jealousy just oozes off the screen with those type of posts.

If we want to be break it open and be honest, when someone said how they have to pay a student loan...

My answer would be: Sorry you didn't have the talent, drive, and skill to get a scholarship and they did?

 

[Hoo's That]

They are the ones bringing in all of the money for the athletic budget though so pretty hard to argue. Even if they were to get paid, they would still be a net positive to the budget. Tough to complain about money at the school when every non football/basketball athlete is costing the school money without bringing in a cent.

I can speak to what happens at UVa. Their records show non-rev athletes give more money on both an absolute and per capita basis to the academic and sports fund raising programs than football and/or basketball players.

 

[djcon57]

I didn’t say whether I was or not, and it’s really irrelevant.

You and I just fundamentally disagree on what a college athletic department should be. You see it as a for-profit business enterprise that should compensate the revenue generators and cull the under performers. I see it as serving to provide athletic opportunities to enrich the college experience of ALL student athletes, not just the ones that bring in the money.

Just because “football drives the bus” shouldn’t mean only football players get to ride.

No no no. lol...no...Who are we kidding??

THE SCHOOLS see it as a for-profit business. The whole conference reallignment nonsense? You think that was to enrich the college experience of all student athletes?

 

[Hoo's That]

How did we get national speed limits for highways passed?

Congress threatened to withhold highway money if the speed limit wasn't lowered to 55 (at the time). They did the same thing with lowering the voting age to 18 until the 26th Amendment was ratified.

 

[Alsacs]

No no no. lol...no...Who are we kidding??

THE SCHOOLS see it as a for-profit business. The whole conference reallignment nonsense? You think that was to enrich the college experience of all student athletes?

We pay Jim Boeheim and Dino Babers over 2 million dollars a year each to enrich the lifes of all students in the entire athletic department and student body.

It’s not big business.
We are spending money to renovate the Dome not because we want to make a lot of money but because the students need a place to gather for football and basketball games.

 

[Alsacs]

Congress threatened to withhold highway money if the speed limit wasn't lowered to 55 (at the time). They did the same thing with lowering the voting age to 18 until the 26th Amendment was ratified.

I know and they used the interstate commerce clause to get that done.
I was just making an example of how the Congress can get involved in NCAA student affairs

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Nice. Hope he gets to keep the year of eligibility.

He redshirted last year at Manhattan. JUCO has already shifted the season to spring. Coach said they will play, b/c they are not controlled by NCAA

 

[TexanMark]

Only football players shouldn’t get the ride.
The football players subsidize the other sports scholarships.
Athletic departments waste a lot of money on buildings and locker rooms when they could just give the players that bring in that revenue a piece of it and the bottom lines for the schools wouldn’t change.

Why spend 28 million dollars on a locker room? When the players could receive a piece of that?

Actually it is disgusting the waste in athletics on OTT locker rooms, stadium suites and lounges.

That money should go into other things. We agree on that...maybe the money should go to scholarships or better academic facilities.

 

[Ozcuse]

Hoo's That
How do the non P5 schools pay for non-revenue sport travel and coaches?

How did SU do it pre ACC with the $4M from the Big East?

Seems pretty fishy that we were able to do it pre ACC money but now that we’re in the ACC an additional $30M a year is all accounted for nice and neat with a little more travel.

 

[Alsacs]

Hoo's That
How do the non P5 schools pay for non-revenue sport travel and coaches?

How did SU do it pre ACC with the $4M from the Big East?

Seems pretty fishy that we were able to do it pre ACC money but now that we’re in the ACC an additional $30M a year is all accounted for nice and neat with a little more travel.

With this said it amazes how these P5 teams seem to survive in their AD tv paycheck to TV paycheck and don’t have rainy day funds.

It speaks to the excessive wasteful spending likely going on.

 

[Alsacs]

Actually it is disgusting the waste in athletics on OTT locker rooms, stadium suites and lounges.

That money should go into other things. We agree on that...maybe the money should go to scholarships or better academic facilities.

Why not just a slice to the players.
Not saying make them partners like professional sports but giving a piece to FB players wouldn’t hurt.

 

[corpjet]

Let’s be honest and go back to the OP

NOTHING good will come out if Congress is involved...