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Congressional action is coming towards collegiate athletics

Many schools have a hard time maintaining an athletic budget without paying players. What a wreck actually paying players would be. It would be an absolute train wreck

Syracuse has cut wrestling and swimming and diving. Maybe more that I don't know about
This got me thinking... is there any other nation on earth that has such an extensive, revenue-driven, athletic system in their universities?

I love college sports, but I’d be lying if I said that there weren’t times when I wonder how it makes absolutely any sense whatsoever.
 
This got me thinking... is there any other nation on earth that has such an extensive, revenue-driven, athletic system in their universities?

I love college sports, but I’d be lying if I said that there weren’t times when I wonder how it makes absolutely any sense whatsoever.
Carleton University in Ottawa is a private university that actually has more students than SU. They were "The Powerhouse" in men's basketball in Canada up until the last season orvtwo. In some years they possibly would be good enough to win a few rounds in March Madness. They play in a gym similar to most high schools in CNY.

They average in the hundreds. There is your difference.
 
Hoo's That
How do the non P5 schools pay for non-revenue sport travel and coaches?

How did SU do it pre ACC with the $4M from the Big East?

Seems pretty fishy that we were able to do it pre ACC money but now that we’re in the ACC an additional $30M a year is all accounted for nice and neat with a little more travel.
Just about all state schools have to have separate fundraising for athletics. Not very many of the non-P5 sports are playing in new stadiums, unless a sugar daddy/mommy has paid for them. their non-revs play regionally. The MAC schools, for example, don't fly their field hockey teams out to play Iowa, like UVa did one time. Their support facilities are not as good as the P5's. Private schools are a totally different animal. How sports and sports facilities are funded is their prerogative and no outsider is looking over their shoulder to question it. I believe posters here have said the indoor practice facility is one of the first major facility upgrades paid for with ACC money. I think there are a lot of things not obvious to those not currently on campus that SU can now have with the ACC money that they didn't have before, like better food, weight rooms, more than one strength and conditioning coach, etc.
 
Congress threatened to withhold highway money if the speed limit wasn't lowered to 55 (at the time). They did the same thing with lowering the voting age to 18 until the 26th Amendment was ratified.
It still was not a national speed limit as some states said, "keep your money" and kept their speed limits. The speed limit was still set by each state; just most states acquiesced to the federal demand to lower the speed limit in order to get more federal funds.
 
This got me thinking... is there any other nation on earth that has such an extensive, revenue-driven, athletic system in their universities?

I love college sports, but I’d be lying if I said that there weren’t times when I wonder how it makes absolutely any sense whatsoever.
In addition to what TexanMark said, universities in other parts of the world don't have the competition levels we do partly because of the extensive club system for sports in their countries. I would hazard a guess that soccer at Oxford is barely above the intramural level here because anyone with any soccer ability approaching what we have at our collegiate level is either playing for a low division pro/semi-pro club or in the academy system of one of the EPL teams.
 
Congress threatened to withhold highway money if the speed limit wasn't lowered to 55 (at the time). They did the same thing with lowering the voting age to 18 until the 26th Amendment was ratified.
Similar to the pressure congress put on states to raise the drinking age to 21.
 
If they become employees fine

Then the school should be able to give them 2 weeks notice for under performance.

Also, everything they get is taxable. They don't pay taxes on everything now.

ok

2 weeks underperformance? There’s only so many D1 athletes.

agreed. They should pay taxes. Better than the underground shadow payments that exist now
 
It is not the colleges responsibility to get the less than 1 percent of the players ready for professional supports. It is for an education.
Now if we want to talk about player benefits already let’s. Tuition, room and board (more than regular students), trainers, sports psychologist, nutritionist, tutors for classes, priority registration, a stipend, medical, coaching and the list goes on. The amount a school spends on a player is enormous.
In a sense they already get substantial money for playing a sport they love. They just don’t get cash so they do not have to pay taxes. They also walk out debt free.
But as Carolina proved - the colleges aren't meeting their end of the bargain in providing the education. The players haven't created this mess in my opinion. The schools did because they got addicted to the money and didn't see or anticipate the gravy train running out. Also, the school may be putting out enormous amounts of cash on players with the legal benefits allowed, however it obviously is worth it as they keep doing it and are fighting tooth and nail to keep the status quo. Sonny Vaccaro was right - schools are greedy. They can act as if they are taking the high road but they would reach down to save a nickel just like everyone else.
 
If the actors were bringing in ridiculous profits for the university I would say the same thing.
I can't wait to see the legislation that includes a provision about "ridiculous" profits. Courts are going to love interpreting that! Or maybe you can draw a line, and then people will know they had better not generate one dollar more in revenue, else they'd be in the ridiculous category.

Or is the problem with how the money is used? Is it OK for revenues to be used to fund sports that don't generate revenue, and without which those sports probably wouldn't exist? What about funds used to maintain or develop the programs that do generate revenue? Is it OK to fund a volleyball team, but not to build a $10 million practice facility that keep the golden goose laying?

Rhetorical questions. And I hope I didn't misinterpret your use of the word "profits", to mean net of those athletic department expenses.
 
In addition to what TexanMark said, universities in other parts of the world don't have the competition levels we do partly because of the extensive club system for sports in their countries. I would hazard a guess that soccer at Oxford is barely above the intramural level here because anyone with any soccer ability approaching what we have at our collegiate level is either playing for a low division pro/semi-pro club or in the academy system of one of the EPL teams.

6 year olds enter the academy system in England if they have any sense of game. Most other countries have similar feeder programs. The athletes are in essence segregated from the colleges and are put on a trade like path.

We also don't force students to decide what type of vocation they want to pursue earlier like other developed countries.

I suspect if colleges pay athletes, the system collapses and the teams develop some sort of academy system. The MLS already has one off the ground. IMG has built something as well to do this.
 
I can't wait to see the legislation that includes a provision about "ridiculous" profits. Courts are going to love interpreting that! Or maybe you can draw a line, and then people will know they had better not generate one dollar more in revenue, else they'd be in the ridiculous category.

Or is the problem with how the money is used? Is it OK for revenues to be used to fund sports that don't generate revenue, and without which those sports probably wouldn't exist? What about funds used to maintain or develop the programs that do generate revenue? Is it OK to fund a volleyball team, but not to build a $10 million practice facility that keep the golden goose laying?

Rhetorical questions. And I hope I didn't misinterpret your use of the word "profits", to mean net of those athletic department expenses.
When I write a legal filing/response trust me I wouldn’t talk the way I do when I post.

I don’t get your point though. I never said football shouldn’t subsidize the other sports. All I said is the players generating that substantial amount of revenue should get a tiny piece of it.
 
When I write a legal filing/response trust me I wouldn’t talk the way I do when I post.

I don’t get your point though. I never said football shouldn’t subsidize the other sports. All I said is the players generating that substantial amount of revenue should get a tiny piece of it.


Serious question - how much? I posted what JB said. Sounds like some kids (if he's right) can pocket $3400 a month tax free.

The Johnny Manzel outliers aside, what does your starting RG, 1st center off the bench at Michigan, etc get in your model?
 
Serious question - how much? I posted what JB said. Sounds like some kids (if he's right) can pocket $3400 a month tax free.

The Johnny Manzel outliers aside, what does your starting RG, 1st center off the bench at Michigan, etc get in your model?
I want a media reporter(hint Syracuse.com writers who read here for their stories) to verify that Jim Boeheim statement.

He is saying the players get 1400 dollars a month.
That would be 1400 from August to May or 11,200 dollars.
I don’t believe that.

I would give football players a stipend per game and travel stipend for family.

I would base the number based on how much revenue the conferences disperse to their members each year so the number wouldn’t be too large.
 
I want a media reporter(hint Syracuse.com writers who read here for their stories) to verify that Jim Boeheim statement.

He is saying the players get 1400 dollars a month.
That would be 1400 from August to May or 11,200 dollars.
I don’t believe that.

I would give football players a stipend per game and travel stipend for family.

I would base the number based on how much revenue the conferences disperse to their members each year so the number wouldn’t be too large.


OK - it's a start :)

How about lax? There are kids all over Northern Virginia wearing Syracuse lax gear, wearing #22. Outside of a random UVa kid, you don't see anything else. How does Chase Scanlon do in the marketplace next to the kid who left SU for Notre Dame?
 
OK - it's a start :)

How about lax? There are kids all over Northern Virginia wearing Syracuse lax gear, wearing #22. Outside of a random UVa kid, you don't see anything else. How does Chase Scanlon do in the marketplace next to the kid who left SU for Notre Dame?
How about those kids get actual full scholarships since lacrosse scholarships are typically split up.

I don’t think Lax kids bring in revenue but if they make their school’s program get into the black then a stipend for them wouldn’t be an issue

Same for UConn women’s basketball players.

Back to the previous message I don’t believe men’s basketball players get a stipend of 11,200 dollars during the academic year and a full athletic scholarship.
That would be reported.
 
How about those kids get actual full scholarships since lacrosse scholarships are typically split up.

I don’t think Lax kids bring in revenue but if they make their school’s program get into the black then a stipend for them wouldn’t be an issue

Same for UConn women’s basketball players.

Back to the previous message I don’t believe men’s basketball players get a stipend of 11,200 dollars during the academic year and a full athletic scholarship.
That would be reported.

I think most of the lax guys at Syracuse are getting a scholarship and other grants to make it pretty much a free ride.

I used to go to Kimmel with a lax guy from the mid 90s and we would buy 5 snapples at a time bc he had constantly filled up SU Food card. Was always so envious of that and the kitsch they got yearly from nike.
 
How about those kids get actual full scholarships since lacrosse scholarships are typically split up.

I don’t think Lax kids bring in revenue but if they make their school’s program get into the black then a stipend for them wouldn’t be an issue

Same for UConn women’s basketball players.

Back to the previous message I don’t believe men’s basketball players get a stipend of 11,200 dollars during the academic year and a full athletic scholarship.
That would be reported.


Agree about Cuse lax and UConn women. Both are a bit of outliers but they exist.
 
I think most of the lax guys at Syracuse are getting a scholarship and other grants to make it pretty much a free ride.

I used to go to Kimmel with a lax guy from the mid 90s and we would buy 5 snapples at a time bc he had constantly filled up SU Food card. Was always so envious of that and the kitsch they got yearly from nike.
Don't know about the other grants, but Lax has 12.6 scholarships to distribute to the entire team. There's not that much money to give anyone a total free ride.
 
How about those kids get actual full scholarships since lacrosse scholarships are typically split up.

I don’t think Lax kids bring in revenue but if they make their school’s program get into the black then a stipend for them wouldn’t be an issue

Same for UConn women’s basketball players.

Back to the previous message I don’t believe men’s basketball players get a stipend of 11,200 dollars during the academic year and a full athletic scholarship.
That would be reported.

It’s not really an 11,000 stipend, it’s a creative use of the board portion of the athletic scholarship. The NCAA changed the food rules for athletes (including walk ons) about 5 years ago, which allowed the athletic departments to provide them with essentially unlimited meals. This is in addition to the meal plan cost included in their scholarship. So the athletes eat the meals provided by the athletic department and can then take the meal plan portion of the room and board in cash. SU’s 3/day meal plan is about 5000 per semester. So the scholarship athletes can get this amount in cash payments. The walk ons benefit by not having to buy a meal plan.

In addition the this amount, they also get a full cost of attendance stipend. At SU that’s only a couple thousand a year.
 
It’s not really an 11,000 stipend, it’s a creative use of the board portion of the athletic scholarship. The NCAA changed the food rules for athletes (including walk ons) about 5 years ago, which allowed the athletic departments to provide them with essentially unlimited meals. This is in addition to the meal plan cost included in their scholarship. So the athletes eat the meals provided by the athletic department and can then take the meal plan portion of the room and board in cash. SU’s 3/day meal plan is about 5000 per semester. So the scholarship athletes can get this amount in cash payments. The walk ons benefit by not having to buy a meal plan.

In addition the this amount, they also get a full cost of attendance stipend. At SU that’s only a couple thousand a year.
So basically the players can’t go to dining halls. They have to have food provided by the AD and use the meal money given to them to pay for anything else.

I am sure they have to buy their books for classes with money given to them to pay for that even if they don’t buy books.

The schools could and should give them more for all the revenue they bring in.
 
Don't know about the other grants, but Lax has 12.6 scholarships to distribute to the entire team. There's not that much money to give anyone a total free ride.

That's scholarships, not grant money. They also receive food benefits, stipends, etc. I think people like to gloss over the fringe benefits players get.

I'm not sure how the housing works with the scholarship money as well. All I know is they paid a fraction of what i paid in 1994
 
It’s not really an 11,000 stipend, it’s a creative use of the board portion of the athletic scholarship. The NCAA changed the food rules for athletes (including walk ons) about 5 years ago, which allowed the athletic departments to provide them with essentially unlimited meals. This is in addition to the meal plan cost included in their scholarship. So the athletes eat the meals provided by the athletic department and can then take the meal plan portion of the room and board in cash. SU’s 3/day meal plan is about 5000 per semester. So the scholarship athletes can get this amount in cash payments. The walk ons benefit by not having to buy a meal plan.

In addition the this amount, they also get a full cost of attendance stipend. At SU that’s only a couple thousand a year.


If the cost for UV living is less than dorms do the players get the balance?
 
I agree. Set up a G league situation for all major sports.

Either play for pay or go to college.

Its a choice. Im ok with paying the kids 500 a week on top of everything else they get. Im also ok with the NCAA taking 5% of the TV revenue for football and basketball and funding a group insurance policy for athletes.

Im not ok with free agency for college kids. Let them have the choice. But dont create a situation that isn't uniform for all scholarship.
 
I agree. Set up a G league situation for all major sports.

Either play for pay or go to college.

Its a choice. Im ok with paying the kids 500 a week on top of everything else they get. Im also ok with the NCAA taking 5% of the TV revenue for football and basketball and funding a group insurance policy for athletes.

Im not ok with free agency for college kids. Let them have the choice. But dont create a situation that isn't uniform for all scholarship.

its already free agency for college kids. Let’s deal with reality.
 

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