Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[cuse10]

It’s nice but I couldn’t believe for $64 million that that’s all you get.

How did it cost $64 million? Who pocketed that money? It is not a $64 million facility.

 

[kirbivore]

It was a great show. I went with my son because we were in town for a lacrosse tournament that weekend. Bought lawn tix last minute. The 2 hours of the show itself were fantastic, everything else about it was awful.

I can't believe people say SPAC is a great venue. Even for its kind, it stinks. I've been to many shows at a similar place in Mass (used to be Great Woods, not sure what corporate name is on it now) and everything about it is much better, from traffic to food to facilities.

When I lived there in the aughts it was the Tweeter Center. Now it's the Xfinity centers

 

[Orangepace]

They're building an "urban" Wegmans in Reston near the new Silver Line expansion. Supposedly it will be similar to the Wegmans in Chestnut Hill (MA)... which is fine. Nothing particularly special. Growing up with Wegmans in Syracuse, I was spoiled. But what made me a huge convert was the seafood bar at the Wegmans in Leesburg (VA). Back in the day... oysters for $1, the best blackened mahi mahi sandwich, and craft beers on draft for wicked cheap.

Not sure where they're building it in Reston yet. I do know they have one going in Tyson's Corner in the CapOne campus.

 

[shandeezy7]

It’s nice but I couldn’t believe for $64 million that that’s all you get.

I have to think that the accelerated timeline to get that thing up in a year contributed to the high price tag.

 

[OttoMets]

It’s nice but I couldn’t believe for $64 million that that’s all you get.

Yep. It's a big pole barn with a lobby.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Amphitheater fans livid when buses stop before rain-delayed show ends

 

[310Pigpen]

How did it cost $64 million? Who pocketed that money? It is not a $64 million facility.

Probably someone in Albany if I had to guess.

 

[CuseOnly]

You don't care about the public good because...revenue. Got it.

And you care about the "public good" meaning when it is something that you like and are interested in.

98% of Syracusans could care less about the trail just like 98% of the area could care less about minor league baseball in a terribly located stadium that cost several millions of dollars.

I would like hard numbers of how many people use the trail before anyone spends another dollar on it. I am guessing that more people go to one concert at the AMP than actual people that use the trail in a year.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

So, there’s an Adult World Outlet on Erie. Somehow it wasn’t referenced in this thread.

 

[shandeezy7]

Sidearm Sports, which runs 1,100 college websites from Syracuse, makes big move

 

[TexanMark]

Sidearm Sports, which runs 1,100 college websites from Syracuse, makes big move

Good story...I remember talking to Jeff on the phone over a decade ago to get my Internet game broadcast to work...he spent at least 20 mins with me on the phone.

 

[cuse10]

Dey's Plaza developers to build more apartments, seek more tax breaks

Why are they seeking public money when the demand for apartments in the area is at unprecedented levels with the rents to match? They'll make that money back no time with the amount of units they have.

 

[TexanMark]

Dey's Plaza developers to build more apartments, seek more tax breaks

Why are they seeking public money when the demand for apartments in the area is at unprecedented levels with the rents to match? They'll make that money back no time with the amount of units they have.

They are still taking a risk. Local politicians have been giving money for projects like this for years. You can argue the merits but the redevelopment of downtown is amazing. I hope the 4 burned down buildings in Little Italy can be turned into something good. The city has a once in a generation opportunity to combine the 4 plots and develop something really good for Little Italy.

 

[maxxyz]

. I hope the 4 burned down buildings in Little Italy can be turned into something good. The city has a once in a generation opportunity to combine the 4 plots and develop something really good for Little Italy.

Totally agree. As long as the project is not awarded to COR or a Congel, It's all good.

 

[cuse10]

They are still taking a risk. Local politicians have been giving money for projects like this for years. You can argue the merits but the redevelopment of downtown is amazing. I hope the 4 burned down buildings in Little Italy can be turned into something good. The city has a once in a generation opportunity to combine the 4 plots and develop something really good for Little Italy.

When is enough enough though? The city is one of the ten poorest in the nation and has infrastructure problems up the wazoo.

 

[dooey139]

They are still taking a risk. Local politicians have been giving money for projects like this for years. You can argue the merits but the redevelopment of downtown is amazing. I hope the 4 burned down buildings in Little Italy can be turned into something good. The city has a once in a generation opportunity to combine the 4 plots and develop something really good for Little Italy.

I bet developers are swarming those property owners...

 

[maxxyz]

I bet developers are swarming those property owners...

And the property is likely more valuable empty than with a building on it. And it used to be that, if a property was condemned due to disaster, the owners were not responsible for the demo and dump of materials, the city or county was. Not sure if that is still true.

 

[reedny]

And you care about the "public good" meaning when it is something that you like and are interested in.

98% of Syracusans could care less about the trail just like 98% of the area could care less about minor league baseball in a terribly located stadium that cost several millions of dollars.

I would like hard numbers of how many people use the trail before anyone spends another dollar on it. I am guessing that more people go to one concert at the AMP than actual people that use the trail in a year.

I'm not a Syracuse resident. But I can tell you that many communities in upstate NY - including Syracuse - are competing for businesses and jobs. They can't remain static and support their tax bases or retain residents without infrastructure investment. Trails are a actually huge drivers of tourism and quality of life, and many communities tout them as amenities (NYS also). "Not-one-dime-for-anything, ever" is not a recipe for success at any level of state or local government.

 

[CuseOnly]

I'm not a Syracuse resident. But I can tell you that many communities in upstate NY - including Syracuse - are competing for businesses and jobs. They can't remain static and support their tax bases or retain residents without infrastructure investment. Trails are a actually huge drivers of tourism and quality of life assets, and many communities tout them as amenities (NYS also). "Not-one-dime-for-anything, ever" is not a recipe for success at any level of state and local government.

So u consider trails a "HUGE" driver of tourism and they make a difference in quality of life?

I would consider many other things drivers of tourism.

Can u by any chance let me know the number of actual tourists that visit central ny for the purposes of biking or running on the trail? Or the number of people that decided to live in Syracuse because we have a kick ass trail?

I thought our population was declining across all of ny state. I dont think a trail is keeping anyone here or bringing anyone new to the state. Lower taxes maybe but not a trail.

 

[reedny]

So u consider trails a "HUGE" driver of tourism and they make a difference in quality of life?

I would consider many other things drivers of tourism.

Can u by any chance let me know the number of actual tourists that visit central ny for the purposes of biking or running on the trail? Or the number of people that decided to live in Syracuse because we have a kick ass trail?

I thought our population was declining across all of ny state. I dont think a trail is keeping anyone here or bringing anyone new to the state. Lower taxes maybe but not a trail.

Read this line again: "Not-one-dime-for-anything, ever" is not a recipe for success at any level of state or local government" Now repeat this: "maybe it's a good thing even if I don't like it".

 

[FrancoPizza]

How did it cost $64 million? Who pocketed that money? It is not a $64 million facility.

$64m doesn’t go as far as you think in 2018.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Newhouser]

This smells fishy - why would she make this move at this time?

 

[sutomcat]

Wow. Interesting. Ryan McMahon wasn't shy about getting in line to replace her.

Onondaga County lawmakers back chairman; first override of Joanie Mahoney since 2009

 

[GoSU96]

Bill Fisher is wicked smart. Smart to keep him in place.