Cooney = Deshaun Williams in conference play as a 3 point shooter

[Millhouse]

for both of them, their freshman years were exceptional . . . DeShaun's exceptionally good (.442 from three), Trevor's exceptionally poor (.216). You are smart & experienced enough to know that you have to examine your data before you do the analysis. But in this case, that would ruin your intention of twinning Cooney with a roundly disliked player. As I noted, it is easy to critique Cooney without stooping to this. I understand why you would be upset at being busted for it, but like I said - piss poor trolling.

i'm not upset. maybe you're the troll.

should we ignore that deshaun williams was good for a year?

i love that it's trolling to dare compare one SU guard to another SU guard when it's just so obbbbbbviously outraageous. heavens to betsy

 

[skurey]

We still have to play some very good defenses. I expect Cooney's % to go down.

 

[Upstate]

Bashing Cooney is now the cool thing to do now, or so it appears recently, I just can't imagine where this team would be without him. They're probably teetering on 6-7 fewer wins, and being blown out more often than not. He's hit a rough patch, for sure, but he's also won more than a few games this year single-handedly. I hope everyone who has been down on him shuts up when he hits 3s in the game or gets steals. If the board's going to get down on him here, don't cheer him in public.

Edited for clarity

 

[Alsacs]

Bashing Cooney is now the cool thing to do now, or so it appears, just imagine where this team would be without him. They're probably teetering on 6-7 fewer wins, and being blown out more often than not. He's hit a rough patch, for sure, but he's also won more than a few games this year single-handedly. I hope everyone here down on him shuts up when he hits 3s in the game or gets steals. If you're going to get down on him here, don't cheer him in public.

Rough patch? The kid is a solid player but millhouse stats are fair indicator he ranks 10th in FGA and like 200th in FG%. We don't have any other bodies to play. If you flipped Cooney with some body like Olivia Hanlan from BC this team likely has the same record.
He is a solid player but not a guy who should be playing high 30mpg.

 

[Millhouse]

Bashing Cooney is now the cool thing to do now, or so it appears, just imagine where this team would be without him. They're probably teetering on 6-7 fewer wins, and being blown out more often than not. He's hit a rough patch, for sure, but he's also won more than a few games this year single-handedly. I hope everyone here down on him shuts up when he hits 3s in the game or gets steals. If you're going to get down on him here, don't cheer him in public.

williams played guard at SU. comparing career numbers isn't bashing

 

[Upstate]

williams played guard at SU. comparing career numbers isn't bashing

These Cooney threads ALWAYS, ALWAYS head in that direction because he can be so polarizing, so it was more preemptive than anything. I don't think there's been an SU player who has been such a priority for a defense from beyond the 3-point arc than Cooney has been. I think a more appropriate way of breaking down his stats is not simply by going game-by-game, but rather half-by-half. I wouldn't place the entire blame on Cooney, and I think this was mentioned above, that he shouldn't be playing this many minutes in the first place, and long-range shooting is usually the first thing to drop-off in that case. It has to be difficult, trying to squeeze as many wins from this season as humanly possible, and not have your game suffer because you never really get a rest.

 

[Cusefan0307]

What two guard doesn't get bashed at Syracuse? Cooney, triche, rautins, devo, even dion, it's continuously the most polarizing position with the fans on this team.

 

[SUSScuse]

I don't even know why this is so important as this team isn't going to dance anyway. I once new a poster on this board that wouldn't watch SU basketball play in the NIT as it wasn't the big tournament.
We all cant be the "Fair weather fan".
Cooooooney is the guy people love to hate this year.
I remember the same stuff dealt out to Scoooooop.
Must be the ooooooooo factor.

 

[moqui]

i'm not upset. maybe you're the troll.

should we ignore that deshaun williams was good for a year?

i love that it's trolling to dare compare one SU guard to another SU guard when it's just so obbbbbbviously outraageous. heavens to betsy

you purposely chose Williams, because he is an unpopular figure. You could have chosen, say, Brandon Triche, who shot a career .307 from three in conference play. But Triche is a popular player, and that does not suit your apparent narrative.

Again, Cooney is not above critique and his shooting percentage is certainly fair game. But deceptive posts are not above critique, either.

 

[Ghost]

What do you do when

I'd take 5 Cooneys over 1 Deshaun Williams - in fact I'd take Tyrone Albright & that Reese kid every day over Deshaun Williams. That is, unless one thinks stats tell a players true impact and value on a team. Whitehead is shooting 39% from 3 for Seton Hall better than Cooney or Williams- obviously who wouldn't want him on your team:bat:

Reese? Most overrated walk-on ever!!!

 

[Ghost]

These Cooney threads ALWAYS, ALWAYS head in that direction because he can be so polarizing, so it was more preemptive than anything. I don't think there's been an SU player who has been such a priority for a defense from beyond the 3-point arc than Cooney has been. I think a more appropriate way of breaking down his stats is not simply by going game-by-game, but rather half-by-half. I wouldn't place the entire blame on Cooney, and I think this was mentioned above, that he shouldn't be playing this many minutes in the first place, and long-range shooting is usually the first thing to drop-off in that case. It has to be difficult, trying to squeeze as many wins from this season as humanly possible, and not have your game suffer because you never really get a rest.

I think people exaggerate this point.

I do think coaches game plan for Cooney, but I would imagine it goes a bit like how we're going to game plan that 10 foot tall kid on Wake Forest that hit a billion threes against us.

We're going to tell our players - don't let that foot hit a ton of threes, stay in his grill. I mean, we play zone, so he's probably going to hit 5 next game too, but you get my point. A lot of players get that treatment. Cooney is just kind of easy to overplay because he ain't making you pay for it. As long as he doesn't get his feet set for a jumper - you win most times.

 

[anomander]

I think that's a pretty tough comparison for Cooney since he is the focal point of every defense every single night. The kid is harassed all night long. The amount of work he has to do to even get a shot off is unlike anyone we've had since maybe McNamara.

Maybe my memory is shot, but I don't remember DeShaun being tagged over ball screens, being face guarded, or had his defenders give no help defense.

While the numbers are the numbers, Cooney is responsible for opening things up for others. That's something DeShaun just didn't do.

 

[MSOrange]

I think that's a pretty tough comparison for Cooney since he is the focal point of every defense every single night. The kid is harassed all night long. The amount of work he has to do to even get a shot off is unlike anyone we've had since maybe McNamara.

Maybe my memory is shot, but I don't remember DeShaun being tagged over ball screens, being face guarded, or had his defenders give no help defense.

While the numbers are the numbers, Cooney is responsible for opening things up for others. That's something DeShaun just didn't do.

DeShaun had Shumpert as another shooting threat to support him at least.

 

[anomander]

DeShaun had Shumpert as another shooting threat to support him at least.

Definitely. I do think Gbinijle should give Cooney a big thank you for the type of season he is having.

 

[Jake]

Pretty interesting numbers Milly. Lots of other factors at play with both players, but those shooting numbers are interesting.

 

[MikeSU02]

I think that's a pretty tough comparison for Cooney since he is the focal point of every defense every single night. The kid is harassed all night long. The amount of work he has to do to even get a shot off is unlike anyone we've had since maybe McNamara.

Maybe my memory is shot, but I don't remember DeShaun being tagged over ball screens, being face guarded, or had his defenders give no help defense.

While the numbers are the numbers, Cooney is responsible for opening things up for others. That's something DeShaun just didn't do.

Cooney being the focal point of each defense each game just isn't true.

It looks like he's harassed all game long because he can't get separation from his man and he doesn't have the ability to break people down off the dribble so his man can get in his grill.

Believe me, with his percentages, coaches should want him to continue to take high volume of shots.

 

[RoysRunts]

This is pretty amazing

Cooney conference 3 point stats
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trevor-cooney-1.html
Career
86-284
30.3%
in 47 conf games

Williams conference 3 point stats at SU
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/pl...1=points_avg&chart2=minutes_avg&chart3=fg_pct
Career
76 - 249
30.5%
in 48 conf games

 

[RoysRunts]

What do you do when


Reese? Most overrated walk-on ever!!!

Maybe you should post Deshaun's turnovers forced/unforced or otherwise some people have a short memory of Deshauns Play on the worst team in the BoeHeim era

 

[Jake]

Cooney being the focal point of each defense each game just isn't true. It looks like he's harassed all game long because he can't get separation from his man and he doesn't have the ability to break people down off the dribble so his man can get in his grill. Believe me, with his percentages, coaches should want him to continue to take high volume of shots.

Meh. He's absolutely at the top of opposing scouting reports each game. The #1 priority is to not lose him in the half court...and pick him up as soon as he crosses mid court when he's off the ball on the break. His guy rarely doubles down and offers help to scrape when Rak has the ball. He's the one guy other teams don't want going off and getting into a rhythm.

Teams have chosen to double from Robersons defender or Gbinje...which is why both have gotten as many looks as they have. Gbinje gets a lot of baseline looks in the half court.

Would think teams may start rethinking the scrape from Gbinje's defender now...which should really free up Roberson...because almost no one is playing Rak straight up.

Cooney hasn't been able to get free, but to say he's not the top defensive assignment would be incorrect. The problem is that he is defendable if you spy him with an athletic defender with foot speed.

 

[anomander]

Cooney being the focal point of each defense each game just isn't true.

It looks like he's harassed all game long because he can't get separation from his man and he doesn't have the ability to break people down off the dribble so his man can get in his grill.

Believe me, with his percentages, coaches should want him to continue to take high volume of shots.

How do you figure? I'm willing to bet on every opposing teams game plan Cooney is either point 1 or 2, with Rak being the other one. And if you are saying teams aren't game planning for Cooney then i don't know what to tell you. Defenders don't face guard, tag over ball screens, or give no help defense on their own. Those are all coaching instructions. When is the last time we have seen someone drive and kick to Cooney? Driving lanes on Cooney's side are wide open. Sure he may be taking some bad shots, but he's having to work so hard to get a shot off, that as soon as he sees daylight he is letting it fly. I'm sure he's frustrated as hell right now.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Meh. He's absolutely at the top of opposing scouting reports each game. The #1 priority is to not lose him in the half court...and pick him up as soon as he crosses mid court when he's off the ball on the break. His guy rarely doubles down and offers help to scrape when Rak has the ball. He's the one guy other teams don't want going off and getting into a rhythm.

Teams have chosen to double from Robersons defender or Gbinje...which is why both have gotten as many looks as they have. Gbinje gets a lot of baseline looks in the half court.

Would think teams may start rethinking the scrape from Gbinje's defender now...which should really free up Roberson...because almost no one is playing Rak straight up.

Cooney hasn't been able to get free, but to say he's not the top defensive assignment would be incorrect. The problem is that he is defendable if you spy him with an athletic defender with foot speed.

He could help himself if he could improve coming off screens and curls. This year his foot work, shoulders, and balance aren't on point as when he is catching the ball coming into his shot. His handling of the ball in traffic lately has been spotty. I still think he can improve his handle, so he can still become a better player, but ultimately this year I think he feels the pressure to do too much for this team and it hurts his efficiency.

 

[skurey]

It looks like he's harassed all game long because he can't get separation from his man and he doesn't have the ability to break people down off the dribble so his man can get in his grill.

This so much. If he could make his man pay for being all up in his grill then the team and his performance would vastly improve.

 

[SoBeCuse]

He could help himself if he could improve coming off screens and curls. This year his foot work, shoulders, and balance aren't on point as when he is catching the ball coming into his shot. His handling of the ball in traffic lately has been spotty. I still think he can improve his handle, so he can still become a better player, but ultimately this year I think he feels the pressure to do too much for this team and it hurts his efficiency.

Also, if he would pump fake every now and again he would send a defender flying by him or into him when he's running around those curls/screens about to hoist another off balanced three. I think he is deceptively athletic (sometimes awkward in the open court) but like Jake mentioned; if you put an athletic defender on him with good foot speed like that Clemson guy then it's over.

 

[orangehomer]

wasn't cooney not even quite a top 100 recruit? at the time I thought we were getting a more athletic andy rautins (andy had like no offers besides us and providence if I remember right). I think cooney is a big athletic kid that can sort of shoot, but that's about it, he strikes me as too stiff to be a great basketball player and he doesn't have generally a good feel for the game. I think he generally fits where he was recruited. and I think he was recruited to be a gunner off the bench rather than a 40-minute guy.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Meh. He's absolutely at the top of opposing scouting reports each game. The #1 priority is to not lose him in the half court...and pick him up as soon as he crosses mid court when he's off the ball on the break. His guy rarely doubles down and offers help to scrape when Rak has the ball. He's the one guy other teams don't want going off and getting into a rhythm.

Teams have chosen to double from Robersons defender or Gbinje...which is why both have gotten as many looks as they have. Gbinje gets a lot of baseline looks in the half court.

Would think teams may start rethinking the scrape from Gbinje's defender now...which should really free up Roberson...because almost no one is playing Rak straight up.

Cooney hasn't been able to get free, but to say he's not the top defensive assignment would be incorrect. The problem is that he is defendable if you spy him with an athletic defender with foot speed.

Which is why it makes no sense when we don't put cooney and rak on the same side of the court together every possession