Cuse in the 2019 Draft...

[Trueblue25]

I completely forgot about Pierce. I dont doubt he’s capable of being a 2nd to 5th rounder. He’s a game changer we just need to exploit him

 

[RandomGuy]

Running the risk of being trolled at this post, I still find it absolutely mystifying that people are so enamored with Devito, yet simply dismiss Dungey as having any ability at all. This is college football; Dungey is a very, very good college football player.

Does Dungey lack elite arm strength and accuracy? Yep. Does Devito have elite arm strength and accuracy? We hear that he does and have even *seen film*, but nothing in a game yet.

Does Dungey lack an elite ability to read opposing defenses? Yep. Can Devito visually pick apart opposing D's? We hear that he can, but again, nothing in a game yet.

Dungey also has an innate, unteachable ability to make plays with his feet and get creative when things break down. He has a boatload of athleticism and we've seen it on display countless times. Sure, he might take off early more often than we would like to see, but it's not like he's been playing with an army of above-average players either. His line play has been suspect and we lack any semblance of a run game. Without Dungey, we wouldn't have had a prayer in any of those big wins the last 2 years. Do not kid yourself. Hard to see Devito being this effective when things break down, but time will tell.

I hope that Dungey plays 14 games this year. We should all hope that he does. I also hope that Devito will be ready to live up to his lofty expectations when his time is called. I have blind faith that Devito will be pretty good, but we should also be happy that we've got Dungey for another year.

And for the record, I would be shocked if Dungey ever plays on Sundays. Regardless of his impressive ability as a healthy college football player, he just simply doesn't translate well to the next level. I hope I'm wrong.

Agree 100%. I think improved line play should help him this year.

TD is just a little more polished, coming in. I think TD's speed #'s are a little better, so he may do well when things break down. Some of the TD thoughts are justified, but as you say, it's unproven, and ED is a good one.

 

[007]

I completely forgot about Pierce. I dont doubt he’s capable of being a 2nd to 5th rounder. He’s a game changer we just need to exploit him

Pierce will need to have a great season to get drafted. Not calling you out or dis'ing the player (I like his skills set)...but I have not seen anything close to "game changer" traits yet.

 

[Ish88888]

I dunno. He was better than maybe four of the starting qb's we played against last year. That doesnt cry out NFL ability to me. (In case you were wondering, I have him as better than the starters we faced at CCSU, Pitt, FSU, and BC). The kids at CMichy, LSU, Miami, NC State, and Clemson had more arm talent. The kids at MTSU and Wake had better all-around games. And Lamar Jackson.

Well that is your opinion he IS better than the LSU qb, Miami qb, and the MTSU qb. That UM qb was fragile, couldn't sniff the balls ED has and pardon the pun. Funny how many om here discount and underestimate their own starter bc they are waiting for TD to take the reigns . Also , some on this board have no ability to extrapolate EDs numbers given a full season.

 

[Ish88888]

To those chalking up Dungey's success to Babers Offense, he was a darn good as a True Freshman before Babers ever sniffed the Dome.

Excellent point. ED was humming in lesters O. Thus, while Dino continues to develop him , he isnt his savior. I love Dino as a QB guru and think he can show ED the promised land with a bit of healthy luck .

 

[orange79]

Well that is your opinion he IS better than the LSU qb, Miami qb, and the MTSU qb. That UM qb was fragile, couldn't sniff the balls ED has and pardon the pun. Funny how many om here discount and underestimate their own starter bc they are waiting for TD to take the reigns . Also , some on this board have no ability to extrapolate EDs numbers given a full season.

We have the ability. But the sad fact is that he hasn't played a full season. That is a big red flag to many teams, given how much money they will be investing in a player.

 

[Ish88888]

I thought before last year he was an NFL prospect at QB but he isn’t.
He doesn’t read defenses well and when his first read is covered he scrambles. That works in college where the speed isn’t the same as the NFL.
Dungey’s pro position would be H-back/TE.
His athleticism would play there and he could be a Trey Burton type player.
Dungey is a poor man’s Tebow in college football.
Tebow wouldn’t play H-back in the pros I don’t think Dungey would have the same problem.

Wow, ED's arm talent is light years that of Tebow .

 

[Ish88888]

We have the ability. But the sad fact is that he hasn't played a full season. That is a big red flag to many teams, given how much money they will be investing in a player.

I get it, this isnt a thread on durability, rather a discussion on talent . When on the field ED supasses those players!

 

[RandomGuy]

Next year's dline class should be very deep... Will be tough for slayton...

 

[orange79]

I get it, this isnt a thread on durability, rather a discussion on talent . When on the field ED supasses those players!

You started the thread with a title of 'Cuse in the 2019 Draft'. It became then (and rightfully so) a discussion about Dungey's draftability. Saying his numbers extrapolated to a full season are better than someone else is fine. But you can't use that argument to determine his potential draft position until he shows he can play a full season. Just MO.

 

[Ish88888]

I'd expect 19 to be similar to the past couple of drafts

Dungeys past health is going to hurt his stock no matter how great he plays. He also needs to have a passing accuracy in the upper 60's, probably low 70's to help out.

Pierce will be drafted probably 3-4 round at worst

Slayton probably goes 4-5 at worst. With a season we hope he has he could jump to the 2-3 range

Custis - no
Frederick - no
Whitner - no
Perkins - no
Guthrie - no
Roberts - no
Conway - maybe 7th

As of now 2020 is not too much better, maybe a couple of guys projecting as mid rounders

Wow , funny how most of this board have become TD homers discounting what our current guy has done for 4 years. That's the world that we live in and its sad and despicable. ED is one full year of play away from being on the big board this year . To call him Tebow is a flat out insult and actually calls out your fb acumen and understanding of the game. He is far better the player than Tebow EVER was. Tebow is still on the national radar bc of his good looks, name , AND ability to understand marketing .

Back to your post:
Custis is a monumental disappointment , has been for 5 years, took a shirt to make sure on that. Conway could be inside of the top 5 rounds if he stays healthy and has a solid year. Like alot of OUR Oline talent.

 

[orangepassion]

I can't speak to his ability to read defenses or not, but think Dungey is pretty accurate, though I don't think he has the strongest arm..

 

[TheCusian]

Sure, there are some RPO quarterbacks still alive. Michael Vic was the protoype, and currently Russell Wilson is playing that roll extremely well and cheating death and serious injury. But there are (precious) few others that have survived. I think RGIII was considered an RPO-style QB before they shredded his knees. Tyrod wants to be an RPO but has lasted because he listened to coaches and cut down his scrambling. So it's hard imagining Dungey, who's been injured every season, trying to be an RPO guy for any stretch of time in a league with assassins all over the field. He's very athletic. But he has to show more FB IQ and arm strength to put himself in a draft discussion.

RPO isn’t that.

Think Wentz, not Vic.

 

[Alsacs]

Wow, ED's arm talent is light years that of Tebow .

This is just factually wrong.
Dungey is a great player but his arm talent is average at best.
He isn’t accurate he is a playmaker not a passer.
I love Dungey but he isn’t an NFL QB prospect. He could play another position in the pros.

 

[Ish88888]

RPO isn’t that.

Think Wentz, not Vic.

True, and baker was drafted off his RPO numbers. People question Josh Allen , but his offense was premised on down field reads. Thus his below 60% stats.

 

[Ish88888]

This is just factually wrong.
Dungey is a great player but his arm talent is average at best.
He isn’t accurate he is a playmaker not a passer.
I love Dungey but he isn’t an NFL QB prospect. He could play another position in the pros.

You are probably right, but comparing his arm to Tebow's is way off.

 

[PAcuse]

Dungey did have more suspect deep throws this year then most of us would like and had some head shaking INTs as well. Watching him warm up at the spring game his deep balls seemed to have a better touch to them and his overall throws looked clean.
If the line can keep the pressure off and he stays healthy all year he will but up some crazy numbers. The NFL does not draft to statistics as most know, but I think he could still develop into a late round draft pick say 5th to 7th round.

 

[PAcuse]

Samuels is going to get hurt by it being a deep DL class. 7 of the top 10 players, as of right now, are listed as DL.

 

[GoSU96]

If, SU goes 9-4, has some a set of name wins, that is more than a single upset, and he puts up a 3o + TD's and single digit ints, then Dungey will get some looks.

Until now he's accumulated yds, injuries, and a hell of a lot more losses than wins.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If, SU goes 9-4, has some a set of name wins, that is more than a single upset, and he puts up a 3o + TD's and single digit ints, then Dungey will get some looks.

Until now he's accumulated yds, injuries, and a hell of a lot more losses than wins.

Has he lost more than he has won?

My sense is he might have, but a lot of our losing has happened when he's been out.

 

[RandomGuy]

Samuels is going to get hurt by it being a deep DL class. 7 of the top 10 players, as of right now, are listed as DL.

Next year's dline class should be very deep... Will be tough for slayton...

Great minds..;-). For that reason alone, I think he falls to the 5th or lower.

 

[rrlbees]

Has he lost more than he has won?

My sense is he might have, but a lot of our losing has happened when he's been out.

Think he’s like 11-15, which if correct we are 1-9 without him.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Think he’s like 11-15, which if correct we are 1-9 without him.

Ok, so he would need a pretty good year to leave with a winning record. Not totally out of reach, but we'd need to do well.

 

[reedny]

RPO isn’t that.

Think Wentz, not Vic.

I make a distinction between QB's that are mobile and can scramble occasionally like Wentz, and QB's that are actual RPO's like Wilson.

 

[longislandcuse]

Dungey probably gets drafted IF he stays healthy, as he’ll be a year removed from his injury riddled years and probably puts up big numbers this year on what is hopefully a bowl team.

If he can’t, no way. Rosen slid, in part, due to his injury history and concussions. Nobody is drafting a guy who missed multiples games 3 years in a row with a concussion history.