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skurey said:
Anyone know what's going to be built on the corner of 31 and 57 across from the new car dealership? If it's another car dealership I'm going to protest.
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Chevrolet dealership. I believe the dealership from Phoenix, NY is moving to this location.
 
FasterCuse said:
Chevrolet dealership. I believe the dealership from Phoenix, NY is moving to this location.
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It's Fox Automotive. They have a huge facility out in Auburn.
 
FrancoPizza said:
Unless you're going to the amphitheater and the fair on the same day, the aerial skyride over the midway seems like the most interesting and accessible amenity of all those listed. It's a long haul to walk the entire length of the fair and this ride would serve as both an attraction and a way to move people's butts more efficiently. I'd be curious what the weight limit is per chair - the North Carolina state fair installed a skyride last year with a weight limit of just 340 lbs. That would eliminate half of the clientele up here.
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And down there too.
 
OttoMets said:
Yeah, that was my off-the-cuff reaction.

It's a shame a golf course can't make a go of it there. Such a great location.

It's also a shame our county and the surrounding towns are run by provincial hicks who can't master the concept of planning, because there's a lot of development in that immediate area but no synergy and too little infrastructure to support it.
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No one has mastered it. Pardon me if I don't just accept the latest thing city planners dream up
 
shandeezy7 said:
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This is great to see and everything, but until they either move the homeless shelters it's not a great area to live. I have lived at 401 S. Salina St (the old Dey Brothers building) for a couple years now, but we are moving out in December. My truck has been broken into twice in the past 6 months and my girlfriends car was stolen from Jefferson St (right before Bank Alley) last week. Enough is enough. Bank Alley looks like a scene from the Walking Dead Monday - Friday. A month ago when I was walking my dog I came across a young girl probably about 20 totally passed out with her pants off in one of the door entrances on Bank Alley. I tried to help her by waking her up since all sorts of shady people walk down that alley and I didn't want anything worse to happen to her. Come to find out she was a hooker and had just shot up (i saw the needles in her purse while i tried helping her search for her phone) and that's why she was basically unconscious. I can't walk out of my place without constantly being harassed for money. It's great to see all this development, but instead of spending on people to come by and give parking tickets, they should focus more law enforcement in that area (tons of drugs being sold) and especially at night when there is constant vandalism and theft going on. There are definitely perks of downtown living. The festivals are fantastic. Last week we walked down to the Italian Fest down the street and then you have all the ones down in Clinton Sq. It's always nice being able to walk out your door and be withing a 5 minute walk of countless dinner options. Weekend brunch has been the trendy thing to do. Almost every place has at least a 30 minute wait when you try to go to brunch on the weekend. Overall it was a great experience and i'm happy I have been able to do it, but i'm about ready to have my own garage, and backyard for my dog to play in. If it wasn't for the crime we would have probably stayed though.
 
anomander said:
This is great to see and everything, but until they either move the homeless shelters it's not a great area to live. I have lived at 401 S. Salina St (the old Dey Brothers building) for a couple years now, but we are moving out in December. My truck has been broken into twice in the past 6 months and my girlfriends car was stolen from Jefferson St (right before Bank Alley) last week. Enough is enough. Bank Alley looks like a scene from the Walking Dead Monday - Friday. A month ago when I was walking my dog I came across a young girl probably about 20 totally passed out with her pants off in one of the door entrances on Bank Alley. I tried to help her by waking her up since all sorts of shady people walk down that alley and I didn't want anything worse to happen to her. Come to find out she was a hooker and had just shot up (i saw the needles in her purse while i tried helping her search for her phone) and that's why she was basically unconscious. I can't walk out of my place without constantly being harassed for money. It's great to see all this development, but instead of spending on people to come by and give parking tickets, they should focus more law enforcement in that area (tons of drugs being sold) and especially at night when there is constant vandalism and theft going on. There are definitely perks of downtown living. The festivals are fantastic. Last week we walked down to the Italian Fest down the street and then you have all the ones down in Clinton Sq. It's always nice being able to walk out your door and be withing a 5 minute walk of countless dinner options. Weekend brunch has been the trendy thing to do. Almost every place has at least a 30 minute wait when you try to go to brunch on the weekend. Overall it was a great experience and i'm happy I have been able to do it, but i'm about ready to have my own garage, and backyard for my dog to play in. If it wasn't for the crime we would have probably stayed though.
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Definitely hear you on that. I know the city police department is underfunded and understaffed. The drug addicts and homeless roaming the streets are definitely more unique to downtown than other areas, but car break-ins and thefts happen everywhere. My parents live right on the Dewitt border and there seems to be a rash of car break-ins and thefts in the area almost every summer. I know people in Fayetteville who experience the same thing on a semi-regular basis.

But yeah, police presence definitely needs to be stepped up in a number of areas in the city. It seems like the only place you see them are in areas with high concentrations of violent crime. Completely different from my neighborhood in Buffalo. It's a very nice neighborhood about a mile from downtown, yet there are constantly cops driving up and down my street and others in the neighborhood. I recently had to call the cops because of a domestic dispute happening in the street outside my place, and they showed up almost before I hung the phone up. Completely different than Syracuse.
 
shandeezy7 said:
Definitely hear you on that. I know the city police department is underfunded and understaffed. The drug addicts and homeless roaming the streets are definitely more unique to downtown than other areas, but car break-ins and thefts happen everywhere. My parents live right on the Dewitt border and there seems to be a rash of car break-ins and thefts in the area almost every summer. I know people in Fayetteville who experience the same thing on a semi-regular basis.

But yeah, police presence definitely needs to be stepped up in a number of areas in the city. It seems like the only place you see them are in areas with high concentrations of violent crime. Completely different from my neighborhood in Buffalo. It's a very nice neighborhood about a mile from downtown, yet there are constantly cops driving up and down my street and others in the neighborhood. I recently had to call the cops because of a domestic dispute happening in the street outside my place, and they showed up almost before I hung the phone up. Completely different than Syracuse.
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Ya the only police I see where I live are parking police. As far as the break-ins, I don't know I went 20 years without ever hearing of anyone in my family's car being broken into, then I move downtown and it happens twice in 6 months as well as someone hot wiring my girlfriends car. Even if it's a common thing, 3 times in 6 months is pretty excessive. The crazy thing is the city police dept is right up the street. All they have to do is take a 30 second drive up and down the street. The drug problem down here is totally out of hand. These people don't even try to hide it. They just do it right out in the open. I witness it all the time. It's real bad down where I am because the Rescue Mission is across the street from the hotel Syracuse.
 
anomander said:
Ya the only police I see where I live are parking police. As far as the break-ins, I don't know I went 20 years without ever hearing of anyone in my family's car being broken into, then I move downtown and it happens twice in 6 months as well as someone hot wiring my girlfriends car. Even if it's a common thing, 3 times in 6 months is pretty excessive. The crazy thing is the city police dept is right up the street. All they have to do is take a 30 second drive up and down the street. The drug problem down here is totally out of hand. These people don't even try to hide it. They just do it right out in the open. I witness it all the time. It's real bad down where I am because the Rescue Mission is across the street from the hotel Syracuse.
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It's too bad you've had such bad luck with that. I live over near Clinton Square and have never had an issue with car theft or the like and I ordinarily park on the street every night. Only issue I have had is when I left my car doors open like an idiot and someone took all my change and cash i had in the car and left it a mess from digging through everything.

Downtown is coming along, but definitely still major issues.
 
dooey139 said:
It's too bad you've had such bad luck with that. I live over near Clinton Square and have never had an issue with car theft or the like and I ordinarily park on the street every night. Only issue I have had is when I left my car doors open like an idiot and someone took all my change and cash i had in the car and left it a mess from digging through everything.

Downtown is coming along, but definitely still major issues.
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Yep. The downtown committee just got a decent-sized grant for more foot patrols at night on weekends and after close of business during the week (a lot of stores close at 6:00 p.m. because that's when patrols wind down). That's a nice start, but the city needs to step up and treat downtown's renaissance more like an asset to be protected and less like some kind of inevitability. If they don't, all the economic development in the world won't help and there are going to be a lot more anomanders packing up and heading out.
 
OttoMets said:
Yep. The downtown committee just got a decent-sized grant for more foot patrols at night on weekends and after close of business during the week (a lot of stores close at 6:00 p.m. because that's when patrols wind down). That's a nice start, but the city needs to step up and treat downtown's renaissance more like an asset to be protected and less like some kind of inevitability. If they don't, all the economic development in the world won't help and there are going to be a lot more anomanders packing up and heading out.
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Until you can walk downtown more than 1 block without being hit up for money, the downtown is going to struggle. People don't want to deal with it on a daily basis.
 
Newhouser said:
Until you can walk downtown more than 1 block without being hit up for money, the downtown is going to struggle. People don't want to deal with it on a daily basis.
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Maybe, but that problem isn't exclusive to Syracuse. All cities have street people. What they've got to do is take a huge chunk out of the property and violent crime (nearly all of which is unreported in the local press). It's a tiny but densely-populated neighborhood; the city needs to recognize its importance and make sure there's a visible police presence on the sidewalks for at least 18 hours a day. Make the riff-raff uncomfortable, stop trying to make cases or whatever they're pretending to do and crack down on the transactions.

The current administration (again, the pendulum has swung and this isn't exclusive to Syracuse) doesn't believe in Broken Windows. I think it's worth reinvestigating. Loitering, riding tiny bikes on the sidewalks, loud verbal exchanges, hand-to-hand stuff - even if arrests aren't being made, cops need to be present and they need to engage with everyone participating in undesirable behavior.
 
dooey139 said:
It's too bad you've had such bad luck with that. I live over near Clinton Square and have never had an issue with car theft or the like and I ordinarily park on the street every night. Only issue I have had is when I left my car doors open like an idiot and someone took all my change and cash i had in the car and left it a mess from digging through everything.

Downtown is coming along, but definitely still major issues.
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Funny thing is that is all they got out of my truck both times. Got me for a couple bucks in lose change. It's not like I kept anything of value in it, knowing my surroundings. The first time they must have jimmied the door, the 2nd time they smashed in my passenger seat window with a rock. I was pi$$ed that they did that just for some coins. And you know the only reason they are doing that is for money to buy drugs. It's a vicious circle that basically all leads to the opioid epidemic.

I will say that it is much nicer, as far as the people, down by you. Clinton Square and Hanover Square doesn't have the constant migration of the homeless hanging around day and night asking for money.

It is good to see that they received a grant for more foot patrol. It is needed, and it works when it's there. There is this empty parking lot, down the street from the Rescue Mission, under the bridge intersecting Salina and Adams where there is typically a group of 10-20 people hanging out, selling drugs. When there is no police presence there is a constant flow of people coming and going to get their drug of choice, but every now and again you will see a patrol car parked in the lot. Guess what!!??!!! The group of people that typically hang there are gone. I mean if you aren't doing anything illegal there is no reason for everyone to disperse. My point is, that at least if there is a presence, it could help discourage the selling of drugs in the open. They have a beautifully renovated hotel Syracuse, but something is going to happen to an out of towner, that unknowingly parks in that lot, and something bad is going to happen. On Salina St, from my place (old Dey's building, above Cafe Kubal) down to the Marriott (Hotel Syracuse), other than the Galleries (which is really really nice), there are old, decrepit, run down buildings. I wonder if they are having a tough time finding investors because of the trash constantly lingering around? It's a huge eye sore. It would be nice to see them eventually renovated, and then the shelters (that are directly behind those buildings) moved to somewhere else. It would be a huge step in cleaning up last spot of downtown that is truly bad.

I also don't want people to take me pointing this issue out as complaining. I love this city, and it's come so far in the past 20 years. Further than I ever would have imagined and it will only be getting better. I've gone on the downtown living tour the past 2 years and there are even more beautifully renovated homes being completed even now. I love going out after work and seeing the restaurants, bars, stores, and streets full of people. There are a lot of advantages of downtown living. I have truly enjoyed the experience and i'm happy I was able to do it. However, if I could do it again, I would have picked a different part of downtown (maybe Hanover Sq)
 
anomander said:
Funny thing is that is all they got out of my truck both times. Got me for a couple bucks in lose change. It's not like I kept anything of value in it, knowing my surroundings. The first time they must have jimmied the door, the 2nd time they smashed in my passenger seat window with a rock. I was pi$$ed that they did that just for some coins. And you know the only reason they are doing that is for money to buy drugs. It's a vicious circle that basically all leads to the opioid epidemic.

I will say that it is much nicer, as far as the people, down by you. Clinton Square and Hanover Square doesn't have the constant migration of the homeless hanging around day and night asking for money.

It is good to see that they received a grant for more foot patrol. It is needed, and it works when it's there. There is this empty parking lot, down the street from the Rescue Mission, under the bridge intersecting Salina and Adams where there is typically a group of 10-20 people hanging out, selling drugs. When there is no police presence there is a constant flow of people coming and going to get their drug of choice, but every now and again you will see a patrol car parked in the lot. Guess what!!??!!! The group of people that typically hang there are gone. I mean if you aren't doing anything illegal there is no reason for everyone to disperse. My point is, that at least if there is a presence, it could help discourage the selling of drugs in the open. They have a beautifully renovated hotel Syracuse, but something is going to happen to an out of towner, that unknowingly parks in that lot, and something bad is going to happen. On Salina St, from my place (old Dey's building, above Cafe Kubal) down to the Marriott (Hotel Syracuse), other than the Galleries (which is really really nice), there are old, decrepit, run down buildings. I wonder if they are having a tough time finding investors because of the trash constantly lingering around? It's a huge eye sore. It would be nice to see them eventually renovated, and then the shelters (that are directly behind those buildings) moved to somewhere else. It would be a huge step in cleaning up last spot of downtown that is truly bad.

I also don't want people to take me pointing this issue out as complaining. I love this city, and it's come so far in the past 20 years. Further than I ever would have imagined and it will only be getting better. I've gone on the downtown living tour the past 2 years and there are even more beautifully renovated homes being completed even now. I love going out after work and seeing the restaurants, bars, stores, and streets full of people. There are a lot of advantages of downtown living. I have truly enjoyed the experience and i'm happy I was able to do it. However, if I could do it again, I would have picked a different part of downtown (maybe Hanover Sq)
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Your concerns are certainly valid. However, while there are certainly some run down buildings between the Dey's Building and the Hotel Syracuse, there are redevelopment plans for most of them, including a couple of them currently undergoing renovations. I think that stretch of downtown will be very vibrant in the coming years. Of course, as you and others have said, it won't be sustainable if the city doesn't take care of the ongoing issues in that area.
 
shandeezy7 said:
Your concerns are certainly valid. However, while there are certainly some run down buildings between the Dey's Building and the Hotel Syracuse, there are redevelopment plans for most of them, including a couple of them currently undergoing renovations. I think that stretch of downtown will be very vibrant in the coming years. Of course, as you and others have said, it won't be sustainable if the city doesn't take care of the ongoing issues in that area.
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Good to hear about those being renovated. That will be huge. They have had the fronts of the buildings across the street blocked off now for some time. I assume they are gutting them. Do you recall who is doing the renovations, or what the plans are for them? Would be very interested in reading what has been discussed thus far. Thanks for the update !
 
OttoMets said:
Maybe, but that problem isn't exclusive to Syracuse. All cities have street people. What they've got to do is take a huge chunk out of the property and violent crime (nearly all of which is unreported in the local press). It's a tiny but densely-populated neighborhood; the city needs to recognize its importance and make sure there's a visible police presence on the sidewalks for at least 18 hours a day. Make the riff-raff uncomfortable, stop trying to make cases or whatever they're pretending to do and crack down on the transactions.

The current administration (again, the pendulum has swung and this isn't exclusive to Syracuse) doesn't believe in Broken Windows. I think it's worth reinvestigating. Loitering, riding tiny bikes on the sidewalks, loud verbal exchanges, hand-to-hand stuff - even if arrests aren't being made, cops need to be present and they need to engage with everyone participating in undesirable behavior.
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They definitely need more police officers on foot and bikes downtown. Something has to be done about the street people down there as well. There seem to be a lot more of them and they are a lot more aggressive than in most cities. It's one thing to panhandle while sitting on a street corner, but it's totally different to walk up to people and accost them for money. I spend a lot of time downtown and love that it is being revitalized, but that makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable if not unsafe.
 
anomander said:
Good to hear about those being renovated. That will be huge. They have had the fronts of the buildings across the street blocked off now for some time. I assume they are gutting them. Do you recall who is doing the renovations, or what the plans are for them? Would be very interested in reading what has been discussed thus far. Thanks for the update !
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Syracuse developers to renovate long-vacant downtown Goldberg building

Peek inside long-vacant Addis department store in Syracuse as redevelopment starts (photos)
 
DownTheField said:
They definitely need more police officers on foot and bikes downtown. Something has to be done about the street people down there as well. There seem to be a lot more of them and they are a lot more aggressive than in most cities. It's one thing to panhandle while sitting on a street corner, but it's totally different to walk up to people and accost them for money. I spend a lot of time downtown and love that it is being revitalized, but that makes a lot of people feel uncomfortable if not unsafe.
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I will say that in my neighborhood in Buffalo (Elmwood Village), a relatively affluent area with lots of young professionals, the main street is filled with shops and bars and restaurants, many of which have outdoor seating. Without fail, every time I am sitting outside at one of these places, I will have at least 2 or 3 homeless people come up to me asking for money. I even witnessed last week a guy come sit across the table from a med student and pester him for 5 minutes to give him money. Yes, it's incredibly annoying and certainly off-putting, but it hasn't hurt the vibrancy and development of this neighborhood.
 
anomander said:
Good to hear about those being renovated. That will be huge. They have had the fronts of the buildings across the street blocked off now for some time. I assume they are gutting them. Do you recall who is doing the renovations, or what the plans are for them? Would be very interested in reading what has been discussed thus far. Thanks for the update !
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Also, this project is what I'm assuming you are referring to across from the Dey's building:

Redhouse construction continues as more tenants are sought for former Sibley’s building

Work begins on new Redhouse arts center in downtown Syracuse (photos)
 
FWIW... Per little birdie, I wouldn't be shocked to see Aspen revive their plans to move to City Center like they had planned to do...
 

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