Cooney...

[RF2044]

He has had some good games. He has had some bad games. He is a career 35% shooter from beyond the arc. Not bad. Not great.

Oy freking vey...

 

[Doc5120]

I feel like every time trevor misses a shot someone feels the need to start a thread to critique his game or say why he won't help us. Frankly it's getting old. Still don't win without him yesterday. Is Jerami Grant going to have problems in conference? He only had five yesterday.

We need Coleman back for ACC play. We are better with him starting. It makes the defense collapse when he makes a couple early.

I totally agree. Tyler Ennis had a bagel a couple games ago. Where's everyone hatting on him? Yes, he dished out a bunch of assists and had either 0 or 1 turnover...but my gosh, he didn't make 1 single basket! He sucks! People get on Cooney when he misses shots. I haven't seen the CJ Fair threads when he's a little off, or turning it over a handful of times. Guys have off games. this was definitely one of those for Cooney. I'm not at all worried that he'll bounce back Tuesday night.

 

[rrlbees]

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

And if Cooney isn't in, maybe we lose. We ran a lot of double high with JB giving his 2 fisted play call. We had a lot of success with it and went in the 8-0 run. We don't run that without Cooney in because G would be ignored.

 

[rrlbees]

Those are numbers for this year, but what about career-wise?

And I think you need to factor in not only prior game performance but also JB's consideration of the pressure situation.

For instance, against Miami, when SU was going to go to the line with a quick foul with under 10 seconds left in the game and SU up by only 3, who did JB have go to the line? Ennis. Not Cooney and his lofty FT %.

With the game on the line, JB is going to be looking CJ's way most of the time this year.

I'm pretty sure that happened when Cooney was on the bench and you can't use a bench player to take those FT's.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

I'm pretty sure that happened when Cooney was on the bench and you can't use a bench player to take those FT's.

I'm talking about just before the last points SU scored in the game. Miami scored and cut the lead to 3 with less than 10 seconds left. SU inbounded the ball to Ennis who immediately got fouled. Ennis sank both of the one and one's to end any hope for Miami (and give SU the final difference of the 5 point win).

I was kind of surprised that the inbounded ball didn't go to Cooney. I think sometime in the future all those will be going Cooney's way. For the GMac comparisons, those always went to him. And if he for some reason he hadn't been in the game at that point, JB would have called a time out (if you even need to) and put him in there.

 

[moqui]

one thing for sure: that 2 for 12 is going to make it difficult for him to lead the ACC in 3 pt shooting percentage in conference play.

He's averaging 7 threes per game. If he keeps up that pace and hits them at 45% for the next 8 games, that put him at 27/68 ( .397) half way through the conference season, a good mark but likely to be well behind the leaders.

 

[two3zone]

I'm talking about just before the last points SU scored in the game. Miami scored and cut the lead to 3 with less than 10 seconds left. SU inbounded the ball to Ennis who immediately got fouled. Ennis sank both of the one and one's to end any hope for Miami (and give SU the final difference of the 5 point win). I was kind of surprised that the inbounded ball didn't go to Cooney. I think sometime in the future all those will be going Cooney's way. For the GMac comparisons, those always went to him. And if he for some reason he hadn't been in the game at that point, JB would have called a time out (if you even need to) and put him in there.

They went to Gmac because he played a ton of time at the 1. Cooney's handle isn't as good as Ennis, I have no problem Ennis shooting FT and getting the ball at the end of the game especially only for the fact he's just not going to turn the ball over.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm talking about just before the last points SU scored in the game. Miami scored and cut the lead to 3 with less than 10 seconds left. SU inbounded the ball to Ennis who immediately got fouled. Ennis sank both of the one and one's to end any hope for Miami (and give SU the final difference of the 5 point win).

I was kind of surprised that the inbounded ball didn't go to Cooney. I think sometime in the future all those will be going Cooney's way. For the GMac comparisons, those always went to him. And if he for some reason he hadn't been in the game at that point, JB would have called a time out (if you even need to) and put him in there.

You can't always just pick who you get the ball into.

 

[omniorange]

one thing for sure: that 2 for 12 is going to make it difficult for him to lead the ACC in 3 pt shooting percentage in conference play.

He's averaging 7 threes per game. If he keeps up that pace and hits them at 45% for the next 8 games, that put him at 27/68 ( .397) half way through the conference season, a good mark but likely to be well behind the leaders.

How often do volume 3pt shooters (attempting 6-7 a game) win the 3pt FG% title in conference? Off the top of my head, for the Big East I can only recall Kyle McAlarney and Allan Ray as recent ones who did.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[omniorange]

Personally, I'm waiting to see where Cooney is at in terms of 3pt shooting percentages until after 6 games in conference. That will give us enough data to see how the remaining two-thirds of the conference goes.

In any case, Cooney tangibly contributed in other areas vs Miami - getting to foul line, hitting those shots, not turning the ball over, solid defense, etc.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[two3zone]

Personally, I'm waiting to see where Cooney is at in terms of 3pt shooting percentages until after 6 games in conference. That will give us enough data to see how the remaining two-thirds of the conference goes. In any case, Cooney tangibly contributed in other areas vs Miami - getting to foul line, hitting those shots, not turning the ball over, solid defense, etc. Cheers, Neil

Yeah, playing against Nova, St Johns, Baylor, and other difficult ooc games don't mean anything. I mean those teams would do nothing in the ACC. #sarcasm

 

[omniorange]

Yeah, playing against Nova, St Johns, Baylor, and other difficult ooc games don't mean anything. I mean those teams would do nothing in the ACC. #sarcasm

Sorry, should have made that post clearer. One of the main contentions over a lot of the Cooney threads has been that "sure he's making them now at home and on neutral courts but what will he do once conference play begins?".

No matter how good-to-great a non-conference schedule is, the heat gets turned up in conference, especially considering there will be 9 true road games. This may be even truer now then it ever was in the Big East over the past few seasons since most of the ACC teams don't have stellar OOC wins and as the #2 ranked team in the country, we will be the biggest scalp they can possibly get to impress the tournament committee.

We all now know what Cooney accomplished in the OOC portion of the schedule. For those who aren't yet convinced though (whether that is true skepticism or simply a need to be "right" about their prior assessments of TC), all that remains is the in-conference record. I think the bad shooting game against Miami at home was simply that, a bad shooting game. Therefore nothing should be construed from that one bad shooting game in terms of how he will perform during the rest of the conference schedule. But the pro-Cooney side, myself included, also can't just assume that he will continue to hit a high percentage either, simply because he did so OOC.

For the reasons I state above, the conference season is an entirely different animal. One thing I am sure of, TC will contribute and prove to be of value, regardless of a high a percentage he shoots in his treys.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[CiceroCuse]

one thing for sure: that 2 for 12 is going to make it difficult for him to lead the ACC in 3 pt shooting percentage in conference play.

He's averaging 7 threes per game. If he keeps up that pace and hits them at 45% for the next 8 games, that put him at 27/68 ( .397) half way through the conference season, a good mark but likely to be well behind the leaders.

Tell ya what ... I'll take 10 open looks a game for him any day. I would bet that more than half the games he makes more than half the shots. I would take 40% for a volume shooter any day as well. Whoever leads that category will average about 1.5 makes per game on 3 attempts per game. I would rather have 4 for 10 every game.

 

[orangefan13]

Cooney has shot on 3 different rims this season and one of them he took maybe 2 shots on. Tonight will be his 4th and first true road game.

 

[two3zone]

Cooney has shot on 3 different rims this season and one of them he took maybe 2 shots on. Tonight will be his 4th and first true road game.

Can Cooney ever get the benefit of the doubt from you doofs around here? The guy is the best shooter on this team and percentage wise so far this year maybe the best in school history. The guy can flat out shoot, you don't have to believe me, but listen to the coaches, and opposing coaches. They think he can as well.

 

[orangefan13]

Can Cooney ever get the benefit of the doubt from you doofs around here? The guy is the best shooter on this team and percentage wise so far this year maybe the best in school history. The guy can flat out shoot, you don't have to believe me, but listen to the coaches, and opposing coaches. They think he can as well.

I am not saying he won't shoot well, or even idicating(ed) a negative momentum post in any way.

Just saying he has shot on 3 rims this season and 12 of the 13 games came from the one he has played on many many times, and maui which is highly reguarded as the softest rims in america. Shooting on more rims as the season goes along could actually make him a more precise shooter come march .

 

[moqui]

Tell ya what ... I'll take 10 open looks a game for him any day. I would bet that more than half the games he makes more than half the shots. I would take 40% for a volume shooter any day as well. Whoever leads that category will average about 1.5 makes per game on 3 attempts per game. I would rather have 4 for 10 every game.

actually, the top five guys in the conference (which includes Trevor) were all, like Trevor, averaging 5 to 7 three point attempts per contest throughout non-conference play.

 

[orangefan13]

How often do volume 3pt shooters (attempting 6-7 a game) win the 3pt FG% title in conference? Off the top of my head, for the Big East I can only recall Kyle McAlarney and Allan Ray as recent ones who did.

Cheers,
Neil

Even Syracuses best shooters through the years, the gmacs rautins and devos only averaged a 3 point shot every 3.8-under 5 minutes.

If he averages a full 32-36 mpg its possible Cooney could shoot mid 7-9 in conference play, as he is learning to shoot off one bounce and with alittle bit of a lean succesfully, he still doesn't like to pullup in isolation pressure though. I would expect him to be in the high 6 - mid 7's.

just a few.
gerry his junior year averaged 9.2 3 point shots in 35.5 mpg or one every 3.8 minutes
devo as a senior averaged 5.8 3 point shots per game.
Rautins as a senior averaged 7.5 3 point shots and played like 36 mpg thats one every 4.8 minutes.
shumpert as a senior only averaged 6.4 3 point shots in 37 minutes of play and still averaged 20.7 ppg. that was only one shot every 5.7 minutes.
Wes Johnson only aveeraged 3.5 3 point shots in 35 mpg.
Moten shot 5.9 3 attemps in over 35 mpg.
Shumpert 6.4 3 attemps in 36.8 mpg one every 5.7 minutes.

And those were the years they had their most 3 point shot attempts.

Kohls shot 9.3 spg as a senior there was no 3 point line.

It also matters who else you have on your team though, cooney has fair, ennis, grant around him and fair is the senior leader, and it is in our best interest if Xmas can get his ppg up to 8-12 with alittle post up iso.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Cooney has shot on 3 different rims this season and one of them he took maybe 2 shots on. Tonight will be his 4th and first true road game.

The VT venue looks to be a shooters arena, 4 or 5 no-name VT guys are averaging 40% plus.