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Deliverance and WVU

As someone who gets aggravated by people in other parts of the country that think Syracuse gets snow every July, I can sympathize with the WVU fans taking exception to us perpetuating a stereotype that they are stupid inbreds. Really that's far worse since it's attacking the character of the people rather than environmental conditions. In the end it says more about us that we would tolerate and condone it than it says about people from West Virginia.
 
You could tell jokes about Rednecks & turn your nose at 'em, but if they ever made some money & moved up in class & income status, all their rights were in place. You couldn't say that at one time for Blacks.

That's not true, since you still think college educated residents of West Virginia are still rednecks, apparently.
 
The real irony is people from upstate NY thinking people from WV are rednecks and country bumpkins.
 
I'm from Rochester and lived there 25 years and went to college there and have been a life-long Cuse fan. I've now lived in WV for 15 years and have become a big WVU fan, as well. Unless they are playing each other, of course.

I reel against PC'ism at every turn. However, the air banjo skit is offensive. Imagine being a WVU fan who made the trip and brought the kids. It was a reminder that it doesn't matter how smart you are, where you now live, what degree you have, how professional a job you have, how much money you make or how nice a person you are. People from NY and a lot of other places will still make fun of you as a stereotypical country bumpkin who comes from a place where people are said to have sex with their sisters or cousins, to be uneducated, toothless and poor. Deliverance ruined a great song in Dueling Banjos. The trouble is, the dueling banjos skit wasn't intended to celebrate banjo music or a simpler life or any of the great things I've found out about in WV. It was specifically meant to evoke all those negative stereotypes. And the little kid that started dancing along with the banjo music got laughed at by a bunch of upstate New Yorkers that felt superior and laughed at that kid because the kid didn't realize the joke was on him. Its as classless as any demeaning joke intends to be.

Let's say SU was playing Maryland last year and the SU band did a skit referring to a coach in Maryland's colors as "Coach Fat Ass" or SU was playing Va Tech and the SU band did a skit referring to a coach in Va Tech colors as "Coach Burn Victim." No, those skits are not racist either, but they would be just as classless and offensive. The difference between racism and those other examples is that the law tells us racism is prohibited, whereas only our morality is there to tell us each example is classless and offensive.

There was a similar event during the WVU - UVA 2002 Continental Tire Bowl in Charlotte, NC. At half-time, UVA's marching band put on a skit they called the Hillbilly Dating Game or something like that. They had Bachelorette No. 1 from UVA in a classy dress who was a bio major who would be going to medical school after graduation and Bachelorette No. 2 from WVU come out in overalls and pig tails and dancing to banjo music. No jokes of sex with sisters were made, thankfully. Ultimately, the picture painted was of a UVA girl with professional aspirations who was classy versus a WVU girl who was a country bumpkin. Can't escape the stereotype. Lots of kids and adults from WVU understood that it was a cheap shot directed at them based on a stereotype. Lots of parents hoped they wouldn't have to explain that their kids would often throughout life be faced with dealing with stereotypes by people from other places who would never view them as having equal abilities or potential.

Not everyone is like that and for that I am appreciative.

My advice:

(1) Grow thicker skin
(2) Get a sense of humor

You don't have to think it's funny. But others enjoyed it. It's a silly thing to be offended about. And even if you were offended by it, no one has a right to not to be offended.

An air banjo skit involving a dude dressed up as a walking orange playing country music is offensive. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?
 
He did so because the deliverance stuff was in poor taste.

The real irony is people from upstate NY thinking people from WV are rednecks and country bumpkins.

Well done.

Deliverance music involving a walking orange at a football game = poor taste

Implying that people from upstate NY are rednecks and country bumpkins = not poor taste

Makes a helluva lot of sense.
 
If you cannot see the difference between a internet post and a sanctioned university event I don't know how to help you.
 
If you cannot see the difference between a internet post and a sanctioned university event I don't know how to help you.

Help not needed. I'm not the one crying over a dancing orange.
 
People really need to relax. Whats the big deal.People are so uptight these days.Has America turned into a bunch of puss***?
 
He did so because the deliverance stuff was in poor taste.

Only if someone wanted to view it that way. When I heard it, like I have heard dueling banjos a zillion times, I didn't equate it to the movie Deliverance. Hopefully tho it made Luck irate too then. Can't stick it up that guys arse enough.
 
Only if someone wanted to view it that way. When I heard it, like I have heard dueling banjos a zillion times, I didn't equate it to the movie Deliverance. Hopefully tho it made Luck irate too then. Can't stick it up that guys arse enough.

I think the stuff with Luck is part of the reason Gross apologized. We should be happy for that imo. Gross showed some class unlike Luck.
 
I think the stuff with Luck is part of the reason Gross apologized. We should be happy for that imo. Gross showed some class unlike Luck.

That's very true.
 
I loved it.I think we should find every teams fans weak spot and expose it.*** um.Next time we play them, we should do it every timeout.
 
It is not about toughness; it is about class.

I think context here is important. This is one of our long-time rival that we are playing for possibly one of the last times in the next few decades with a rival's trophy at stake. This rival is also going through a terrible time right now, one in which they don't have a safe home (yet) due to the reality/perception that their academic programs are not up to snuff, their state is backwards and their fans are inbred hillbillies. While their AD is an interesting character and we've had much, much rougher treatment in Morgantown, we didn't need to pour salt in their wounds.

I'd like to think we are better than this.
 
It is college...pranks happen

This is nothing compared to what the Cadets show at the ARMY, NAVY and AIR FORCE games when they play each other.

These are shown on the video boards at commerical breaks throughout the games

Youtube: Army Navy Spirit Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvo8ou46gQw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5R0gqpcX3A&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZhJnc4trK4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qSlWK0EwdQ

My favorite starring my aircraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvUeleRyMI&feature=related
 
This entire thread is much ado about nothing. WV residents are hillbillies. Northeasterners are elitist snobs. SoCal is full of brainless airheads looking for the next fad. Southern states - crackers. And on and on.

Every region/state/group of people have some sort of characteristic that lends itself to ridicule (probably too strong a word). As long as it is not inciting anyone to violence/discrimination/etc., laugh it off.
 
It is college...pranks happen

This is nothing compared to what the Cadets show at the ARMY, NAVY and AIR FORCE games when they play each other.

These are shown on the video boards at commerical breaks throughout the games

Youtube: Army Navy Spirit Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvo8ou46gQw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5R0gqpcX3A&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZhJnc4trK4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qSlWK0EwdQ

My favorite starring my aircraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvUeleRyMI&feature=related

Big difference IMO.

Nothing better than these videos-been to four of these games and it is by far the greatest game in CFB.
 
Only if someone wanted to view it that way. When I heard it, like I have heard dueling banjos a zillion times, I didn't equate it to the movie Deliverance. Hopefully tho it made Luck irate too then. Can't stick it up that guys arse enough.

I suspect there weren't more than five adult fans that didn't immediately think of Deliverance when they started to play dueling banjos.

I agree that Luck is a clown...but I'd rather not denigrate the entire state of West Virginia in an effort to get under his skin. That's a hell of a lot of collateral damage, and I'd expect people that are clearly representing Syracuse University would have more class.
 
It is college...pranks happen

This is nothing compared to what the Cadets show at the ARMY, NAVY and AIR FORCE games when they play each other.

These are shown on the video boards at commerical breaks throughout the games

Youtube: Army Navy Spirit Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvo8ou46gQw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5R0gqpcX3A&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZhJnc4trK4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qSlWK0EwdQ

My favorite starring my aircraft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvUeleRyMI&feature=related
why is the baby that talks in the 2nd from last video british?
 
It is college...pranks happen

This is nothing compared to what the Cadets show at the ARMY, NAVY and AIR FORCE games when they play each other.

There's an issue of in-group/out-group bias that makes this different. My perception is that everyone in the academies at some level identifies with each other (in-group), which means the videos you showed are clearly in a different context. I don't think of WVU as having anything in common with us, and what little there might have been no long exists with us moving to the ACC.

In-group/out-group bias - it's why you can call your sister names, but when some other dude at school says the exact same thing you either kick his ass or want to. And why we should have had more class than to play to stereotype with the dueling banjos skit.
 
Does this mean we can't plat the Rocky theme because it might upset the Russians?After all its quite clear all Russians are dopers.
 
I think it was racist that Chandler Jones kept knocking down Geno Smith every time he threw a pass. It was, you know, disrespectful to people who go to college in West Virginia.
 
i think otto the orange is racist towards all red and delicious apples.he/she must be shelved.
 

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