Cornell Gameday...

[SULAXAHOLIC]

Gaits the coach, whose responsibility would it be when the team consistently starts slow in big games; Kevin Donahue? Kyle Fetterly? Quint Kessenich? Duke in the Acc tourney last year, Towson and Denver in the tourney Marykand and Cornell this year etc. Team looks unprepared full stop. Doesn't mean I think he should be fired but you can't ignore reality either.

Comparing Gaits teams to Desko and Simmons is worse then your take on Anderson. Desko has 5 national titles, Gait hasn't made a final four yet.

How is comparing former coaches a bad take when teams fail to perform to potential I can recite countless examples for every staff in the country. As for Anderson if he is going to be on the field he is going to have to produce. Cornell obviously adjusted and did not slide off Spallina and Anderson continues to struggle to finish his own dodges. He is big athletic and raw his day will come but the learning curve is extremely steep when you’re playing the number 1 team in the country. With Deere you sacrifice some dodging but bring in better ball movement, a better pick game and definitely better chemistry. My suggestion was that if someone isn’t producing then the attack should be rotated. If you think that’s a bad idea then I can’t help you Same approach should have been taken with McCool players are human they have off days when it happens there are substitutes for a reason. You can have the greatest schemes ever but it’s up to the people on the field to execute

 

[SULAXAHOLIC]

Classic letdown after a big win against ND. Only one game ball to hand out today and that goes to Owen Hiltz. He was on fire and really did his part to swing the momentum. On the other hand I have three smelly jocks to hand out. The first one goes to Jimmy McCool. 7 saves 16 goals against for a 30% save percentage. That’s not going to get it done. Second jock goes to Luke Rhoa. Yes he had 3 goals…on 13 shots. That makes him 3 for 38 over the last 3 games. Cornell put the shorty on Rhoa and gave him free rein and he should have had 5 or 6 goals with all the looks he had. Finally, an XL smelly jock goes to Coach Gary “Gravy Train” Gait for everything to do with scheduling thiis Corrigan Sports debacle. Two top 5 teams and the production was less than amateurish. I’d be curious to know if Gary got a cut of the PPV revenue.

Talk to the university who scheduled multiple concerts in season. Which probably goes back to lack of attendance in football and basketball someone has to pay for those new seats and shiny lights if sports aren’t doing it something else is going to have to. Not sure these concerts couldn’t of been scheduled after Mother’s Day but they weren’t

 

[BBCuse]

 

[tech37]

Classic letdown after a big win against ND. Only one game ball to hand out today and that goes to Owen Hiltz. He was on fire and really did his part to swing the momentum. On the other hand I have three smelly jocks to hand out. The first one goes to Jimmy McCool. 7 saves 16 goals against for a 30% save percentage. That’s not going to get it done. Second jock goes to Luke Rhoa. Yes he had 3 goals…on 13 shots. That makes him 3 for 38 over the last 3 games. Cornell put the shorty on Rhoa and gave him free rein and he should have had 6 or 7 goals with all the looks he had. I’ll give Spallina a sniff as well for pretty much being a no show. Finally, an XL smelly jock goes to Coach Gary Gait for everything to do with scheduling thiis Corrigan Sports debacle. The game could’ve easily been set up at a local high school and we wouldn’t have given up home field advantage. Two top 5 teams at the peak of the season and the production was less than amateurish.

Yes, good call. See Duke game played at CNS couple years ago.

Yesterday's broadcast was complete bullsh!t. More cringy than Anish and Carc!

Hiltz played great. Guess is the already taped akle is his problem.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Classic letdown after a big win against ND. Only one game ball to hand out today and that goes to Owen Hiltz. He was on fire and really did his part to swing the momentum. On the other hand I have three smelly jocks to hand out. The first one goes to Jimmy McCool. 7 saves 16 goals against for a 30% save percentage. That’s not going to get it done. Second jock goes to Luke Rhoa. Yes he had 3 goals…on 13 shots. That makes him 3 for 38 over the last 3 games. Cornell put the shorty on Rhoa and gave him free rein and he should have had 6 or 7 goals with all the looks he had. I’ll give Spallina a sniff as well for pretty much being a no show. Finally, an XL smelly jock goes to Coach Gary Gait for everything to do with scheduling thiis Corrigan Sports debacle. The game could’ve easily been set up at a local high school and we wouldn’t have given up home field advantage. Two top 5 teams at the peak of the season and the production was less than amateurish.

We could have played the game outside at CNS High School.

But we aren't recruiting anyone from CNS.

All the talent plays on Long Island. Which is why we play at Hofstra and Stony Brook every so often. Last year Cornell played Notre Dame at LIU.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Talk to the university who scheduled multiple concerts in season. Which probably goes back to lack of attendance in football and basketball someone has to pay for those new seats and shiny lights if sports aren’t doing it something else is going to have to. Not sure these concerts couldn’t of been scheduled after Mother’s Day but they weren’t

Metallica is in Atlanta and Florida after Mother's Day.

Billy Joel was scheduled to play in Europe.

 

[36'sq.]

UNC 8, Duke 7.

Duke +2.5 came in

Not sure who made those odds. UNC is clearly a better team this year and was higher ranked. Yeah, on the road, okay. But Koskinen is not exactly Cameron.

Duke just isn't that good this year. Love to see them miss the tournament.

Look, if they couldn't win another NC with O'Neill and Sowers, I just don't see them doing it again. Danowski is something like 72. I hope he gives it 1-2 more years, then retires, then Duke goes to pieces for a few years. I'd love to see 10 years of them being mediocre.

It'll be very interesting to see who takes over. If you watch Duke games, the body language and communication between John and Matt seems odd. I'm very curious if he becomes the head coach or someone else...I know a few Duke grads are high level coaches (maybe the St. Joe's guy?)

 

[36'sq.]

Couldn't make it to the Duke game yesterday, had kids sports I was busy with, but watched on t.v.

So at the end of the game, cameras show Dominic Pietramala waving to the crowd, helmet off, HUGE smile. If you didn't know better, you'd have thought he was waving to his mother, girlfriend, grandparents. Guy was just beaming and thrilled.

I've watched many games in that stadium. He was waving at the alumni pavilion, which is at one end of the stadium. It was full of Duke lax alums yesterday, they had some team anniversary celebration. Oh man, I'm sure they'd been giving it to Pietramala all game.

I'm not a UNC fan, not a Dave or Dominic fan, but I like Duke far less. That takes some serious stones to take off your helmet and wave and smile at a bunch of drunk dudes pushing 40. God, it was GREAT! I'm sure those guys hate drank too much last night and talk S* about Pietramala and UNC all night. Must have extra bad hangovers this morning.

Thank you, Dominic Pietramala!

 

[36'sq.]

I’m sorry, but I just can’t let this go. I’ve been listening to Booker Corrigan call both HS & College games for years so I’m well versed in his sophomoric antics & catch phrases. His lyric references & sayings like “that shot was more far right than a Michael Moore movie” or “that shot got more pipe than….(followed by a Hunter Biden or Marion Barry drug use reference)” may catch new listeners off guard but he’s been saying this stuff for years.

That being said, following a 3rd quarter Cornell goal, he said “nice hard bouncer….a little Paris Hilton there.” The other announcer, who laughed at his jokes all day, clearly sounded uncomfortable & didn’t even respond. Am I crazy or is this anything other than a completely vulgar & inappropriate reference to her sex tape? He is who he is & his shtick isn’t for most but this line caught me completely off guard. Imagine if someone said that on an ESPN, ACCN, BTN, etc. broadcast? There’s families & kids tuned in. Again, is this a reference to something else in relation to Hilton that’s going completely over my head?…..because I’m honestly hoping that’s the case.

EDIT: 21:25 in the game highlights in post #379 later in this thread.

Thank you for saying all of this. I don't appreciate the announcers who are like this. It doesn't "enrich" the experience. Just call the game. I don't need bad and/or offensive jokes. It's strange to me that it goes on and that the networks allow it. It's kind of like the bathroom/frat humor that has taken over so many mainstream Hollywood dude movies. It's just not funny to me. And yeah, jokes about politics or sex tapes is really troubling and shouldn't be happening.

I caught the 2nd half of MD v. Ohio State yesterday on Big 10 Network, I think. Some play-by-by guy and Don Zimmerman, a guy who knows the game. He's GREAT! Not flashy, no bro jokes, no references to sex tapes, just talks about lacrosse. That's all I need.

"Growing the game" shouldn't be via announcers from a bad, bygone era recycling unacceptable locker room culture for a new generation.

 

[JeremyCuse]

1) There’s a lot of talent in CNY and the best players always seem to go elsewhere. Maybe the game should’ve been played at West Genesee.

2) Spallina is the only Long Island native on the team that makes a difference. We are doing just fine without a bevy of Long Islanders.

3) it’s not a good enough reason to give up home field advantage.

#2 is simply not correct, you may have heard of Michael Leo?

CNY has a nice class in 2026 but overall has been down for at least 7+ years if not more. The number of elite players that used to come out-of Sec 3 and the surrounding area has really diminished. Long Island is very difficult to recruit as a top D1 school but is still absolutely critical and SU scheduling a game there is a smart move. The game being Cornell is a different story.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

1) There’s a lot of talent in CNY and the best players always seem to go elsewhere. Maybe the game should’ve been played at West Genesee.

2) Spallina is the only Long Island native on the team that makes a difference. We are doing just fine without a bevy of Long Islanders.

3) it’s not a good enough reason to give up home field advantage.

There was a time over a decade ago when the best Sec 3 players made the Top 20 lists.

In the Class of 2025, there's one kid in the Top 60 who is committed to an Ivy.

Rayfield and Doshna may make the Top 50 for 2026.

Last year, Sec 3 was shut out of the Top 100 entirely.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Got to hand it to Cornell's offensive players. Many times they made absolutely fantastic plays to score. However, many times SU's defense lost their man leaving them wide open for an easy score. What's up with that?

Also, McCool had a bad, bad day. As he did against Harvard. He needs to be consistently good.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Got to hand it to Cornell's offensive players. Many times they made absolutely fantastic plays to score. However, many times SU's defense lost their man leaving them wide open for an easy score. What's up with that?

Also, McCool had a bad, bad day. As he did against Harvard. He needs to be consistently good.

Cornell kept running moving screens (that the refs never saw).

 

[DoctahLexus]

Ugh. After looking at some of the replay I only feel stronger about how dumb it was for us to keep dodging with the first line middies. Yes I get it one is on a short stick and one has a longpole matchup, but who do you want starting the party in the 4th, one of our attack who has just been just spinning the ball around the horn the last 3 or 4 possessions or Leo/Rhoa who have been sprinting all day and are gassed from dodging on the last possession? Those guys made some plays, but we have capable dodgers at attack who are working with relatively fresh legs at that stage of things.

Hiltz made some insane plays earlier in the game but rarely challenged his matchup down the stretch. Anderson and Spallina almost never did. Often that’s because we would lose the ball early on an impatient shot from the midfield. All three attack have proven they can make plays with the ball in their stick. We did not make enough effort to get them the ball yesterday.

 

[SkyTopBus44]

Ugh. After looking at some of the replay I only feel stronger about how dumb it was for us to keep dodging with the first line middies. Yes I get it one is on a short stick and one has a longpole matchup, but who do you want starting the party in the 4th, one of our attack who has just been just spinning the ball around the horn the last 3 or 4 possessions or Leo/Rhoa who have been sprinting all day and are gassed from dodging on the last possession? Those guys made some plays, but we have capable dodgers at attack who are working with relatively fresh legs at that stage of things.

Hiltz made some insane plays earlier in the game but rarely challenged his matchup down the stretch. Anderson and Spallina almost never did. Often that’s because we would lose the ball early on an impatient shot from the midfield. All three attack have proven they can make plays with the ball in their stick. We did not make enough effort to get them the ball yesterday.

i thought Hiltz riding game was also very impressive! He had some nice stick checks as I recall

 

[Bill Orange]

Thank you for saying all of this. I don't appreciate the announcers who are like this. It doesn't "enrich" the experience. Just call the game. I don't need bad and/or offensive jokes. It's strange to me that it goes on and that the networks allow it. It's kind of like the bathroom/frat humor that has taken over so many mainstream Hollywood dude movies. It's just not funny to me. And yeah, jokes about politics or sex tapes is really troubling and shouldn't be happening.

I caught the 2nd half of MD v. Ohio State yesterday on Big 10 Network, I think. Some play-by-by guy and Don Zimmerman, a guy who knows the game. He's GREAT! Not flashy, no bro jokes, no references to sex tapes, just talks about lacrosse. That's all I need.

"Growing the game" shouldn't be via announcers from a bad, bygone era recycling unacceptable locker room culture for a new generation.

Agreed.

As it seems to be Corrigan’s network, he can say the first stupid thing that comes into his mind, no matter how inane or politically incorrect it is.

 

[tbonezone]

we repeatedly laid lumber on ND's jake taylor. wish we'd given kirst the same punishment.
and let's retire the bronco blue helmets.

 

[ks orange]

Any news on Hiltz' injury?

 

[Whitey23]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Anything on Hiltz?

Any news on Hiltz' injury?

Swollen Testicles

 

[UrbanaOrange]

Forgot about Leo, but that’s it. I don’t see any future Leos or Spallinas being impressed watching us take a loss.

Maybe they were impressed watching this team beat ND in front of 11K the week before.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Ugh. After looking at some of the replay I only feel stronger about how dumb it was for us to keep dodging with the first line middies. Yes I get it one is on a short stick and one has a longpole matchup, but who do you want starting the party in the 4th, one of our attack who has just been just spinning the ball around the horn the last 3 or 4 possessions or Leo/Rhoa who have been sprinting all day and are gassed from dodging on the last possession? Those guys made some plays, but we have capable dodgers at attack who are working with relatively fresh legs at that stage of things.

Hiltz made some insane plays earlier in the game but rarely challenged his matchup down the stretch. Anderson and Spallina almost never did. Often that’s because we would lose the ball early on an impatient shot from the midfield. All three attack have proven they can make plays with the ball in their stick. We did not make enough effort to get them the ball yesterday.

With Anderson at attack SU has to initiate more from the attack line. He was having a lot of success early but just didn't finish. I know dodging isn't Hiltz's or Joey's main game but they needed to initiate more in the 2nd half then they did. Anderson especially is a guy they can and should lean on a bit there let him draw some slides or at minimum invert a middie and then let the attack play off that.

 

[JeremyCuse]

How is comparing former coaches a bad take when teams fail to perform to potential I can recite countless examples for every staff in the country. As for Anderson if he is going to be on the field he is going to have to produce. Cornell obviously adjusted and did not slide off Spallina and Anderson continues to struggle to finish his own dodges. He is big athletic and raw his day will come but the learning curve is extremely steep when you’re playing the number 1 team in the country. With Deere you sacrifice some dodging but bring in better ball movement, a better pick game and definitely better chemistry. My suggestion was that if someone isn’t producing then the attack should be rotated. If you think that’s a bad idea then I can’t help you Same approach should have been taken with McCool players are human they have off days when it happens there are substitutes for a reason. You can have the greatest schemes ever but it’s up to the people on the field to execute

Comparing former coaches is a bad take because it makes no sense in the context of the argument and your comparing Gait's teams struggles to Desko and Simmons two of the greatest lax coaches of all time. Did teams under Simmons and Desko have slow starts yes of course and did they have some bad habits yes, but they also produced final fours and national championships.

I agree on Anderson he needed to finish in the 1st half yesterday, it may have changed the complexity of the game. However, we do have to remember he is still a freshman in only his third game and he was able to get himself into great positions by dodging that Joey and Hiltz weren't able to and in Hiltz's case didn't really try to (he had a great game no doubt but I can't recall him dodging to the cage much if at all).

I don't have an issue with Deere rotating in at attack and getting some run there. In fact I think playing him at least a possession or 2 a qtr makes a lot of sense or even reprising his role on the 2nd midline. However, your position/point was that you weren't impressed with Anderson from his production to date and that was after he had 3 pts against ND. You make it sound like he has been starting at attack all year and has like 10 pts. He's started 3 games this year at attack, and has 2, 3 and 1 pts respectively against UVA, ND and Cornell. Not exactly cupcake central. We needed more from him against Cornell yesterday but not sure the answer is Deere who while a really good player is a pure crease finisher who while and excellent round ball and riding attackmen is also zero dodging threat and will get short sticked the entire game and have our midfield double polled. Again no issue rotating him in with Anderson but to say Anderson isn't producing isn't accurate.

The McCool issue is a totally separate argument. He's been up and down this year, mostly up but in a few games he's been real bad and both of those were losses Harvard and Cornell. He got pulled vs Harvard which was the right call but you either have to give Ippoliti an extended chance or roll with McCool, If you pull him everytime he has a bad or underwhelming 1st half it will turn into an absolute cluster. I think McCool can be the guy but I do have concerns as when he's off he is really off.

 

[nocohalo]

From a pure offense standpoint in terms of strategy, getting guys open and playing to strengths I still don't see much to complain about. The right players are on the field and the offensive system works. Everything comes down mental lapses, execution and poor decision making from individual players. When a goalie makes 8 saves in the first quarter it's obvious the looks the are there. It's the dumb stuff like bad angle shots from 10+ yards out, careless passes between the thirties and a lack of finishing in front of the net. Mistakes are going to happen, but I've seen enough from this team that they can be unstoppable if they cut down on this stuff. But alas, they have not shown the ability to be consistent on this front.

Defense is a whole other issue. McCool needs to make a few more saves but most of the goals scored on him yesterday were a result of a player having acres of space around him and no pressure. There's too much talent to go zone, but right now the sliding and miscommunication is killing them. As I said yesterday the whole tone for the defense was set on the first goal with that horrific decision to slide.

 

[orange79]

The McCool issue is a totally separate argument. He's been up and down this year, mostly up but in a few games he's been real bad and both of those were losses Harvard and Cornell. He got pulled vs Harvard which was the right call but you either have to give Ippoliti an extended chance or roll with McCool, If you pull him everytime he has a bad or underwhelming 1st half it will turn into an absolute cluster. I think McCool can be the guy but I do have concerns as when he's off he is really off.

Agreed. When he's on, he's great. It's just so maddening that you never really know what you're going to get game to game.