Cooney...

[Townie72]

Completely agree and keep in mind that many fans are clueless.

Any player, including Cooney, can have an off night shooting but still play well. TC played well in every other aspect of the game except shooting. He's not a one trick pony.

Defenses have to know where he is at all times. His presence on the floor creates space for team mates.

Isn't that true of any player on the floor?

 

[Cowtown]

Are you saying his 10 misses were airballs?

Hyperbole. Just like the rim argument comment was in the first place.

 

[RMH44]

Isn't that true of any player on the floor?

Absolutely not.

If a team is in m2m, the player guarding Cooney usually has to completely forget about playing any "help defense" because he can't afford to lose TC and allow an open three.

If you're in a zone, Cooney is the one player that has to marked at all times. He stretches zones, among other things, which opens driving and passing lanes for others.

Opposing teams actual game plan for us with TC at, or near, the top of their scouting reports. The same can't be said of BMK or Rak for example.

 

[Coach Orange]

I like when Cooney remembers that he can drive too - he has shown an ability to get to the rim from time to time. Making a couple close shots might get him back in sync for the 3's.

I agree, MELOKEITH. I'd like to see more fakes--pass fakes, shot fakes, etc.--in general from the team. Fakes are a powerful ally when a defender is closing out on a player, or when the defense is overplaying passing lanes.

More faking would definitely have helped against the 1-2-2 match-up Miami was playing on Saturday. Since that zone is, essentially, a man-to-man that switches all screens and releases cutters to the next player, fakes would have provoked confusion and over-rotation, allowing more driving lanes to develop.

Cooney's shooting ability is actually underutilized if he is not using shot fakes as defenders close out on him to open up driving lanes (either for layups/dunks or pull-up jumpers) and passing opportunities. If he never fakes, defenders know they can just close out on him hard with no consequences.

 

[TBCuse11]

If JAB took Gmac out or any coach took out the best shooter because they're having a bad game during a close game a lot of game winning shots would never have been made.

If we were down two or 3 wish seconds to go I know who I'd want shooting the ball for us, that's Cooney.

Sigh. When will the comical comparisons ever end. Cooney is not 1/100th what GMac was... yet. Just stop.

 

[TBCuse11]

Absolutely not.

If a team is in m2m, the player guarding Cooney usually has to completely forget about playing any "help defense" because he can't afford to lose TC and allow an open three.

If you're in a zone, Cooney is the one player that has to marked at all times. He stretches zones, among other things, which opens driving and passing lanes for others.

Opposing teams actual game plan for us with TC at, or near, the top of their scouting reports. The same can't be said of BMK or Rak for example.

The degree to which you overrate TC is borderline insane. Decent player, pretty good shooter (so far, but the teeth of the schedule is yet to come, but far from the key to our team. Watch the Miami game again. He was not face guarded all night, teams played him normal. He was open, and missed 7-10 uncontested shots.

Saying he should have sat down is far from overreacting. We had more than capable backups. Everyone is so ga-ga over TC is is insane. Lets give those 10 shots he clanked to CJ or Ennis... and we win that game by double digits.

Cooney is absolutely our best 2 guard.. but he is not needed on the court for us to excel. If he is, then we are overrated as a team.

 

[TBCuse11]

Completely disagree. Fans are overreactionary, but luckily coaches don't make such knee jerk reactions. It doesn't have anything to do with being "stubborn" the whole team -- including CJ, to a degree -- had poor offensive games. Ennis, Cooney, Grant, and CJ are the team's primary scorers, and none of them had good games. Should JB have benched all of them, too?

And Silent G is not quicker than Cooney.

We seemed to do just fine when JB sat Cooney vs St. Johns. I guess that "knee jerk" reaction worked out. If he kept Trevor in that night, we lose. Silent G was a huge factor in us pulling that game out.

 

[sufandu]

Sigh. When will the comical comparisons ever end. Cooney is not 1/100th what GMac was... yet. Just stop.

When Central Florida loses to Baylor... oh wait, nevermind.

 

[RMH44]

We seemed to do just fine when JB sat Cooney vs St. Johns. I guess that "knee jerk" reaction worked out. If he kept Trevor in that night, we lose. Silent G was a huge factor in us pulling that game out.

Silent G played 15 minutes against St Johns scoring zero points on zero shots, collecting 3 rebounds and dishing-out zero assists. I'm sure he played fine defense because he usually does. He also played some in the back of the zone replacing CJ. He is a valuable reserve that is playing out of position to help his team. Appears to be a great team mate.

All of that doesn't and shouldn't diminish what a player with Cooney's skill set adds to the team. For some reason, you're doing your best to accomplish just that and it makes you look foolish.

 

[RMH44]

Sigh. When will the comical comparisons ever end. Cooney is not 1/100th what GMac was... yet. Just stop.

Well, Gerry disagrees with you.

 

[two3zone]

Sigh. When will the comical comparisons ever end. Cooney is not 1/100th what GMac was... yet. Just stop.

How is comparing two players in a game by game basis not fair? You need somebody to take a three at the end of the game on this team no matter their performance prior to that shot, who do you pick?

 

[TBCuse11]

How is comparing two players in a game by game basis not fair? You need somebody to take a three at the end of the game on this team no matter their performance prior to that shot, who do you pick?

depends on the game. Against Miami, i would have chosen CJ or Ennis. Had JB sat Cooney and we were down by 3 in the final seconds, of course Cooney would be put back in.

 

[Cusefan0307]

CJ is shooting 29 percent from three for the year. Trevors shooting 46. If we are down one or tied I agree CJ should have the last shot, but having him take a 3 instead of Trevor in that situation is not going to happen .

 

[bnoro]

depends on the game. Against Miami, i would have chosen CJ or Ennis. Had JB sat Cooney and we were down by 3 in the final seconds, of course Cooney would be put back in.

well i know there was one person we could count on to hit free throws at the end of the game so i'm pretty happy Trevor was in there. Or did you not watch the game and make your opinion based on a box score.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

CJ is shooting 29 percent from three for the year. Trevors shooting 46. If we are down one or tied I agree CJ should have the last shot, but having him take a 3 instead of Trevor in that situation is not going to happen .

Those are numbers for this year, but what about career-wise?

And I think you need to factor in not only prior game performance but also JB's consideration of the pressure situation.

For instance, against Miami, when SU was going to go to the line with a quick foul with under 10 seconds left in the game and SU up by only 3, who did JB have go to the line? Ennis. Not Cooney and his lofty FT %.

With the game on the line, JB is going to be looking CJ's way most of the time this year.

 

[br801]

Completely agree. Trevor should not have been in there the last 7 or 8 minutes. he just didnt have it. Silent G is bigger and quicker. Jim was overly stubborn on Saturday, but luckily Rak and CJ bailed us out to secure one of the ugliest wins in a while.

You really wanted Cooney sitting for an extended period in that game? I shudder to think what SU's offense would have looked like with no one out there to stretch Miami's defense. Luckily, you're not the coach.

And, in my mind, there are no ugly wins at this point in the season.

 

[Townie72]

What we read here is the overvaluing of three point shooters. If a single three point shooter were to create the defensive havoc that is suggested here by some, no team would be without one on the floor. And probably the easiest commodity to find is a three point specialist.

With our zone, we see plenty of three point shooters. Sometimes I think we create them or that our orange unis make 25% shooters into 75% shooters in the first 10 minutes anyway. Then we extend the zone and their accuracy goes down. And if they don't have an inside guy that can catch the ball and make a 15 footer or pass it down low, it has little impact on the game. In the second half the rim seems to shrink for thee guys and they are less likely to shoot and less accurate when they do.

And at the end of a game I don't want Cooney or CJ or anybody else jacking up an almost certainly contested "3". I want the ball pounded inside to Grant or CJ for a traditional three point play.

 

[TBCuse11]

You really wanted Cooney sitting for an extended period in that game? I shudder to think what SU's offense would have looked like with no one out there to stretch Miami's defense. Luckily, you're not the coach.

And, in my mind, there are no ugly wins at this point in the season.

Yes i did in that game. You dont agree, and thats fine. We didnt even score 50 points. Too many people seem to think that opposing defenses focus on shutting down Trevor and thats just not the case. You live with a guy jacking 10 threes a game. You plan against the inside guys who can get you in foul trouble and who can score in a variety of ways.

TC seems to have the ability to drive, he just rarely does. He loves jacking the three ball.

 

[br801]

Yes i did in that game. You dont agree, and thats fine. We didnt even score 50 points. Too many people seem to think that opposing defenses focus on shutting down Trevor and thats just not the case. You live with a guy jacking 10 threes a game. You plan against the inside guys who can get you in foul trouble and who can score in a variety of ways.

TC seems to have the ability to drive, he just rarely does. He loves jacking the three ball.

"Jacking the three ball" is one of his main roles on this team. He's pretty good at it, too, so get used to seeing it.

 

[TBCuse11]

"Jacking the three ball" is one of his main roles on this team. He's pretty good at it, too, so get used to seeing it.

He has had some good games. He has had some bad games. He is a career 35% shooter from beyond the arc. Not bad. Not great.

 

[two3zone]

He has had some good games. He has had some bad games. He is a career 35% shooter from beyond the arc. Not bad. Not great.

I'm not totally discrediting his numbers from last year, but I don't think it's entirely fair to be mixing those numbers in with this season. He's not the same player he was last year, not even close.

 

[br801]

I'm not totally discrediting his numbers from last year, but I don't think it's entirely fair to be mixing those numbers in with this season. He's not the same player he was last year, not even close.

You're right. So far in 2014, he's 16.7% from deep.

 

[bnoro]

He has had some good games. He has had some bad games. He is a career 35% shooter from beyond the arc. Not bad. Not great.

We get it, you hate Cooney. But to use his career numbers so you don't have to acknowledge the year he's having is ridiculous.

BTW, your boy Gerry was a career 35% shooter. Not bad. Not great.

 

[br801]

He has had some good games. He has had some bad games. He is a career 35% shooter from beyond the arc. Not bad. Not great.

Through 14 games this season, volume 3-point shooter Cooney has a TS% of .665. What a mediocrity.

 

[RF2044]

We seemed to do just fine when JB sat Cooney vs St. Johns. I guess that "knee jerk" reaction worked out. If he kept Trevor in that night, we lose. Silent G was a huge factor in us pulling that game out.

No, we didn't do "just fine." It took a couple of clutch shots from CJ to help us pull out that close contest. No doubt, Gbinije contributed solid defense. But the claim that "if he kept Trevor in that night, we lose" is 100% baseless.