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The REDC announced their project grant recipients yesterday, and there were a few projects on the list for the Syracuse area that I'm not familiar with. Anyone have anymore info on any of these?


1.) $450,000 for 120 Wilkinson Development, LLC, which will purchase and redevelop the former General Ice Cream Corporation Factory at 112-16 Wilkinson Street in the City of Syracuse. The property will undergo a certified historic rehabilitation, including renovation of currently vacant space for new commercial use, a new parking lot, and expansion space for existing tenants Middle Ages Brewery and D&D Motor Systems

2.) $1,000,000 for FS Development Associates, LLC, which will redevelop 100,000 square feet of vacant space into new commercial mixed-use space in Franklin Square. The project will also include 60,000 square feet of new office space, and market-rate lofts. The space will be redeveloped to fit its historic past and connect the Downtown resurgence to the Inner Harbor area.

3.) $135,000 for NJ Jones Plumbing, LLC, which will develop a mixed-use property at 1525-39 South Ave. in Syracuse. The property will include three buildings, two of which will include first floor commercial space and second floor low-income two-bedroom apartments. NJ Jones Plumbing, LLC will occupy one of the commercial spaces, expanding their footprint. The third building will be 1,000 square feet and act as a storage facility for equipment, materials, and business vehicles.

4.) $1,000,000 for Salina 1st, LLC, which proposes to acquire, develop and operate a mixed-use project with manufacturing, retail, office and residential space to net zero energy performance. The project site provides urban infill development on a mitigated brownfield in downtown Syracuse and is located within an opportunity zone on a major commercial thoroughfare.

5.) $556,998 for St. Paul’s Church in downtown Syracuse, which will rehabilitate its historic 1909 Lockwood Parish House for mixed-income housing. Supported by historic preservation tax credits, work includes restoration of roofs, masonry, and windows, as well as adding accessibility to the facility.

6.) $1,000,000 for Syracuse Bread Factory, LLC, which will purchase and renovate 200 Maple Street in Syracuse. The project will create a destination experience for regional visitors to enjoy a symbiotic mix of food, beverage, and retail, while also melding with the surrounding neighborhood via its housing, office space, art studios, and an expansive green roofscape.
 
shandeezy7 said:
The REDC announced their project grant recipients yesterday, and there were a few projects on the list for the Syracuse area that I'm not familiar with. Anyone have anymore info on any of these?


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Dear Gov. Cuomo -

For Christmas, I would like you to leave $1 million under the tree for me. I promise to use the money to create a destination experience for regional visitors to enjoy a symbiotic mix of food, beverage, and retail, while also melding with the surrounding neighborhood via its housing, office space, art studios, and an expansive green roofscape. I promise to be a good boy and make the experience really, really symbiotic!

Bobby
 
shandeezy7 said:
The REDC announced their project grant recipients yesterday, and there were a few projects on the list for the Syracuse area that I'm not familiar with. Anyone have anymore info on any of these?


1.) $450,000 for 120 Wilkinson Development, LLC, which will purchase and redevelop the former General Ice Cream Corporation Factory at 112-16 Wilkinson Street in the City of Syracuse. The property will undergo a certified historic rehabilitation, including renovation of currently vacant space for new commercial use, a new parking lot, and expansion space for existing tenants Middle Ages Brewery and D&D Motor Systems

2.) $1,000,000 for FS Development Associates, LLC, which will redevelop 100,000 square feet of vacant space into new commercial mixed-use space in Franklin Square. The project will also include 60,000 square feet of new office space, and market-rate lofts. The space will be redeveloped to fit its historic past and connect the Downtown resurgence to the Inner Harbor area.

3.) $135,000 for NJ Jones Plumbing, LLC, which will develop a mixed-use property at 1525-39 South Ave. in Syracuse. The property will include three buildings, two of which will include first floor commercial space and second floor low-income two-bedroom apartments. NJ Jones Plumbing, LLC will occupy one of the commercial spaces, expanding their footprint. The third building will be 1,000 square feet and act as a storage facility for equipment, materials, and business vehicles.

4.) $1,000,000 for Salina 1st, LLC, which proposes to acquire, develop and operate a mixed-use project with manufacturing, retail, office and residential space to net zero energy performance. The project site provides urban infill development on a mitigated brownfield in downtown Syracuse and is located within an opportunity zone on a major commercial thoroughfare.

5.) $556,998 for St. Paul’s Church in downtown Syracuse, which will rehabilitate its historic 1909 Lockwood Parish House for mixed-income housing. Supported by historic preservation tax credits, work includes restoration of roofs, masonry, and windows, as well as adding accessibility to the facility.

6.) $1,000,000 for Syracuse Bread Factory, LLC, which will purchase and renovate 200 Maple Street in Syracuse. The project will create a destination experience for regional visitors to enjoy a symbiotic mix of food, beverage, and retail, while also melding with the surrounding neighborhood via its housing, office space, art studios, and an expansive green roofscape.
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I do. #2 is an existing employer consolidating space from elsewhere in the city (think you and I might've discussed this off-line earlier in the year).
#5 is fairly minor but really exciting: St. Paul's thinks that it can better carry out its mission by playing the real estate game a bit and that creating affordable housing downtown (within quick non-driving distance of thousands of jobs and in a neighborhood with mainly expensive housing) is a way to do that. So they're creating some very cool living spaces in vacant portions of their Montgomery Street campus.

200 Maple is a deteriorated but visible old building. Investment continues to push east and this has the potential to be an anchor for the neighborhood. These are first-time developers who have a wealth of experience. I'm very excited for them and the project.

Salina 1st...we'll see. There's the potential for some synergy between this and Syracuse Surge. Everything I've heard about the project, which has been in the works for years, is a little sketchy. But the design is strong and any decent development (especially one that would create housing and manufacturing) in the dead zone just south of downtown will be great for the city and area. We need to activate neighborhoods around the core; this crater around the center city is holding downtown back.

There's also yet another proposal to develop the ground floor of the parking garage in the 300 block of South Warren Street. The YMCA was very close to moving their forward-facing operations there (new building on the corner of South Warren and East Fayette, big gym with storefront windows on the first level of the garage) a few years back but were concerned about managing a project of that scale, IIRC. This will be a child-care facility. Hugely needed in the neighborhood, the Federal Building has a crazy waitlist and I don't know of any other big operations.
 
OttoMets said:
I do. #2 is an existing employer consolidating space from elsewhere in the city (think you and I might've discussed this off-line earlier in the year).
#5 is fairly minor but really exciting: St. Paul's thinks that it can better carry out its mission by playing the real estate game a bit and that creating affordable housing downtown (within quick non-driving distance of thousands of jobs and in a neighborhood with mainly expensive housing) is a way to do that. So they're creating some very cool living spaces in vacant portions of their Montgomery Street campus.

200 Maple is a deteriorated but visible old building. Investment continues to push east and this has the potential to be an anchor for the neighborhood. These are first-time developers who have a wealth of experience. I'm very excited for them and the project.

Salina 1st...we'll see. There's the potential for some synergy between this and Syracuse Surge. Everything I've heard about the project, which has been in the works for years, is a little sketchy. But the design is strong and any decent development (especially one that would create housing and manufacturing) in the dead zone just south of downtown will be great for the city and area. We need to activate neighborhoods around the core; this crater around the center city is holding downtown back.

There's also yet another proposal to develop the ground floor of the parking garage in the 300 block of South Warren Street. The YMCA was very close to moving their forward-facing operations there (new building on the corner of South Warren and East Fayette, big gym with storefront windows on the first level of the garage) a few years back but were concerned about managing a project of that scale, IIRC. This will be a child-care facility. Hugely needed in the neighborhood, the Federal Building has a crazy waitlist and I don't know of any other big operations.
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I knew you'd have some good info. Interesting on #2. I actually forgot there were any vacant buildings left in Franklin Square. Think this might be the last one? FS Development Associates lists a downtown Binghamton address as their address. It's the same address as William H. Lane, Inc., a construction management/real estate development firm: http://www.whlane.com/home.html

The St. Paul's project definitely sounds interesting. Any idea how many units they are proposing? 200 Maple is definitely a very exciting project. I've seen that building for years (it's visible from 690) and always thought it had major potential. Probably it's biggest hindrance for redevelopment is the fact that it's been not the greatest neighborhood for many years.

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shandeezy7 said:
I knew you'd have some good info. Interesting on #2. I actually forgot there were any vacant buildings left in Franklin Square. Think this might be the last one? FS Development Associates lists a downtown Binghamton address as their address. It's the same address as William H. Lane, Inc., a construction management/real estate development firm: http://www.whlane.com/home.html

The St. Paul's project definitely sounds interesting. Any idea how many units they are proposing? 200 Maple is definitely a very exciting project. I've seen that building for years (it's visible from 690) and always thought it had major potential. Probably it's biggest hindrance for redevelopment is the fact that it's been not the greatest neighborhood for many years.

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I forget for St. Paul's, I've got deets on a thumb drive that appears to have been left home this morning. I did a little work for them.

I hope the upcoming recession doesn't tighten things up too much on the near east side, because it's really come a long way in 15 years. For ages the area around 200 Maple was a no-go zone. Glad the building survived. (Two more winters and it wouldn't have.)
 
OttoMets said:
I forget for St. Paul's, I've got deets on a thumb drive that appears to have been left home this morning. I did a little work for them.

I hope the upcoming recession doesn't tighten things up too much on the near east side, because it's really come a long way in 15 years. For ages the area around 200 Maple was a no-go zone. Glad the building survived. (Two more winters and it wouldn't have.)
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It would be interesting to see some more details about the plans for the building. A rendering or something, at least.
 
I was chatting to someone the other night, maybe someone on here, but I asked what the inventory was like for buildings downtown that are available to redevelop and he said that there's not much left. The pickings are getting slim.
 
Fly Rodder said:
I was chatting to someone the other night, maybe someone on here, but I asked what the inventory was like for buildings downtown that are available to redevelop and he said that there's not much left. The pickings are getting slim.
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Yeah there isn't too much left. A couple of prominent ones that I can think of off the top of my head are Mizpah Towers building, the Carnegie Library and 210 E Fayette St (kitty-corner from the Syracuse.com building).

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There's been some recent activity at Mizpah, although I'm not sure what exactly is going on there:



As for the Carnegie Library, the city and county have a proposal out there to house a joint economic development team there. The county owns the building.

www.syracuse.com

Together again? Carnegie building could host Onondaga County, Syracuse departments

County officials are looking to do a $4 million renovation.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com
 
Mizpah's not a good situation. Tom Cerio, a local attorney, owns it and there's been unauthorized interior demolition going on sporadically for the last couple years.

210 East Fayette is owned by an interesting character who's got a law practice on the top floor. He's done kind of a shoestring renovation of the storefronts but I'm told he's holding out for some public money to carry out some kind of unspecified interior work. I don't expect much progress.

There's still a pretty decent vacancy rate in a lot of large Class B office buildings, though the residential conversions have reversed a very soft market in Class C space. The former Onondaga Savings Bank building is mostly empty, I think the Gridley Building across the street is the same way, and the Chimes Building's renovation seems to have stalled. Obviously Sibley's/City Center is in limbo, with several hundred thousand square feet. And there are a number of vacant upper stories in the 400 block of South Warren, 200 block of East Jefferson, and 200 block of Harrison. Bit by bit, though, gaps have filled in. It is interesting to see commercial land demand shift as the low-hanging fruit of vacant improved space gets renovated.

It will also be interesting to see how much of the Inner Harbor's momentum serves to poach large employers from downtown. Land is still cheap up there, and the city is permitted more or less unchecked development despite fairly restrictive zoning laws. (Translation: developers are providing free parking for tenants up there, which downtown can't accommodate or compete with.) I've heard rumblings about more departures as leases expire.
 
OttoMets said:
Mizpah's not a good situation. Tom Cerio, a local attorney, owns it and there's been unauthorized interior demolition going on sporadically for the last couple years.

210 East Fayette is owned by an interesting character who's got a law practice on the top floor. He's done kind of a shoestring renovation of the storefronts but I'm told he's holding out for some public money to carry out some kind of unspecified interior work. I don't expect much progress.

There's still a pretty decent vacancy rate in a lot of large Class B office buildings, though the residential conversions have reversed a very soft market in Class C space. The former Onondaga Savings Bank building is mostly empty, I think the Gridley Building across the street is the same way, and the Chimes Building's renovation seems to have stalled. Obviously Sibley's/City Center is in limbo, with several hundred thousand square feet. And there are a number of vacant upper stories in the 400 block of South Warren, 200 block of East Jefferson, and 200 block of Harrison. Bit by bit, though, gaps have filled in. It is interesting to see commercial land demand shift as the low-hanging fruit of vacant improved space gets renovated.

It will also be interesting to see how much of the Inner Harbor's momentum serves to poach large employers from downtown. Land is still cheap up there, and the city is permitted more or less unchecked development despite fairly restrictive zoning laws. (Translation: developers are providing free parking for tenants up there, which downtown can't accommodate or compete with.) I've heard rumblings about more departures as leases expire.
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So the Inner Harbor area is basically going to become a suburban office park? Better than a vacant wasteland, I suppose, but still not ideal, especially if it will just be poaching office workers from downtown.
 
shandeezy7 said:
The REDC announced their project grant recipients yesterday, and there were a few projects on the list for the Syracuse area that I'm not familiar with. Anyone have anymore info on any of these?


1.) $450,000 for 120 Wilkinson Development, LLC, which will purchase and redevelop the former General Ice Cream Corporation Factory at 112-16 Wilkinson Street in the City of Syracuse. The property will undergo a certified historic rehabilitation, including renovation of currently vacant space for new commercial use, a new parking lot, and expansion space for existing tenants Middle Ages Brewery and D&D Motor Systems
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Whatever villain that is turning something called the General Ice Cream Corporation into a parking lot I hope has a very not-merry Christmas!!!!
 
Ghost said:
Whatever villain that is turning something called the General Ice Cream Corporation into a parking lot I hope has a very not-merry Christmas!!!!
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It's poorly worded, as I don't believe the building is being demolished and replaced with a parking lot. The building is being renovated while the already-existing parking lot - which I assume is in rough shape - will be replaced.

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shandeezy7 said:
It's poorly worded, as I don't believe the building is being demolished and replaced with a parking lot. The building is being renovated while the already-existing parking lot - which I assume is in rough shape - will be replaced.

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I was just joking - since ice cream is delicious it seemed like a cruel plan.

It all made sense though!
 
shandeezy7 said:
It's poorly worded, as I don't believe the building is being demolished and replaced with a parking lot. The building is being renovated while the already-existing parking lot - which I assume is in rough shape - will be replaced.

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I used to work in that building when it was Sealtest Ice Cream...way back when I was just out of high school. They paid well, better than entry level GE.
 
KellySyracuse said:
damn, this is big news dropping tonight

spectrumlocalnews.com

OCIDA Signs Off On Clay Distribution Center

The project will cost $280 million.
spectrumlocalnews.com spectrumlocalnews.com

"What's a golf course today could be a distribution center tomorrow.

Industrial development leaders decided Thursday to move ahead with the $280 million project which is expected to create a thousand jobs. It wasn't all about money most of the conversation focused on the project's environmental impact.

"You go over every little thing, I mean to the extent of like natural habitats for bats, even though there's no bats on the golf course," said Ocida Chairmen Pat Hogan.

Bats, water, sewage and noise are just a few of the factors reviewed. But the biggest concern has been the traffic.

The Principal of Trammell Crow developments George Laigaie says they've done their best to remedy complaints concerning traffic."
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With apologies to SWC--The Downside

www.nytimes.com

Prime Anchor: An Amazon Warehouse Town Dreams of a Better Life (Published 2019)

In Campbellsville, Ky., the tech giant’s influences abound. The profits, not so much.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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bevosu said:
I liked this NY Times reader's comment ...insisting the economy's better because stocks transiently go up while worker rights and benefits get maimed is covfefean.
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When the market went up under Obama they claimed that was no big deal
 

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