Cooney...

[rrlbees]

I think it was there.

The problem was the ball movement seemed to be focused on getting Cooney an open three, which happened several times.

I think that our guards (Cooney, Gbinije and Ennis) should drive and penetrate then find someone like Christmas whose gained position in the paint to finish.

Fair, Grant and Xmas are all great down low when they are given the ball in position. Its the guards jobs to create offense/opportunities.

Cooney should be around the perimeter to kick it out to. This is much like how it was with Rautins when we had AO or Jackson.

Not really. What we ran a lot of, especially late, was Boeheims "2 fists" offense. Do you know what we do when he holds up 2 fists? It's a double high. Rak and Grant at the 2 elbows. Cooney out on the far wing, usually right side, right in front of our bench. Then the 2 bigs set picks and try to free up Fair or Ennis to beat a man to the basket 1-1. It's an ISO play. Or we pick and roll. Sometimes it did get kicked out to Cooney for the 3. At least twice I saw JB encouraging Cooney to keep shooting. In fact he played the whole 2nd half because that ISO doesn't work at all without Cooney in the game. We ran that play almost exclusively the last 5 mins and when we finally got the run.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I feel like every time trevor misses a shot someone feels the need to start a thread to critique his game or say why he won't help us. Frankly it's getting old. Still don't win without him yesterday. Is Jerami Grant going to have problems in conference? He only had five yesterday.

We need Coleman back for ACC play. We are better with him starting. It makes the defense collapse when he makes a couple early.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Plus it was real cold out and everyone knows rims are softer in warm weather climates.

Hey, that's my theory you're ridiculing.

But I wasn't the one starting this rim thing, the announcers at Maui did, and then JB in his presser, said there was something going on there. No one has ever given the full reason why.

Someone in the Miami game thread postulated in the first half that we were going against the difficult rims while Miami had the easy side. I wasn't buying that one.

So until the results of SWC's analysis comes in, I'm going with it. What have you got?

 

[rrlbees]

So until the results of SWC's analysis comes in, I'm going with it. What have you got?

What do I have? When you said it and even up until yesterday's game, his 3 pt% was better in freezing Syracuse than Maui.

Two other things to consider. The rims are the same for every player on the court. And swishes don't care if the rims are soft or hard.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

What do I have? When you said it and even up until yesterday's game, his 3 pt% was better in freezing Syracuse than Maui.

Two other things to consider. The rims are the same for every player on the court. And swishes don't care if the rims are soft or hard.

I believe there could be a difference between how he (and others) do home vs away. That he does better at home.

I also believe that SU is a difficult venue compared to others. I believe this may be true because of two factors; 1 - our best 3 pt % player ever is only 47% (over 50 attempts) and secondly because of the numbers from SWC on free throw %. I believe both SU and our opponents had lower %'s at the dome than overall. That wasn't based on a small sample size.

I'm not sold that it is just the rims. But I do believe different venues can be easier than others.

So to Cooney's credit he has put up very good numbers at a difficult venue. Of concern is that, to date, his away figure percentage of 41% is composed entirely of makes made at an easy venue.

 

[MELOKEITH]

I like when Cooney remembers that he can drive too - he has shown an ability to get to the rim from time to time. Making a couple close shots might get him back in sync for the 3's.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I like when Cooney remembers that he can drive too - he has shown an ability to get to the rim from time to time. Making a couple close shots might get him back in sync for the 3's.

I agree he has shown he can drive. He lead the team yesterday with free throws - 5 for 6 on some drives too.

 

[realorange]

Shooters shoot. JB in his presser was not upset with Cooney. Said he had a bad shooting game but he'll be back.

 

[CaptainJ]

I feel like every time trevor misses a shot someone feels the need to start a thread to critique his game or say why he won't help us. Frankly it's getting old. Still don't win without him yesterday. Is Jerami Grant going to have problems in conference? He only had five yesterday.

We need Coleman back for ACC play. We are better with him starting. It makes the defense collapse when he makes a couple early.

I agree with you to an extent, but also have to point out whenever Trevor has a good(or likely even serviceable) game, the poor sap who made the "shaky potatoes" thread questioning TC a couple months ago gets to see it bumped eternally, so I think it's fair to say it goes both ways. I'm personally trying to stay open minded while awaiting a larger body of work. I can't say with certainty that for some length of time we won't have to be concerned whether Big Game Trevor shows up like we did with Big Game James. Either way, the latter sounded better with the rhyme.

As others have said, if Ennis can develop his outside shot, things will open up more for everyone. I'm not counting on Jerami doing it this year, but if he ever does that will be a game changer.

 

[stuckinbig11]

I think it was more Cooney than Miami. Cooney missed open shots he normally makes. I think he wasnt as in tuned as he normally is and had an off night. Its not like he didnt have open looks , he had 12 of them.

Even when open, I still think he was setting up too far out; this is not the NBA.

 

[rrlbees]

Even when open, I still think he was setting up too far out; this is not the NBA.

Yep. At least 3 times I said to Jake he was too deep.

 

[TBCuse11]

I thik Gbinje is going to have to get more run against big guards like that.

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

 

[Dave85]

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

Silent G really needs to work on his outside offensive game. He's great driving to the rim. But it would be awesome if he had a mid-range game. But regardless, he's a really good long defender in the zone.

 

[two3zone]

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

If JAB took Gmac out or any coach took out the best shooter because they're having a bad game during a close game a lot of game winning shots would never have been made.

If we were down two or 3 wish seconds to go I know who I'd want shooting the ball for us, that's Cooney.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Silent G isn't even a threat on offense right now. He never shoots. He himself even admitted he needs to be more aggressive. Cooney was playing good defense. Cooney is in there to spread the floor. If Silent G was in, all the lanes would of been clogged up, and chances are Tyler isn't able to get to the basket on the one drive.. Nova and Indiana were just as athletic as Miami and Cooney had no problems. He just missed shots. Should Grant not have been in the game? He only had three points until he made his foul line jumper late. If Cooney is 2 for 10 I personally still want him shooting.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

He was 5 of 6 from the foul line too. Who would you rather have in the game taking free throws when the game is on the line?

 

[CiceroCuse]

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

Not sure i agree. Even if TC misses 10 in a row, he is still our best bet to hit a dagger 3 at the end of the game. Also, with him in the game they can run more offensive sets as bees pointed out earlier.

 

[CiceroCuse]

He was 5 of 6 from the foul line too. Who would you rather have in the game taking free throws when the game is on the line?

Definitely. He should have the ball in his hands in an obvious foul situation. Ennis has been good too and TC is much better at the line than G.

 

[RF2044]

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

Completely disagree. Fans are overreactionary, but luckily coaches don't make such knee jerk reactions. It doesn't have anything to do with being "stubborn" the whole team -- including CJ, to a degree -- had poor offensive games. Ennis, Cooney, Grant, and CJ are the team's primary scorers, and none of them had good games. Should JB have benched all of them, too?

And Silent G is not quicker than Cooney.

 

[sutomcat]

Yep. At least 3 times I said to Jake he was too deep.

I think at least part of this was because the UM guards were so long, TC was concerned about having his shot blocked if he released it from his normal favorite locations.

 

[RMH44]

Completely disagree. Fans are overreactionary, but luckily coaches don't make such knee jerk reactions. It doesn't have anything to do with being "stubborn" the whole team -- including CJ, to a degree -- had poor offensive games. Ennis, Cooney, Grant, and CJ are the team's primary scorers, and none of them had good games. Should JB have benched all of them, too?

And Silent G is not quicker than Cooney.

Completely agree and keep in mind that many fans are clueless.

Any player, including Cooney, can have an off night shooting but still play well. TC played well in every other aspect of the game except shooting. He's not a one trick pony.

Defenses have to know where he is at all times. His presence on the floor creates space for team mates.

 

[Cowtown]

The rim argument might fly if he'd actually hit it a few times.

 

[RMH44]

Yep. At least 3 times I said to Jake he was too deep.

Usually TC is great at landing on the spot from which he elevated when shooting his jumper. Saturday he seemed to drift left or right on many of his shots. As a result, many of his missed shots were off left or right which is highly unusual for a great shooter.

I'm sure he was in the Melo center late Saturday afternoon correcting his mechanics.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

The rim argument might fly if he'd actually hit it a few times.

Are you saying his 10 misses were airballs?

 

[Cheriehoop]

Cooney keeps defenses honest. Opposing coaches aren't going to allow Cooney's man to cheat off him and help, giving his teammates more freedom. I like Mike too but if I was an opposing coach I certainly would slough off him daring him to shoot until he proved he was a threat allowing his defender to help out, double, hedge etc. Until Gbinje develops an offensive game and gains the confidence to use it, JB has to weigh the timing when he can play him.