Dabo just got paid !

[UnknownOrange]

Uh, no.

GOOD S&C coaches are incredibly valuable.
Just look at the difference w/ our players NOW, vs. what we rolled out under the prior regime.
It's like night & day. Coach E and crew are doing AMAZING work w/ these young men.
The size AND speed increases are remarkable.

IF it was so easy, how come our prior teams didn't have remotely that success?

Clemson was wise to give Dabo that raise.
He's as "locked in" as could possibly be, and IF he leaves for 'Bama or the NFL, then Clemson will likely get a massive buyout paid back to them, to fund paying for their next guy.

Which is part of why Syracuse gave Dino an extension.
(clearly not to the same level as Dabo, but probably as much as we could reasonably afford)

Coaching salaries are out of control. ADs and their teams are getting paid ungodly amounts.

It is all so they don't have to pay the players.

The two highest paid strength coaches are at Iowa and Tennessee. Two programs who haven't done jack squat in the last 5 years.

Coach Edinger has been fantastic - but his profession is littered with grossly overpaid people

Both can be true.

Dabo is a terrific coach, but it's ridiculous.

Think of how much the business has grown since say 1980. Every single position involved is getting PAID... except those actually doing the work

 

[nzm136]

Strength and conditioning coaches are hardly doing the jobs of brain surgeons... but they're getting paid like they are.

Don't tell me "Oh it's what the market dictates" because that's only because you're getting interns to move your products.

Coaches are getting paid 9 million dollars a year because the schools need to burn the money somewhere to show their not "making money"

It's truly unbelievable.

The amateur status of college athletes does make their respective sports more profitable. You’re right. That’s a fact. However, the difference between a great coach and an average coach is worth more than a couple million for a major revenue sport. In Dabo’s case, it worth significantly more than $9 MM. That part of your argument is where you lose me. Think about how much money and value winning (and being in contention to win) titles can bring into a university.

But in the first point, it’s also worth knowing and recognizing where the ‘extra’ money goes. It goes to back to the university (benefitting students) and into non-revenue sports. It’s not exactly going to a bad cause, and though it’s true that the benefit to the players isn’t what it could be, it’s still a good deal for the revenue athletes (otherwise they wouldn’t play).

 

[rrlbees]

To compare apples to apples I’d like to know how much of the contracts the schools are actually paying for the top coaches like Dabo, Saban, etc. Even Dino.

 

[UnknownOrange]

The amateur status of college athletes does make their respective sports more profitable. You’re right. That’s a fact. However, the difference between a great coach and an average coach is worth more than a couple million for a major revenue sport. In Dabo’s case, it worth significantly more than $9 MM. That part of your argument is where you lose me. Think about how much money and value winning (and being in contention to win) titles can bring into a university.

But in the first point, it’s also worth knowing and recognizing where the ‘extra’ money goes. It goes to back to the university (benefitting students) and into non-revenue sports. It’s not exactly going to a bad cause, and though it’s true that the benefit to the players isn’t what it could be, it’s still a good deal for the revenue athletes (otherwise they wouldn’t play).

Maybe I'm not giving my points across the way in my head... I just have a hard time accepting what college football has grown to be, all the while athletes are just given a scholarship. I understand how valuable a scholarship is and what a great opportunity it is for many... but that's exactly what they got in 1982 when the highest paid coach made $1.1 million in today's money.

LSU's defensive coordinator gets paid more than double than one of the greatest coaches in history.

Athletes deserve more. It's fine if you don't agree.

 

[nzm136]

Maybe I'm not giving my points across the way in my head... I just have a hard time accepting what college football has grown to be, all the while athletes are just given a scholarship. I understand how valuable a scholarship is and what a great opportunity it is for many... but that's exactly what they got in 1982 when the highest paid coach made $1.1 million in today's money.

LSU's defensive coordinator gets paid more than double than one of the greatest coaches in history.

Athletes deserve more. It's fine if you don't agree.

“Deserve” is a hard concept. I see what you mean in a way. College athletes would be paid more if there wasn’t what’s effectively a salary cap. Using that lense, you’re right. However, I’d argue there’s more to it than that lense. I’m not sure that I can clearly and concisely articulate why, but I think teachers deserve to get paid more, but they don’t, even in the absence of a salary cap. I’d also argue that it’s silly to pay a man 8 figures to throw/catch/carry a little ball. Yet, by a definition that I find generally reasonable (fair market value), that’s exactly what many pro athletes deserve.

With the above in mind, I can’t say that you’re wrong. I also can’t say that you’re illogical. I can say that I’m not equipped to make a definitive determination in that regard. I can also say that I try to (conveniently) dodge the issue by asking what’s best for society and what’s best for the median student. At least in my head, the best thing for both the students and the players is finding a way to put a cap on the system. By ‘the system,’ I mean coaching numbers, player perks (including salaries), coach numbers, and facilities. Since having a true cap is a pipe dream, I’m content with the status quo. Then, arguable hypocritically and undeniably selfishly, I want SU to engage in the arms race while the market is still inefficient, so that SU can find alpha to share with the SU community, enriching the lives of current students, alumni, and fans.

 

[UnknownOrange]

“Deserve” is a hard concept. I see what you mean in a way. College athletes would be paid more if there wasn’t what’s effectively a salary cap. Using that lense, you’re right. However, I’d argue there’s more to it than that lense. I’m not sure that I can clearly and concisely articulate why, but I think teachers deserve to get paid more, but they don’t, even in the absence of a salary cap. I’d also argue that it’s silly to pay a man 8 figures to throw/catch/carry a little ball. Yet, by a definition that I find generally reasonable (fair market value), that’s exactly what many pro athletes deserve.

With the above in mind, I can’t say that you’re wrong. I also can’t say that you’re illogical. I can say that I’m not equipped to make a definitive determination in that regard. I can also say that I try to (conveniently) dodge the issue by asking what’s best for society and what’s best for the median student. At least in my head, the best thing for both the students and the players is finding a way to put a cap on the system. By ‘the system,’ I mean coaching numbers, player perks (including salaries), coach numbers, and facilities. Since having a true cap is a pipe dream, I’m content with the status quo. Then, arguable hypocritically and undeniably selfishly, I want SU to engage in the arms race while the market is still inefficient, so that SU can find alpha to share with the SU community, enriching the lives of current students, alumni, and fans.

And I understand where you come from too - I just don't like the current state of the business side of college football and something should change, IMO.