Could I get a list of the misdeeds that the recruiting

[dasher]

site has done against Syracuse? And boosted Rutgers? I have talked today
to a number of media people about this today. I want a story that will get
more attention. This has to be exposed. it is the only way it will stop or change.

 

[money3189]

The All Inclusive, Dohn, Rutgers and Crystal Balls thread

We just got a crystal ball I hate those things. Smdh.

syracusefan.com

 

[cusefan88]

site has done against Syracuse? And boosted Rutgers? I have talked today
to a number of media people about this today. I want a story that will get
more attention. This has to be exposed. it is the only way it will stop or change.

Requires piecing together when a prospect commits to Rutgers or a Syracuse and how they coincides with their player rating (which theoretically shouldn't change when nothing is going on).

 

[orangenauburn]

The QB who just decommited from us was unranked for eight days.

He decommited and went to Northwestern, today, and magically is rated today as an 86 overall.

We went from 37th class to 43rd in a few hours today, even after adding three commits

 

[orangenauburn]

Also

We have three unranked recruits, two of whom have been committed to us for 10 days and 16 days. They couldn't review them in that time frame?

Them being unranked, drags us down.

 

[MadNY3]

site has done against Syracuse? And boosted Rutgers? I have talked today
to a number of media people about this today. I want a story that will get
more attention. This has to be exposed. it is the only way it will stop or change.

The bigger misdeed is how Syracuse didn’t really prioritize NJ for too long a time.

This year, we will get a sense of the Dohn-ada Effect.

 

[sdhall01]

Also

We have three unranked recruits, two of whom have been committed to us for 10 days and 16 days. They couldn't review them in that time frame?

Them being unranked, drags us down.

Two of those have additional P5 offers:

Wimberly - Ole Miss

Robinson - WVU

 

[sutomcat]

site has done against Syracuse? And boosted Rutgers? I have talked today
to a number of media people about this today. I want a story that will get
more attention. This has to be exposed. it is the only way it will stop or change.

It would be a great read to hear Dohn trying to explain what he does with player ratings as Rutgers gets eliminated by recruits and they choose better programs like Syracuse.

And then what he does when Rutgers is forced to go to B and C list recruits, and they get an enormous boost in ratings for no reason.

I would like to know his relationship with the Rutgers coaching staff and if he considers himself a booster of the program.

 

[Deleted member 8116]

I just want a top 40 class!

 

[tep624]

Ta’Ron Haile’s regressing NJ state ranking over the last 2 months at Rivals is the best example I can give. Dropped 10 spots when no football was played.

 

[dasher]

Ta’Ron Haile’s regressing NJ state ranking over the last 2 months at Rivals is the best example I can give. Dropped 10 spots when no football was played.

I need more. I really want Dohn to have to answer questions just like that one. And a story in the paper making him.

 

[tep624]

I need more. I really want Dohn to have to answer questions just like that one. And a story in the paper making him.

Well that one is at Rivals so it has nothing to do with Dohn.

 

[721Comstock]

I need more. I really want Dohn to have to answer questions just like that one. And a story in the paper making him.

I’d posted before about how Duce’s rankings dropped, once he went from Rutty lock, to lean, to then maybe BC, and then to us.

It’s not just Dohn.
It’s also Toad.

Both are SUNJ shills, who constantly cook the books on Rutty croots (upgrades) and Cuse croots (downgrades).


This post doesn’t have the specifics, but I bet they could be looked up easily.

Post in thread 'The all-inclusive Rutgers dumpster fire thread...'
The all-inclusive Rutgers dumpster fire thread...

 

[Jake]

HS coaches should advise their New Jersey players to not talk to those jersey recruitniks.

They are doing them no favors. Dropping their ratings only hurts their recruiting and potential NIL deals.

Rutgers is a state university. Emails and texts between a university employee and Dohn would be subject to foil.

 

[UpstateSM]

Bud Elliot follows me on Twitter and I have thought about messaging him asking about this. He’s a higher up at 247 who knows his chit when it comes to both recruiting and the game. I’ve interacted before so I’m confident he would read/reply to me.

I could be reading him wrong but I find it hard to believe he and others there know about the shady bs and are cool with it going on. You can tell that they take pride in their rankings so it is wild to me that Dohn makes a joke of it in the northeast and gets away it.

People can argue otherwise but I am in the camp that it has a negative impact on kids, too. He and whoever does it at Rivals really should be embarrassed about themselves. Especially when Rutgers is still a glorified MAC football program.

If someone puts together something with details and data to back it up I’ll send it to him. His DMs are probably open on Twitter so maybe anyone can do it.

 

[orangefog]

I think these services were started to aid coaches. I may be wrong. But, most coaching staffs have grown to cover everything these "services" do. Now, they pander only to fanbases. So, when they see a gullible fanbase like Rutgers, they do what they must to keep the suckers on the hook (paying for a subscription).

 

[Nick44]

I’ll make this as easy as I can. Just look back over the last 3-5 years and review the best player that we signed. Chances are they were a 4-star at some point in the cycle only to be downgraded to a 3 star by the time they signed with us. Off the top of my head, Mikel Jones, Duce Chestnut and Francois Nolton we’re all 4-stars at some point during the cycle.

Also I would look at current year and take note of what is likely to happen over next 3-4 months. Jakhari Jackson is currently our highest rated 4-star player. Take note of his ranking in the beginning, when he committed to Syracuse and then again when he signs. Like clock work he will likely drop in ratings. Will be your best example.

 

[orangepassion]

Below is a message I sent over 2 years ago to Steve Wiltfong that was ignored

Frustration​

Private Message Group: you, and Steve Wiltfong+ Add User to group

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  • orangepassion Feb 28, 2021
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    Hi Steve,
    I know people who refuse to join this site because of stuff like this (please see link below) and I've had similar thoughts, as well. If this was the 1st time, people wouldn't say anything, but the constant raising of Rutgers commits and downing of Syracuse commits has gotten tiresome. This frequently happens in the offseason when there's no football going on and right before or after a commit. I could give many examples from every class if I had time to kill (Off the top of my head, Duce Chestnut from SU grade was greatly reduced right around the time of his commitment and several Rutgers commits grades were raised. Over the years, most of these guys whose grades were raised around an RU commitment had very unimpressive offer lists. Is there anything that can be done to make it seem less biased? Maybe guys with school allegiances should do different areas of the country than traditionally recruited?
    Inside a Syracuse Crystal Ball forecast
    
    

 

[Trueblue25]

Chestnut
DeVito
Dontae Strickland

All come to mind

 

[SmilinBob]

These sites, especially Rivals, are subscription based and you don't bite the hand that feeds you. There are by far more Rutgers fans there than SU.

 

[TheCusian]

They will say that a players ranking gets reviewed at different points. That sometimes kids drop after more eyeballs view the tape or another kid blows up at a camp, etc.

But I’m absolutely convinced that they use offers and commitments and the perception of the team as a shorthand, or shortcut to doing the actual review. “Why would a kid with an Ole Miss offer choose Syracuse? Must not be as good as we thought”

Perception of Syracuse is bottom P5, so kids get rated accordingly. That’s not what the services sell customers on.

And of course Rutgers has a prominent fan who is in a key role that juices their kids.

 

[TheCusian]

I’ll add that the money isn’t in rating 2 and 3* kids. There’s too many of them. They focus on going over 4 and 5*

 

[SU91]

I hate Rutgers, but I’ll add that you can’t complain about Rutgers and continually say they stink (which they do), and then lose to them when you play them. That’s just awful.

Secondly, you can’t keep saying that the sites artificially downgrade our recruits like we’re a bottom P5 program and then go out year after year and play like a bottom P5 program. If it were true that our recruits were so much better than their ratings, then we theoretically play better each year than our ratings would suggest.

Lastly, I believe this downgrading is being done. I’m not questioning that so much as Im raising the fact that, honestly speaking, we haven’t been getting it done in recruiting or on the field. At least not enough that it warrants any sort of change in perception that this can’t continue to go on.

It’s a jerky thing that Dohn does, but no one outside of the Cuse fan base would really believe it until we outperform out lowly P5 ranked players. To that I have no answers but just win baby. This class seems to have the makings of a turnaround but only time will tell.

 

[TheCusian]

I hate Rutgers, but I’ll add that you can’t complain about Rutgers and continually say they stink (which they do), and then lose to them when you play them. That’s just awful.

Secondly, you can’t keep saying that the sites artificially downgrade our recruits like we’re a bottom P5 program and then go out year after year and play like a bottom P5 program. If it were true that our recruits were so much better than their ratings, then we theoretically play better each year than our ratings would suggest.

Lastly, I believe this downgrading is being done. I’m not questioning that so much as Im raising the fact that, honestly speaking, we haven’t been getting it done in recruiting or on the field. At least not enough that it warrants any sort of change in perception that this can’t continue to go on.

It’s a jerky thing that Dohn does, but no one outside of the Cuse fan base would really believe it until we outperform out lowly P5 ranked players. To that I have no answers but just win baby. This class seems to have the makings of a turnaround but only time will tell.

I'll take this point by point.

I hate Rutgers as well. But they can have perpetually juiced rankings (at our expense) AND still stink (they do) and we can lose to them (we did the one time we played them recently). All of that can be true. And we can still dog them as a worse program (they have been, recently and for most of both schools existence) with higher rated recruits (which prob points to this upgrading and downgrading in the OP).

To your second point, "perception" of the place a recruit is going to shouldn't be taken into account. "If we won more our recruits would be ranked higher" is the kind of backwards thinking people are complaining about, IMO. Results on the field are so volatile (Who did you play? did you have a new coach? was it a COVID year? Who was injured when? etc, etc etc) that it's weird to factor that into a recruits ranking at all, before or after the fact.

Your last point is maybe the most salient. Results matter. But as stated above - building a winning program is more than just recruiting. Winning shouldn't be the thing that gets a player who isn't even on campus yet, rated higher. It's asinine.

The main point is this: Recruiting rankings shouldn't be colored by a schools history (recent or past). It's lazy to incorporate it. Worse yet, is allowing your own fandom or relationships or where you live to "adjust" your perception of a recruits ranking.

 

[SU91]

I'll take this point by point.

I hate Rutgers as well. But they can have perpetually juiced rankings (at our expense) AND still stink (they do) and we can lose to them (we did the one time we played them recently). All of that can be true. And we can still dog them as a worse program (they have been, recently and for most of both schools existence) with higher rated recruits (which prob points to this upgrading and downgrading in the OP).

To your second point, "perception" of the place a recruit is going to shouldn't be taken into account. "If we won more our recruits would be ranked higher" is the kind of backwards thinking people are complaining about, IMO. Results on the field are so volatile (Who did you play? did you have a new coach? was it a COVID year? Who was injured when? etc, etc etc) that it's weird to factor that into a recruits ranking at all, before or after the fact.

Your last point is maybe the most salient. Results matter. But as stated above - building a winning program is more than just recruiting. Winning shouldn't be the thing that gets a player who isn't even on campus yet, rated higher. It's asinine.

The main point is this: Recruiting rankings shouldn't be colored by a schools history (recent or past). It's lazy to incorporate it. Worse yet, is allowing your own fandom or relationships or where you live to "adjust" your perception of a recruits ranking.

I agree with what you’re saying. All I’m saying is, it’s pretty weak to say our players are better than their players and then lose to them when we play them. I was at that game, it was like getting surgery on your spleen. The fact is, we might lose to them again if we played them this season. I know you might think that’s wrong, but it’d be a distinct possibility. Even the thought of that makes me want to barf.

The second point is, if our players are really all that better than they’re rated, we’d be winning more. Period. Sure, there are other factors, but, in the end, good players win. Not so good players lose. We lose a lot. Our players aren’t undervalued all that much or we’d have a lot more positive results.

So, again, I agree, perceptions shouldn’t color rankings, but Orange glasses shouldn’t color actual results, which have been pretty poor.

I do see a difference in this year’s class, which is a lot of fun to be witnessing.