Cooney = Deshaun Williams in conference play as a 3 point shooter | Syracusefan.com

Cooney = Deshaun Williams in conference play as a 3 point shooter

Millhouse said:
This is pretty amazing

Cooney conference 3 point stats
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trevor-cooney-1.html
Career
86-284
30.3%
in 47 conf games

Williams conference 3 point stats at SU
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/pl...1=points_avg&chart2=minutes_avg&chart3=fg_pct
Career
76 - 249
30.5%
in 48 conf games
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I started a thread over the summer (that I can't seem to find) that Cooney and DeShaun are very similar players offensively. I know that makes people uncomfortable to hear.
 
through 25 games cooney is ranked #30 IN the ACC CONFERENCE in 3 pt %. gbinije is #5. some marksman.
(70th in overall fg%) again this is just in conference.
 
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I wonder what his stats are on shots not taken under duress, seems like by end of games he is missing those too but lately he is starting out making them. His degree if defaulty is off the charts most of the time.
 
gilardino said:
however the BIGGEST DIFFERENCE is Williams was a horrible teammate and not liked
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I'm actually surprised it took someone a full 8 minutes to say that in response to Millhouse's post. I figured 2 or 3 minutes tops.
 
upperdeck said:
I wonder what his stats are on shots not taken under duress, seems like by end of games he is missing those too but lately he is starting out making them. His degree if defaulty is off the charts most of the time.
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a lot of that is his own doing. other posters compare him to mcnamara but i really do think mcnamara actually was forced into taking so many bad shots because the rest of those later teams was so out to lunch

if cooney were a great shooter, he'd be better from the line. hard to explain gbinije though in that regard
 
Eric15 said:
I started a thread over the summer (that I can't seem to find) that Cooney and DeShaun are very similar players offensively. I know that makes people uncomfortable to hear.
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over the summer a lot of people expected that to change.

cooney shot 43% in acc play his first 4 games. last 8 games, 26%

slide started earlier this year

how many players could jmac their way to 4 memorable outbursts in a couple years if they could shoot as much as him?

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I'd take 5 Cooneys over 1 Deshaun Williams - in fact I'd take Tyrone Albright & that Reese kid every day over Deshaun Williams. That is, unless one thinks stats tell a players true impact and value on a team. Whitehead is shooting 39% from 3 for Seton Hall better than Cooney or Williams- obviously who wouldn't want him on your team:bat:
 
I know cooney forces shots, but to think him forcing shots doesnt open up room for G or Rak is crazy too.. they flat out ignore the other guards, they ignore BJ, they ignore Roberson, even G who is shooting lights out gets open chances and is mostly shooting balanced set shots.

his FT numbers should be better, i think he loses focus, i do wonder what 10 min less a game would do or maybe even 10 less miles a game running
 
Cheriehoop said:
I'd take 5 Cooneys over 1 Deshaun Williams - in fact I'd take Tyrone Albright & that Reese kid every day over Deshaun Williams. That is, unless one thinks stats tell a players true impact and value on a team. Whitehead is shooting 39% from 3 for Seton Hall better than Cooney or Williams- obviously who wouldn't want him on your team:bat:
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my point was that most people would wrongly assume that cooney is clearly a better shooter than deyawn which would make all the other character related stuff moot

the fact that we need to even bother pointing out that williams was a worse teammate shows just how bad cooney's shooting is in conference play

james thues in conference play at SU was 33%.

cooney can be a good teammate without shooting 9 or 10 3s a game
 
Cooney is a good kid and this year we have no other options to play SG. However JB should have given Gbinije more minutes at SG last year and be didn't. Grant/Fair/Ennis/Cooney were practically 40 minute guys and Christmas and Keita split the C duties.
JB should given Gbinije more minutes to develop at both PG and SG. He didn't and we are all playing the what if game.
This year Cooney has to play to 40 mpg but next week he shouldn't be a high a 30mpg player if he plays like this year.

MikeSu nailed it earlier Cooney is like a college version of Ricky Davis. He scores on lots of volume shots he will win you some games when hot and will kill you when he is cold.
 
Alsacs said:
Cooney is a good kid and this year we have no other options to play SG. However JB should have given Gbinije more minutes at SG last year and be didn't. Grant/Fair/Ennis/Cooney were practically 40 minute guys and Christmas and Keita split the C duties.
JB should given Gbinije more minutes to develop at both PG and SG. He didn't and we are all playing the what if game.
This year Cooney has to play to 40 mpg but next week he shouldn't be a high a 30mpg player if he plays like this year.

MikeSu nailed it earlier Cooney is like a college version of Ricky Davis. He scores on lots of volume shots he will win you some games when hot and will kill you when he is cold.
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sticking up for boeheim here - it's easy to forget how terrible gbinije's shooting was last year. he might've gotten more of those SG minutes if he hadn't shot as bad as cooney
 
Alsacs said:
Cooney is a good kid and this year we have no other options to play SG. However JB should have given Gbinije more minutes at SG last year and be didn't. Grant/Fair/Ennis/Cooney were practically 40 minute guys and Christmas and Keita split the C duties.
JB should given Gbinije more minutes to develop at both PG and SG. He didn't and we are all playing the what if game.
This year Cooney has to play to 40 mpg but next week he shouldn't be a high a 30mpg player if he plays like this year.

MikeSu nailed it earlier Cooney is like a college version of Ricky Davis. He scores on lots of volume shots he will win you some games when hot and will kill you when he is cold.
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He is 05-06 Mcnamara. He chucks up 2-3 shots that literally have no shot of going in. If his shot selection, and other guards (Joseph, Patterson) were better, I think he would be more efficient. I think he tries to carry the team at times by playing hero(Kobe) ball, and that just doesn't work at this level of basketball.
 
Millhouse said:
sticking up for boeheim here - it's easy to forget how terrible gbinije's shooting was last year. he might've gotten more of those SG minutes if he hadn't shot as bad as cooney
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How many minutes was G getting? Don't tell me Cooney's defense was better as Cooney is average at best on defense. G didn't get minutes to develop and we were all happy with the 25-0 and didn't care. When Cooney was slumping when did JB give G 25-30 minutes like he did Johnson over Roberson at BC last week.
JB went down with 6.5 guys last year. I wouldn't expect this years G game in and out but he had the slashing game last year.
 
Alsacs said:
How many minutes was G getting? Don't tell me Cooney's defense was better as Cooney is average at best on defense. G didn't get minutes to develop and we were all happy with the 25-0 and didn't care. When Cooney was slumping when did JB give G 25-30 minutes like he did Johnson over Roberson at BC last week.
JB went down with 6.5 guys last year. I wouldn't expect this years G game in and out but he had the slashing game last year.
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he got enough minutes to miss almost every 2 point shot he took down the stretch. cooney's collapse was more memorable but gbinije was terrible too
 
Millhouse said:
he got enough minutes to miss almost every 2 point shot he took down the stretch. cooney's collapse was more memorable but gbinije was terrible too
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The one good game he had was in the tournament, Boeheim played him 22 minutes and he scored 8 points going 4-5. He also lost his shoe late twice in that game and he was more worried about that than playing defense. Boeheim was still mad about the shoe incident in the offseason to note it in his book where he thought he should of had Trevor in over Mike at that time.

I just don't think Gbinije was totally with it last year. He wasn't aggressive enough when he played. He stayed out on the perimeter and tried to fit in with the rest of the team instead of taking advantage of his talent. Part of that may of been because he thought he had to defer to Ennis, Fair, Grant...
 
Millhouse said:
he got enough minutes to miss almost every 2 point shot he took down the stretch. cooney's collapse was more memorable but gbinije was terrible too
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2014
G's minutes last 10 games
17,15,20,27,30,21,9,11,15,22
Cooney's minutes last 10 games
35,31,40,38,34,35,36,30,27,25

G didn't get a chance to play more SG. JB played G when Fair or Grant had Foul trouble or Ennis needed a blow.
I still say when Cooney use stuffing JB didn't give G a chance to take some of his minutes.
 
Alsacs said:
2014
G's minutes last 10 games
17,15,20,27,30,21,9,11,15,22
Cooney's minutes last 10 games
35,31,40,38,34,35,36,30,27,25

G didn't get a chance to play more SG. JB played G when Fair or Grant had Foul trouble or Ennis needed a blow.
I still say when Cooney use stuffing JB didn't give G a chance to take some of his minutes.
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he had enough minutes and shots to see that his slump was as bad or worse than cooney's
 
by using career averages, you have very cleverly (and intentionally) hidden the fact that DeShaun's shooting was on a declining scale, while Cooney's is on the upswing

Williams' conference 3 pt percentage by Season
99-00 .442
00-01 .269
01-02 .245

Cooney's conference 3 pt percentage by season
12-13 .216
13-14 .309
14-15 .324

has he been a great shooter? not by any stretch of the imagination, and it is very easy to be critical of his offensive play . . . but this is pretty piss poor trolling, Millhouse
 
moqui said:
by using career averages, you have very cleverly (and intentionally) hidden the fact that DeShaun's shooting was on a declining scale, while Cooney's is on the upswing

Williams' conference 3 pt percentage by Season
99-00 .442
00-01 .269
01-02 .245

Cooney's conference 3 pt percentage by season
12-13 .216
13-14 .309
14-15 .324

has he been a great shooter? not by any stretch of the imagination, and it is very easy to be critical of his offensive play . . . but this is pretty piss poor trolling, Millhouse
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how dare i look at syracuse players careers!

it doesn't matter how people perform over their whole careers, all that matters is starting really bad and getting better!

and if cooney didn't shoot so much early in his career, his later improvement would have more weight in his career numbers

but instead the guy jacks up so many threes every year
 
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Millhouse said:
and if cooney didn't shoot so much early in his career, his later improvement would have more weight in his career numbers

but instead the guy jacks up so many threes every year
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for both of them, their freshman years were exceptional . . . DeShaun's exceptionally good (.442 from three), Trevor's exceptionally poor (.216). You are smart & experienced enough to know that you have to examine your data before you do the analysis. But in this case, that would ruin your intention of twinning Cooney with a roundly disliked player. As I noted, it is easy to critique Cooney without stooping to this. I understand why you would be upset at being busted for it, but like I said - piss poor trolling.
 
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