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I watched Dayton play SJU in person on Saturday. My impressions:

Dayton loves to play at a breakneck pace. Every time they grabbed a defensive rebound Miller would exhort them to race down court. I think they will attempt this often against SU for two reasons: 1) to attack before the zone is set up and 2) to try to wear SU down due to lack of depth. I think it will be critical for SU to get back on defense and also important to try to control tempo. Lastly, JB will have to strategically blend the rotation because if it is fast paced then we might run out of gas in the critical stages of the game.

Dayton is not great at shooting 3s. Cooke is their best and Scootchie Smith is next. Smith has a funky release but somehow he makes his share. Dayton took several ill-advised long threes and missed almost all of them. I think JB will encourage them to take 3s until they hit a few. Another guard off the bench - Kyle Davis- does not want to take 3s. SJU left him open and he still tried to penetrate. One thing these guys can do is drive to the basket. Smith is quick as lightning with a dazzling array of moves. Our big guys will have to be alert and help because he will get to the rim. As I said above, the fast break is an issue and Smith is their main guy on the break.

The Dayton front line is not big but they are active and aggressive and play with high motors. Dyshawn Pierre is a man and will need to be boxed out. Cooke is probably only 6'5" but he can jump out of the building. Pollard is decent too. They have a big guy (McElvene) who is a freshman and is nearly 7' tall. He has potential to be good down the line but for now he is mainly a shot blocker although he had a few nice pick and roll buckets against SJU.

Overall offensively Dayton is not a great team but if they are allowed to run then it will improve their efficiency. If they have to operate against our zone it definitely works to SU's advantage. They have an average low post game at best but we can't sleep on their front court because they rebound ok despite their lack of size.

Defense is Dayton's strong suit. Cooke held Deandre Bembry to nine points which was the first time Bembry was held to < 10 points all year. Bembry is likely to be in the NBA next year so that was impressive and Cooke was in his pocket all game long. I would assume Cooke will cover G. Defensively Dayton plays primarily man and they do it aggressively. It will be a challenge to operate efficiently against these guys. Isaiah Miles a 6'8" forward for SJU had a huge game nailing threes as he shot over a smaller defender. It's possible Lydon could have some success like that.

In some ways this is a good matchup for SU because UD is not a powerful team down low in terms of low post game and rebounding dominance. To me that is by far SU's biggest weakness. My two main concerns would be matching UD's intensity and controlling the tempo in this game. SU doesn't always play with the level of intensity that UD is likely to bring to this game. I think we can control the tempo but that will require minimizing turnovers and converting efficiently. It will be key for Roberson to show up on the boards at both ends. I expect a very tight game.
 
<<<I think JB will encourage them to take 3s until they hit a few. >>>


i dont like that strategy, especially in an ncaa tourny game. all it takes is 1 guy getting hot from 3 and we're toast. see the pitt game last week. against a team like unc it makes more sense since they kill us on the boards but dayton isnt that big.
 
SU must make shots of course. But a big key will be Roberson. He needs to be aggressive all game and have a monster day on the boards like at Duke. He can't come and go in the game. A coupe monster dunks would be nice too to fire up the team. Coleman needs to stay out of foul trouble as well. And Cooney shooting say 40 pct from 3 combined with G's normal good game and respectable contributions from the others. If so, then it's on to MSU.
 
I watched Dayton play SJU in person on Saturday. My impressions:

Dayton loves to play at a breakneck pace. Every time they grabbed a defensive rebound Miller would exhort them to race down court. I think they will attempt this often against SU for two reasons: 1) to attack before the zone is set up and 2) to try to wear SU down due to lack of depth. I think it will be critical for SU to get back on defense and also important to try to control tempo. Lastly, JB will have to strategically blend the rotation because if it is fast paced then we might run out of gas in the critical stages of the game.

Dayton is not great at shooting 3s. Cooke is their best and Scootchie Smith is next. Smith has a funky release but somehow he makes his share. Dayton took several ill-advised long threes and missed almost all of them. I think JB will encourage them to take 3s until they hit a few. Another guard off the bench - Kyle Davis- does not want to take 3s. SJU left him open and he still tried to penetrate. One thing these guys can do is drive to the basket. Smith is quick as lightning with a dazzling array of moves. Our big guys will have to be alert and help because he will get to the rim. As I said above, the fast break is an issue and Smith is their main guy on the break.

The Dayton front line is not big but they are active and aggressive and play with high motors. Dyshawn Pierre is a man and will need to be boxed out. Cooke is probably only 6'5" but he can jump out of the building. Pollard is decent too. They have a big guy (McElvene) who is a freshman and is nearly 7' tall. He has potential to be good down the line but for now he is mainly a shot blocker although he had a few nice pick and roll buckets against SJU.

Overall offensively Dayton is not a great team but if they are allowed to run then it will improve their efficiency. If they have to operate against our zone it definitely works to SU's advantage. They have an average low post game at best but we can't sleep on their front court because they rebound ok despite their lack of size.

Defense is Dayton's strong suit. Cooke held Deandre Bembry to nine points which was the first time Bembry was held to < 10 points all year. Bembry is likely to be in the NBA next year so that was impressive and Cooke was in his pocket all game long. I would assume Cooke will cover G. Defensively Dayton plays primarily man and they do it aggressively. It will be a challenge to operate efficiently against these guys. Isaiah Miles a 6'8" forward for SJU had a huge game nailing threes as he shot over a smaller defender. It's possible Lydon could have some success like that.

In some ways this is a good matchup for SU because UD is not a powerful team down low in terms of low post game and rebounding dominance. To me that is by far SU's biggest weakness. My two main concerns would be matching UD's intensity and controlling the tempo in this game. SU doesn't always play with the level of intensity that UD is likely to bring to this game. I think we can control the tempo but that will require minimizing turnovers and converting efficiently. It will be key for Roberson to show up on the boards at both ends. I expect a very tight game.


LOL
 
I read somewhere that Pollard has a knee injury for Dayton and is not 100%.
 
I read somewhere that Pollard has a knee injury for Dayton and is not 100%.

Yeah he has been battling that for 3-4 weeks and missed a few games. He played Saturday though and looked ok.
 
LOL

I was trying to be diplomatic. If JB's gonna play Coleman and Howard for minimal minutes then we'll pay the price at the end of this game.
 
that Dayton game in 2014 was a rock fight. That team did not play at a breakneck pace. What changed?
 
So you're saying it's going to be 60-57 rock fight?
 
  • Against Zone so far this year: Dayton is "Very Good" shooting 174-386 (45%) ranking them in the 73rd percentile nationally
  • Their overall half court offense is average shooting 625-1444 (43.3%) putting them in the 48th percentile nationally
  • Dayton shoots 181-533 (34%) from the three point line on the year. Ranking them in the 48th percentile on that as well.
  • Catch and shoot being guarded Dayton shoots 90-275 (33%) which is average ranking them in the 47th percentile
  • Unguarded Dayton shoots 79-218 (36.2%) which is Average and ranks them in the 41st percentile
  • Dayton is very balanced offensively with FIVE players scoring over 250 points on the season
  • Offensive rebounds is NOT their forte. They are in the 28th percentile in scoring off offensive rebounds.
DEFENSIVELY

  • Dayton is EXCELLENT in the half court on defense. Holding teams to 624-1599 (39%). This ranks in the 88th percentile nationally.
  • They never play zone. Ever.
  • PNR defense they are excellent holding teams to 86-262 (33%) ranking them in the 90th percentile nationally
  • Their biggest weakness is in the post defense. They rank in the 23rd percentile defensively in the post(Too bad we have zero post threats).
  • Their 3-point defense is good holding teams 204-605 (33%) Ranking in the 55th percentile nationally
All in all, this game is going to be a war and a low scoring game. The pace will be slow but Dayton will look to try to score in transition when they can. Their defense scares me big time because they are fantastic guarding PNR's and that's all our offense is. The times we have struggled to score this year is to teams who actually know how to guard ball screens. They do not offensive rebound well which is a positive for us. That's where we have gotten killed. They are a decent shooting team and we need to hold them to one shot because baskets will be hard to come by this game.
 
Roberson is a huge key in this game. If he has a huge game on the glass, we win.
 
While it's probably the right strategy for this matchup, it pains me... it really pains me... that we're Syracuse and we need to play slowball and hope Dayton doesn't run us off the court.
 
that Dayton game in 2014 was a rock fight. That team did not play at a breakneck pace. What changed?

I'm going by what I saw on Saturday. It was very apparent Miller wanted to run up and down the floor. I could see why. He doesn't have great outside shooters or a dominating post presence but he does have quick athletes that are good in the open court along with a fairly decent bench.
 
<<<I think JB will encourage them to take 3s until they hit a few. >>>


i dont like that strategy, especially in an ncaa tourny game. all it takes is 1 guy getting hot from 3 and we're toast. see the pitt game last week. against a team like unc it makes more sense since they kill us on the boards but dayton isnt that big.

What I meant by that is that it would be dangerous to overplay UD's guards because they're very quick and could get into the lane easily and wreak havoc.
 
  • Against Zone so far this year: Dayton is "Very Good" shooting 174-386 (45%) ranking them in the 73rd percentile nationally
  • Their overall half court offense is average shooting 625-1444 (43.3%) putting them in the 48th percentile nationally
  • Dayton shoots 181-533 (34%) from the three point line on the year. Ranking them in the 48th percentile on that as well.
  • Catch and shoot being guarded Dayton shoots 90-275 (33%) which is average ranking them in the 47th percentile
  • Unguarded Dayton shoots 79-218 (36.2%) which is Average and ranks them in the 41st percentile
  • Dayton is very balanced offensively with FIVE players scoring over 250 points on the season
  • Offensive rebounds is NOT their forte. They are in the 28th percentile in scoring off offensive rebounds.
DEFENSIVELY

  • Dayton is EXCELLENT in the half court on defense. Holding teams to 624-1599 (39%). This ranks in the 88th percentile nationally.
  • They never play zone. Ever.
  • PNR defense they are excellent holding teams to 86-262 (33%) ranking them in the 90th percentile nationally
  • Their biggest weakness is in the post defense. They rank in the 23rd percentile defensively in the post(Too bad we have zero post threats).
  • Their 3-point defense is good holding teams 204-605 (33%) Ranking in the 55th percentile nationally
All in all, this game is going to be a war and a low scoring game. The pace will be slow but Dayton will look to try to score in transition when they can. Their defense scares me big time because they are fantastic guarding PNR's and that's all our offense is. The times we have struggled to score this year is to teams who actually know how to guard ball screens. They do not offensive rebound well which is a positive for us. That's where we have gotten killed. They are a decent shooting team and we need to hold them to one shot because baskets will be hard to come by this game.

I agree with everything you say except for the pace. The pace will only be slow if SU is very successful at dictating the tempo. Miller will try like hell to amp up the pace. Seventeen times this year they scored 70+ points. They want to run like crazy and will want to run even more against SU because of the zone/depth issues. Miller was like a wild man waving his arms to run every time UD snared a defensive rebound on Saturday. And SJU is a team that is probably more capable of playing the running game than SU.
 
We have to pl;ay with urgency from the tip. We can't wait until the last 5 minutes like we did vs UNC and Pitt.

I like our ability this year to handle dragged out battles better than 2014.


This team has a 2nd lease on their season with no expectations but to go out and ball. I think we will see a much more relaxed and energized 'Cuse. I just want a shot at the Spartans -- I don't care if we win 39-38 or 99-98. Survive and Advance. Make the whole country realize that we belong in this tournament. This is G's time.
 
I watched Dayton play SJU in person on Saturday. My impressions:

Dayton loves to play at a breakneck pace. Every time they grabbed a defensive rebound Miller would exhort them to race down court. I think they will attempt this often against SU for two reasons: 1) to attack before the zone is set up and 2) to try to wear SU down due to lack of depth. I think it will be critical for SU to get back on defense and also important to try to control tempo. Lastly, JB will have to strategically blend the rotation because if it is fast paced then we might run out of gas in the critical stages of the game.

Dayton is not great at shooting 3s. Cooke is their best and Scootchie Smith is next. Smith has a funky release but somehow he makes his share. Dayton took several ill-advised long threes and missed almost all of them. I think JB will encourage them to take 3s until they hit a few. Another guard off the bench - Kyle Davis- does not want to take 3s. SJU left him open and he still tried to penetrate. One thing these guys can do is drive to the basket. Smith is quick as lightning with a dazzling array of moves. Our big guys will have to be alert and help because he will get to the rim. As I said above, the fast break is an issue and Smith is their main guy on the break.

The Dayton front line is not big but they are active and aggressive and play with high motors. Dyshawn Pierre is a man and will need to be boxed out. Cooke is probably only 6'5" but he can jump out of the building. Pollard is decent too. They have a big guy (McElvene) who is a freshman and is nearly 7' tall. He has potential to be good down the line but for now he is mainly a shot blocker although he had a few nice pick and roll buckets against SJU.

Overall offensively Dayton is not a great team but if they are allowed to run then it will improve their efficiency. If they have to operate against our zone it definitely works to SU's advantage. They have an average low post game at best but we can't sleep on their front court because they rebound ok despite their lack of size.

Defense is Dayton's strong suit. Cooke held Deandre Bembry to nine points which was the first time Bembry was held to < 10 points all year. Bembry is likely to be in the NBA next year so that was impressive and Cooke was in his pocket all game long. I would assume Cooke will cover G. Defensively Dayton plays primarily man and they do it aggressively. It will be a challenge to operate efficiently against these guys. Isaiah Miles a 6'8" forward for SJU had a huge game nailing threes as he shot over a smaller defender. It's possible Lydon could have some success like that.

In some ways this is a good matchup for SU because UD is not a powerful team down low in terms of low post game and rebounding dominance. To me that is by far SU's biggest weakness. My two main concerns would be matching UD's intensity and controlling the tempo in this game. SU doesn't always play with the level of intensity that UD is likely to bring to this game. I think we can control the tempo but that will require minimizing turnovers and converting efficiently. It will be key for Roberson to show up on the boards at both ends. I expect a very tight game.

If they like to run after defensive rebounds we really need to make our shots so the zone can get setup. The part about making shots worries me. I hope the right Orange team shows up!
 
We have to pl;ay with urgency from the tip. We can't wait until the last 5 minutes like we did vs UNC and Pitt.

I like our ability this year to handle dragged out battles better than 2014.


This team has a 2nd lease on their season with no expectations but to go out and ball. I think we will see a much more relaxed and energized 'Cuse. I just want a shot at the Spartans -- I don't care if we win 39-38 or 99-98. Survive and Advance. Make the whole country realize that we belong in this tournament. This is G's time.

They had enough time off. They should come out with energy!
 
Sounds like a good opponent for 'Cuse. Dayton wants to fast break but won't be able to, SU has shut that down this year. Dayton doesn't have the dominating inside presence -the big Achilles heel for SU this year.

We should be able to out-shoot them in a slower paced game.
 
Sounds like a good opponent for 'Cuse. Dayton wants to fast break but won't be able to, SU has shut that down this year. Dayton doesn't have the dominating inside presence -the big Achilles heel for SU this year.

We should be able to out-shoot them in a slower paced game.
That's what we thught in 2014.

I have a better feeling about this year than 2014 though -- maybe it's being an underdog. I just think this team will come out hungry.
 
We have to pl;ay with urgency from the tip. We can't wait until the last 5 minutes like we did vs UNC and Pitt.

I like our ability this year to handle dragged out battles better than 2014.


This team has a 2nd lease on their season with no expectations but to go out and ball. I think we will see a much more relaxed and energized 'Cuse. I just want a shot at the Spartans -- I don't care if we win 39-38 or 99-98. Survive and Advance. Make the whole country realize that we belong in this tournament. This is G's time.
That's a false narrative about our two most-recent losses to Pitt. We led both games by 10 points about 10 or so minutes into the game.
 

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