Cooney smh

[tbonezone]

trevor still avg'd 36 minutes in those 8 games in 2014. last 2 years he basically doesn't sit at all second half.
(we'll crunch march next month).

 

[SBU72]

He handles the ball more because he's better at it.

I thought Cooney had been playing fine this year and I'm one of his biggest "haters". He wasn't taking a ton of shots of games, was the 3rd or 4th option on offense and even hit some huge 3s in close games with 2-3 minutes left.

I don't disagree. Richardson is better handling the ball, but saying his "5" assists versus 1 indicates he had a better game, is not right. And I too think Cooney is playing better this year. His defense alone is worthy of keeping him on the floor. And by the way, all the talk everybody talks about how we were feed a line about how good a shooter he is, apparently the opposition believes it to considering all the energy they put into guarding him. If they thought like many here they would let him shoot more.

 

[Alsacs]

I don't disagree. Richardson is better handling the ball, but saying his "5" assists versus 1 indicates he had a better game, is not right. And I too think Cooney is playing better this year. His defense alone is worthy of keeping him on the floor. And by the way, all the talk everybody talks about how we were feed a line about how good a shooter he is, apparently the opposition believes it to considering all the energy they put into guarding him. If they thought like many here they would let him shoot more.

Teams just put a guy on guy him and becomes defended. There is no reason to give any player an open look as shooting open looks isn't hard.

Cooney has been betrayed by the SU coaches who haven't recruited good options behind him thus he has been the only option for all those minutes.

His defense in the zone is not that good. Teams will attack his side more than G's. I am not saying he is awful I would say his D is just okay which is fine but not worthy alone to keep him on the floor if we had other viable options.

I said earlier in the week Pitt was an awful matchup for Cooney because they play tough defense and he wouldn't get any open looks. Cooney should get more shots in transition before the D is set but we play a slower tempo thus most of shots come in a halfcourt offense with a guy on him.

 

[br801]

I don't disagree. Richardson is better handling the ball, but saying his "5" assists versus 1 indicates he had a better game, is not right. And I too think Cooney is playing better this year. His defense alone is worthy of keeping him on the floor. And by the way, all the talk everybody talks about how we were feed a line about how good a shooter he is, apparently the opposition believes it to considering all the energy they put into guarding him. If they thought like many here they would let him shoot more.

Stop it. Everybody knows there are dozens of posters on this board who know more about basketball than most college coaches.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I don't disagree. Richardson is better handling the ball, but saying his "5" assists versus 1 indicates he had a better game, is not right. And I too think Cooney is playing better this year. His defense alone is worthy of keeping him on the floor. And by the way, all the talk everybody talks about how we were feed a line about how good a shooter he is, apparently the opposition believes it to considering all the energy they put into guarding him. If they thought like many here they would let him shoot more.

The big difference is that Cooney doesn't pass to set up other players for a shot. It's always just a dump pass for him back to the guard when his shot isn't open. He NEVER looks inside and he NEVER gives up the ball on his rare drives and he NEVER passes the ball to the big running the floor in front of him, so of course he isn't getting any assists. The only assists he gets are when G takes a shot off of the pass he got from Cooney.

 

[tbonezone]

cooney in february :

2014 fg% (32/77) 42 % , 3pt% (22/54*) 41%
2015 fg% (32/107) 30% , 3pt% (13/70) 19%
2016** fg% (15/53) 28% , 3 pt% (12/42) 29%

* (includes his 9/12 game against the irish.)
** (2 games remaining)

well it's not very difficult to extrapolate some data from the above 2016 numbers. so far 5 feb games :
53 shots. 42 were treys. 15 makes. 12 were treys. thats just 3 baskets inside the arc in 5 games x 38 minutes.

 

[djcon57]

I don't disagree. Richardson is better handling the ball, but saying his "5" assists versus 1 indicates he had a better game, is not right. And I too think Cooney is playing better this year. His defense alone is worthy of keeping him on the floor. And by the way, all the talk everybody talks about how we were feed a line about how good a shooter he is, apparently the opposition believes it to considering all the energy they put into guarding him. If they thought like many here they would let him shoot more.

How about "we" have been fed the "Cooney gets defended by the best player" and "Cooney opens up the lanes" and "Just wait until Cooney gets more shooters around him"...and the new one, "Cooney needs a post game"


So basically once you add it up, pretty much looks like the answer is Cooney is a streaky shooter who sometimes looks amazing, other times not so much a.k.a. what some of us have been saying for 3 years.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The big difference is that Cooney doesn't pass to set up other players for a shot. It's always just a dump pass for him back to the guard when his shot isn't open. He NEVER looks inside and he NEVER gives up the ball on his rare drives and he NEVER passes the ball to the big running the floor in front of him, so of course he isn't getting any assists. The only assists he gets are when G takes a shot off of the pass he got from Cooney.

He was earlier in the season. I was really encouraged by it, but at this point he isn't really helping to set anyone else up.

 

[sugrad68]

How about "we" have been fed the "Cooney gets defended by the best player" and "Cooney opens up the lanes" and "Just wait until Cooney gets more shooters around him"...and the new one, "Cooney needs a post game"


So basically once you add it up, pretty much looks like the answer is Cooney is a streaky shooter who sometimes looks amazing, other times not so much a.k.a. what some of us have been saying for 3 years.

So true. We've seen it for almost 4 years and his play is not going to change in the few games remaining in his career. He is the ultimate streak shooter and he can be a major contributor to a win or a loss. We can only hope that if Cooney's shooting is off, G, Lydon and Richardson are on.

 

[AlaskaSU]

The only guy who gets any sort of playing time with a worse shooting % is Howard. We got sold a bill of goods on this alleged shooter.

Howard is to basketball offense as I am to golf; not good enough for a handicap. We should not count his shooting percentage. Give him a Mulligan.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

people think cooney is a good shooter because he has just as much chance as hitting a 25 footer with a hand in his face as he is a 21 foot open jumper

 

[Forza Azzurri]

cooney in february :

2014 fg% (32/77) 42 % , 3pt% (22/54*) 41%
2015 fg% (32/107) 30% , 3pt% (13/70) 19%
2016** fg% (15/53) 28% , 3 pt% (12/42) 29%

* (includes his 9/12 game against the irish.)
** (2 games remaining)

I have him at 12/37 for Feb. How do you get 12/42?

 

[SBU72]

His defense in the zone is not that good. Teams will attack his side more than G's. I am not saying he is awful I would say his D is just okay which is fine but not worthy alone to keep him on the floor if we had other viable options.

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Gee, lets see, attack the side that has the ACC #1 thief or attack the other side? He is not #3 on that same list because he is "an ok" defender. And what viable options are there from the defensive point of view? Richardson is not as good. Nor Thomas. Nether as freshmen have the experience that Cooney has.

 

[Brooky03]

How about "we" have been fed the "Cooney gets defended by the best player" and "Cooney opens up the lanes" and "Just wait until Cooney gets more shooters around him"...and the new one, "Cooney needs a post game"


So basically once you add it up, pretty much looks like the answer is Cooney is a streaky shooter who sometimes looks amazing, other times not so much a.k.a. what some of us have been saying for 3 years.

This is the breakdown:

- 50% of posters think he's the worst thing to ever happen to Syracuse basketball and are pretty sure he hasn't made a 3 pointer in 24 years.
- 49% of posters think he's a streaky shooter who has some value but needs the right personnel around him to play well.
- 1% think he's pretty good.

FTR, I'm in the 49%.

 

[Dave85]

This is the breakdown:

- 50% of posters think he's the worst thing to ever happen to Syracuse basketball and are pretty sure he hasn't made a 3 pointer in 24 years.
- 49% of posters think he's a streaky shooter who has some value but needs the right personnel around him to play well.
- 1% think he's pretty good.

FTR, I'm in the 49%.

Cooney is terrific on defense. At this point in the season and his career Cooney is beyond criticism in my opinion. I think he's been a solid contributor and I'm please we've had him all 5 years.

 

[JoeSU]

I dont even watch TCs shot anymore. I just watch his head, if it drifts all over the place, esp away from the basket, i know in all likelihood the shots not going in. When he elevates less and doesnt drift his % is good. He was drifting all over the place today

I pointed this out to my wife 2 years ago. I think he gets frustrated sometimes when being closely guarded, and will launch shots when he is still moving sideways coming off a screen. Every now and then one of these shots goes in, which only encourages him more. When he's in a groove it doesn't matter, but most of the time these are simply not high percentage shots.

 

[kcsu]

The coon dog will hunt all day his right arm will never tire i just hope that he starts to find the rim these last few games. Another poster said that he was set up to fail. If he would have come in as being heralded as a good all around G vs a shooter i dont think he would get the flack that he does. The bottom line is that he is not a very good shooter. Actually shooting the ball might be the worst part of his game.

 

[MikeSU02]

Cooney is who he is. He would have been perfect to play with a team of shooters at their proper positions. He would have destroyed teams on catch and shoots and receiving the pass on drive and kicks. He was either asked or tried to do too much and it manifested itself as inefficient play.

Kudos to him, no matter what. He's been here five years. He works hard. He has had some memorable games that no one can take away. I would like to see him and G get a shot at the tourney because they would leave it all on the floor, no doubt.

Any player that sticks it out here and doesn't bring shame to the program deserves a place in the SU family in perpetuity.

 

[Ghost]

The coon dog will hunt all day his right arm will never tire i just hope that he starts to find the rim these last few games. Another poster said that he was set up to fail. If he would have come in as being heralded as a good all around G vs a shooter i dont think he would get the flack that he does. The bottom line is that he is not a very good shooter. Actually shooting the ball might be the worst part of his game.

I think he would get more flack - he's not anywhere close to approaching a good all around guard. Defensively he's adequate. Otherwise, shooting is about all you get. He has shown some more this year, but his all-around floor game is about as complete as Howard's shot. Still, he's our boy, and he's got some games to go - he's shown he can get it going, hopefully he catches fire for the stretch run! He's a 5th year Senior, he's capable! Same with G - he's been painfully up and down of late.

Yesterday was all about the offensive rebounding though. We got crushed on the boards. We can survive Cooney having an off game like that, probably even Richardson against a limited team like Pitt with Lydon picking up a ton of slack. With 1-3 having so-so efforts though, we were done. If we rebound even moderately well early, most SU teams, heck even this team, may have been able to build a gigantic lead. It's deflating to play defense, give the ball back, play defense give the ball back...rinse repeat, like that until that early lead is gone.

 

[ForeverOrange]

Not too long ago this script applied to Gmac against Pitt and Uconn. So much deja vu in this thread. Imo we are just missing a real pg, too many players just tossing up shots because the clock is running down, instead of having a pg who can break down a defense, get people in their spots and get them the ball.

 

[realorange]

I think he would get more flack - he's not anywhere close to approaching a good all around guard. Defensively he's adequate. Otherwise, shooting is about all you get. He has shown some more this year, but his all-around floor game is about as complete as Howard's shot. Still, he's our boy, and he's got some games to go - he's shown he can get it going, hopefully he catches fire for the stretch run! He's a 5th year Senior, he's capable! Same with G - he's been painfully up and down of late.

Yesterday was all about the offensive rebounding though. We got crushed on the boards. We can survive Cooney having an off game like that, probably even Richardson against a limited team like Pitt with Lydon picking up a ton of slack. With 1-3 having so-so efforts though, we were done. If we rebound even moderately well early, most SU teams, heck even this team, may have been able to build a gigantic lead. It's deflating to play defense, give the ball back, play defense give the ball back...rinse repeat, like that until that early lead is gone.

Again, someone who knows more than JB. Speaking of G and Trevor: "They're both very, very good defensive players."

 

[Ghost]

Again, someone who knows more than JB. Speaking of G and Trevor: "They're both very, very good defensive players."

Nobody said that. Get over yourself.

Yeah, and Roberson would never play a minute if we had anyone else. And Otto Porter is the greatest all-around player JB's ever seen in Big East history. And TC is a pretty good shooter and nobody knows it. Etc...

Howard got pulled for giving up an open three, TC comes in, gives up the exact same three to Robinson after watching Howard get pulled for it. He's adequate - if you want to go with very, very good, fine. If JB does, that's fine too. He may be! I'll give a good/adequate. He was pretty bad though during our 4-5 run, and looked like he was wearing 20 pound weights on his ankles against UL against their guards. I wouldn't give "very, very good" for that....He's fine - he's not some game changing disruptive force out there.