DB Ja'Had Carter / Portal from Ohio State to NC State

[FrancoPizza]

Well, we didn’t lose Sean Tucker and Mikel Jones to massive factory schools the previous year that had massive deals

So that tells you all you need to know.

However, if you think we have a massive problem, have you donated to 315 or to Fine Mess collective??

Both collectives are actively taking ANY donors they can get, large or small!

We really need a collective just for the revenue teams - hoops and football. There are some people, myself included, that want to see a little more discretion on which sports are targeted.

 

[gmoney44]

Well, we didn’t lose Sean Tucker and Mikel Jones to massive factory schools the previous year that had massive deals

So that tells you all you need to know.

However, if you think we have a massive problem, have you donated to 315 or to Fine Mess collective??

Both collectives are actively taking ANY donors they can get, large or small!

That was last year. This year we lost our two best players on D in football and probably our 1b most important player in basketball. I won’t count JG because I think he was leaving regardless of NIL. The gap is widening between the have and have-nots and I believe it’s only going to get worse.

I’ve given the collectives some thought recently and I have decided I won’t be donating. I have supported SU athletics my whole life by attending countless home and away games, ungodly amounts on Dome concession and apparel. In my mind that’s enough. If I’m going to donate money it’s going to be to make a wish, veterans, cancer research or some other charity. Not to a bunch of kids that already had a pretty sweet deal before NIL.

 

[money3189]

That was last year. This year we lost our two best players on D in football and probably our 1b most important player in basketball. I won’t count JG because I think he was leaving regardless of NIL. The gap is widening between the have and have-nots and I believe it’s only going to get worse.

I’ve given the collectives some thought recently and I have decided I won’t be donating. I have supported SU athletics my whole life by attending countless home and away games, ungodly amounts on Dome concession and apparel. In my mind that’s enough. If I’m going to donate money it’s going to be to make a wish, veterans, cancer research or some other charity. Not to a bunch of kids that already had a pretty sweet deal before NIL.

Understandable. I would just add that they did retain some guys this year as well. The product will be what the collectives produce. Every other P5 fanbase are facing the same choices.

 

[JRHEETER]

That was last year. This year we lost our two best players on D in football and probably our 1b most important player in basketball. I won’t count JG because I think he was leaving regardless of NIL. The gap is widening between the have and have-nots and I believe it’s only going to get worse.

I’ve given the collectives some thought recently and I have decided I won’t be donating. I have supported SU athletics my whole life by attending countless home and away games, ungodly amounts on Dome concession and apparel. In my mind that’s enough. If I’m going to donate money it’s going to be to make a wish, veterans, cancer research or some other charity. Not to a bunch of kids that already had a pretty sweet deal before NIL.

Fair enough, however, I don’t think you can complain about NIL and Syracuse not having enough money to go around…

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Way too much hand-wringing going on. SU has plenty of resources to play in this game.

Also, NIL will not be the wild west forever. I fully expect Charlie Baker, the new President of the NCAA, and our former governor much respected by Republicans and Democrats alike for his competence, too reign it in.

 

[gmoney44]

Fair enough, however, I don’t think you can complain about NIL and Syracuse not having enough money to go around…

Sure I can when they just chased off a billionaire.

 

[anomander]

Based on his family's situation he opted for the most money. Im sure he was confident he would win the starting position at Ohio State and actually increase his draft status.

Of course that’s what he’s thinking. I’m just saying sometimes these cash grab decisions could sometimes be short sighted.

 

[SuFTW]

Sure I can when they just chased off a billionaire.

That billionaire was still around when Carter and Chestnut left.

 

[gmoney44]

That billionaire was still around when Carter and Chestnut left.

Exactly. It’s only going down hill. This is just the beginning. It’s only going to get worse.

 

[qdawgg]

Exactly. It’s only going down hill. This is just the beginning. It’s only going to get worse.

Good lord. When my wife thinks I’m negative I’m just going to save your last 3-4 posts. A whole bunch of factory schools in FB and BB have lost important players this year b/c of NIL. Does Alabama and Michigan not have enough $ to compete with Kansas, should their fans be scared and depressed?

 

[gmoney44]

Good lord. When my wife thinks I’m negative I’m just going to save your last 3-4 posts. A whole bunch of factory schools in FB and BB have lost important players this year b/c of NIL. Does Alabama and Michigan not have enough $ to compete with Kansas, should their fans be scared and depressed?

Ok guy. Keep that head in the sand. We’re rolling in football, basketball and lacrosse. Everything is golden. Stay the course.

 

[GoSU96]

That was last year. This year we lost our two best players on D in football and probably our 1b most important player in basketball. I won’t count JG because I think he was leaving regardless of NIL. The gap is widening between the have and have-nots and I believe it’s only going to get worse.

I’ve given the collectives some thought recently and I have decided I won’t be donating. I have supported SU athletics my whole life by attending countless home and away games, ungodly amounts on Dome concession and apparel. In my mind that’s enough. If I’m going to donate money it’s going to be to make a wish, veterans, cancer research or some other charity. Not to a bunch of kids that already had a pretty sweet deal before NIL.

Those guys weren’t the two best returning defensive players, in particular Carter

 

[JRHEETER]

Exactly. It’s only going down hill. This is just the beginning. It’s only going to get worse.

Guess you should probably turn in your Syracuse fan card

 

[gmoney44]

Those guys weren’t the two best returning defensive players, in particular Carter

That is definitely debatable but I’d like to know who you think our top 2 are? Wax and Duce?

 

[gmoney44]

Guess you should probably turn in your Syracuse fan card

Here we go. Because I don’t like the direction of the programs and the decisions the admin has made I’m not a fan.

 

[GoSU96]

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That is definitely debatable but I’d like to know who you think our top 2 are? Wax and Duce?

wax, Thompson , Caleb to start. I’d put Clark and Barron ahead of Carter at Safety.

 

[gmoney44]

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wax, Thompson , Caleb to start. I’d put Clark and Barron ahead of Carter at Safety.

Carter was our biggest playmaker on D but all the guys you mentioned are legitimate playmakers.

 

[JRHEETER]

Here we go. Because I don’t like the direction of the programs and the decisions the admin has made I’m not a fan.

No, but it can’t be any fun thinking that everything is terrible

We had a soccer team just win a national championship

The women’s lax team has been ranked #1

Men’s basketball just got a new coach and brought in two stud transfers (they weren’t cheap)

Football just went to a bowl game and while lost Carter and Duce, brought in some really good transfers from Nebraska and Notre Dame with more years left to continue to solidify the defense. We didn’t lose Thompson or Wax

I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m the first to be critical of Syracuse

But you complain about the NIL not doing enough, then you say you wouldn’t donate to them to help… okay well if everyone has that attitude it’s going to be really hard to get money.

Then you say we lost all our good players and nothing is going right

It just is overly negative

Does it make you feel good to be that negative? Is it a stress relief?

I mean that’s a weird flex but whatever makes you happy I guess

 

[qdawgg]

No, but it can’t be any fun thinking that everything is terrible

We had a soccer team just win a national championship

The women’s lax team has been ranked #1

Men’s basketball just got a new coach and brought in two stud transfers (they weren’t cheap)

Football just went to a bowl game and while lost Carter and Duce, brought in some really good transfers from Nebraska and Notre Dame with more years left to continue to solidify the defense. We didn’t lose Thompson or Wax

I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m the first to be critical of Syracuse

But you complain about the NIL not doing enough, then you say you wouldn’t donate to them to help… okay well if everyone has that attitude it’s going to be really hard to get money.

Then you say we lost all our good players and nothing is going right

It just is overly negative

Does it make you feel good to be that negative? Is it a stress relief?

I mean that’s a weird flex but whatever makes you happy I guess

It’s not just overly negative but it lacks all the context you mentioned. It’s looking at everything in vacuum.

 

[qdawgg]

Ok guy. Keep that head in the sand. We’re rolling in football, basketball and lacrosse. Everything is golden. Stay the course.

Head in the sand….. I feel like there’s a “kettle” joke in there somewhere but just can’t pinpoint it……

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Way too much hand-wringing going on. SU has plenty of resources to play in this game.

Also, NIL will not be the wild west forever. I fully expect Charlie Baker, the new President of the NCAA, and our former governor much respected by Republicans and Democrats alike for his competence, too reign it in.

Baker got hired to lobby Congress on behalf of the NCAA. They know they can't put toothpaste back in the tube, and so they're going to try to get Congress to do it for them.

 

[djorange1989]

Baker got hired to lobby Congress on behalf of the NCAA. They know they can't put toothpaste back in the tube, and so they're going to try to get Congress to do it for them.

Yep and they are fooling themselves, Congress won’t save them. Players will end up with a union to represent them and collectively bargain some kind of guard rails

 

[Dcuse]

Here we go. Because I don’t like the direction of the programs and the decisions the admin has made I’m not a fan.

You're " this is only the beginning. It's only going to get worse" comment. Just go away with that, superfan.

 

[sutomcat]

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wax, Thompson , Caleb to start. I’d put Clark and Barron ahead of Carter at Safety.

Here are some objective measures that can be used to measure the contributions of different football players.

I like Duce and Ja'Had. Both good players. But they were not anywhere near as impactful as many others on the field last season. Heck, Garrett Williams made more plays in 6 and a half games than Duce did playing 12.

Looked to me as though Duce was hurt again most of last season and was not able to run well. He got picked on a lot. 1 pass breakup for a whole season is...not great. His run support was still good but he got beat too often.

Ja'Had has never put up the numbers you would like from a safety, and I think struggled learning his responsibilities but to his credit, I think he was finally getting things together the second half of the season.

Syracuse Defensive Statistics 2022​

Individual Defensive Statistics

#	PLAYER	GP	SOLO	ASST	TOT	TFL-YDS	SACKS-YDS	INT	BU	QBH	FR	FF	KICK	SAF
2	Wax, Marlowe	13	53	38	91.0	10.5-48	4.5-31	0	2	7	2	2	1	0
3	Jones, Mikel	11	41	43	84.0	7.0-40	4.0-27	0	0	5	1	1	0	0
23	Barron, Justin	13	40	25	65.0	5.0-13	1.0-7	0	1	2	1	0	0	0
5	Clark, Alijah	12	31	24	55.0	2.5-3	0-0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0
45	Darton, Kevon	13	28	26	54.0	4.0-12	0-0	0	0	3	0	0	0	0
20	Johnson, Isaiah	13	36	17	53.0	0-0	0-0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
93	Okechukwu, Caleb	13	27	21	48.0	10.0-46	7.0-40	1	0	5	0	2	0	0
15	McDonald, Derek	9	22	21	43.0	2.0-10	1.0-6	1	2	3	0	1	0	0
0	Chestnut, Duce	12	27	13	40.0	1.5-2	0-0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
12	Sparrow, Anwar	11	25	15	40.0	5.5-18	1.5-9	0	2	1	1	2	0	0
14	Simmons Jr., Jason	12	22	16	38.0	1.5-3	0-0	1	7	1	0	0	0	0
1	Carter, Ja'Had	12	20	16	36.0	0.5-1	0-0	3	3	0	1	0	0	0
8	Williams, Garrett	7	25	11	36.0	1.5-4	1.0-2	2	3	0

2022 Football Cumulative Statistics - Syracuse University Athletics

The official 2022 Football cumulative statistics for the Syracuse University Orange

cuse.com

 

[money3189]

Here are some objective measures that can be used to measure the contributions of different football players.

I like Duce and Ja'Had. Both good players. But they were not anywhere near as impactful as many others on the field last season. Heck, Garrett Williams made more plays in 6 and a half games than Duce did playing 12.

Looked to me as though Duce was hurt again most of last season and was not able to run well. He got picked on a lot. 1 pass breakup for a whole season is...not great. His run support was still good but he got beat too often.

Ja'Had has never put up the numbers you would like from a safety, and I think struggled learning his responsibilities but to his credit, I think he was finally getting things together the second half of the season.

Syracuse Defensive Statistics 2022​

Individual Defensive Statistics

#	PLAYER	GP	SOLO	ASST	TOT	TFL-YDS	SACKS-YDS	INT	BU	QBH	FR	FF	KICK	SAF
2	Wax, Marlowe	13	53	38	91.0	10.5-48	4.5-31	0	2	7	2	2	1	0
3	Jones, Mikel	11	41	43	84.0	7.0-40	4.0-27	0	0	5	1	1	0	0
23	Barron, Justin	13	40	25	65.0	5.0-13	1.0-7	0	1	2	1	0	0	0
5	Clark, Alijah	12	31	24	55.0	2.5-3	0-0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0
45	Darton, Kevon	13	28	26	54.0	4.0-12	0-0	0	0	3	0	0	0	0
20	Johnson, Isaiah	13	36	17	53.0	0-0	0-0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
93	Okechukwu, Caleb	13	27	21	48.0	10.0-46	7.0-40	1	0	5	0	2	0	0
15	McDonald, Derek	9	22	21	43.0	2.0-10	1.0-6	1	2	3	0	1	0	0
0	Chestnut, Duce	12	27	13	40.0	1.5-2	0-0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
12	Sparrow, Anwar	11	25	15	40.0	5.5-18	1.5-9	0	2	1	1	2	0	0
14	Simmons Jr., Jason	12	22	16	38.0	1.5-3	0-0	1	7	1	0	0	0	0
1	Carter, Ja'Had	12	20	16	36.0	0.5-1	0-0	3	3	0	1	0	0	0
8	Williams, Garrett	7	25	11	36.0	1.5-4	1.0-2	2	3	0

2022 Football Cumulative Statistics - Syracuse University Athletics

The official 2022 Football cumulative statistics for the Syracuse University Orange

cuse.com

Exactly