Devo claims Red and GMac would switch to man

[two3zone]

I know he does a lot of camps for the younger kids locally. Stuff like that has to help? His issues were an awful long time ago.

I think he’d be worth taking a shot on, in the right situation.

Like I said, I’m all on on Devo, would take him over Gmac on the staff. I don’t know what happened with the Liverpool girls jv job, but he left that pretty quick, not sure if it has to do with his past.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Not sure if anyone else caught this, and he wouldn't specify how he knew this, but last night during the post-game Devo said he knows for a fact that if Red or GMac were to get the gig next they would switch to man as the primary D.

My inclination is to go national, and replace one marquis name with another, but if we decide to go internal, at least this would make it tolerable.

Who cares?

Are we so crappy as a program that we can't even get someone who has been a head coach before?

I mean, COME ON PEOPLE!!!

You act like a bunch of abused spouses with the comments I read on here - Boeheim STILL deserves to name his departure date, we couldn't possibly get a good coach who has any experience. Why would anyone come coach us?

What the hell is wrong with you all? WAKE UP.

We have made the Final Four for 5 decades in a row. We didn't have a losing season for 46 years. We have guys in the Hall of Fame, we have players in the NBA.

We're not in our glory right now, but we are still a Top 20 program in America.

 

[OrangeDW]

Who cares?

Are we so crappy as a program that we can't even get someone who has been a head coach before?

I mean, COME ON PEOPLE!!!

You act like a bunch of abused spouses with the comments I read on here - Boeheim STILL deserves to name his departure date, we couldn't possibly get a good coach who has any experience. Why wouldn't anyone come coach us?

What the hell is wrong with you all? WAKE UP.

We have made the Final Four for 5 decades in a row. We didn't have a losing season for 46 years. We have guys in the Hall of Fame, we have players in the NBA.

We're not in our glory right now, but we are still a Top 20 program in America.

I agree with you.

At the same time, UNC and Duke just hired guys who had never been head coaches.

Frankly, if this was 2015 or something, I’d be fine with “continuity”. Maybe even 2018.

It’s just that we’re in such a low place now that it’s hard to justify.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I agree with you.

At the same time, UNC and Duke just hired guys who had never been head coaches.

Frankly, if this was 2015 or something, I’d be fine with “continuity”. Maybe even 2018.

It’s just that we’re in such a low place now that it’s hard to justify.

Precisely. This would have made sense 6 or 7 years ago, but it's too late for that now.

And I will also point out the UNC and Duke aren't doing so spectacularly with their 2 in-house, inexperienced replacements. Despite having among the most talent in America, they are both decidedly mediocre.

 

[OrangeDW]

Precisely. This would have made sense 6 or 7 years ago, but it's too late for that now.

And I will also point out the UNC and Duke aren't doing so spectacularly with their 2 in-house, inexperienced replacements. Despite having among the most talent in America, they are both decidedly mediocre.

We’ll see what happens.

Davis went to the final 4 in year 1 - hard to question that too much

 

[SU91]

I think it was sarcasm. JB keeps saying this team can’t play man, which makes no sense to anyone

It makes sense to me. This team would get absolutely abused playing man. But, of course, that speaks volumes.

And, by the way, those talking about offense, you’re correct about that. But, interestingly how the O same has worked in the past with different players.

The common denominator in both? Lower level players. No Wes Johnson’s out there who could play in any scheme.

 

[IthacaMatt]

We’ll see what happens.

Davis went to the final 4 in year 1 - hard to question that too much

Yeah, and Kevin Ollie won a national championship his first year.
Is he a good coach?

 

[OrangeDW]

Yeah, and Kevin Ollie won a national championship his first year.
Is he a good coach?

If he won at that cowtipping craphole, probably.

 

[OrangeDW]

It makes sense to me. This team would get absolutely abused playing man. But, of course, that speaks volumes.

And, by the way, those talking about offense, you’re correct about that. But, interestingly how the O same has worked in the past with different players.

The common denominator in both? Lower level players. No Wes Johnson’s out there who could play in any scheme.

Put 90% of Power 5 D-1 coaches in charge for a month, and we’re probably adequate in man to man.

I’ve been hearing we’d be “abused” if we went man for two decades. At this point I’m hearing that as “JB doesnt know how to coach man to man.”

 

[IthacaMatt]

If he won at that cowtipping craphole, probably.

He won with Calhoun's guys. Calhoun quit right before the season started, if you'll recall.

After winning the national championship, he only made the NCAA tournament 1 other time in his 6 years at UConn.

His last 2 years they had losing records.

Nobody else has hired him in the last 4 years.

Great Coach! We should try to get him in for an interview!

 

[OrangeDW]

He won with Calhoun's guys. Calhoun quit right before the season started, if you'll recall.

After winning the national championship, he only made the NCAA tournament 1 other time in his 6 years at UConn.

His last 2 years they had losing records.

Nobody else has hired him in the last 4 years.

Great Coach! We should try to get him in for an interview!

I read that as Storrs is boring and MAUconnfan’s breath reeks of cigarettes and toffee.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I read that as Storrs is boring and MAUconnfan’s breath reeks of cigarettes and toffee.

And Fishy lies.

 

[SU91]

Put 90% of Power 5 D-1 coaches in charge for a month, and we’re probably adequate in man to man.

I’ve been hearing we’d be “abused” if we went man for two decades. At this point I’m hearing that as “JB doesnt know how to coach man to man.”

Who’s Joe Girard going to stay in front of? How about Chris Bell? You think Maliqe Brown has quick feet? Jesse? He’s a new born fawn. Judah can play D, all 175 pounds of him. Yeah, we’d get abused.

Anyway, I’m not defending the 2-3 or anything. I’m just pointing out the deficiency. I disagree that another coach would be more successful with these players nor would they successfully transition to m2m.

Again, what this really means is our players are not very good.

 

[OrangeDW]

Who’s Joe Girard going to stay in front of? How about Chris Bell? You think Maliqe Brown has quick feet? Jesse? He’s a new born fawn. Judah can play D, all 175 pounds of him. Yeah, we’d get abused.

Anyway, I’m not defending the 2-3 or anything. I’m just pointing out the deficiency. I disagree that another coach would be more successful with these players nor would they successfully transition to m2m.

Again, what this really means is our players are not very good.

Right. Every year for 20 years, Syracuse has a bunch of skinny uncoordinated dorks who can’t guard anybody while all the opponents have a team full of Michael Coopers’ and Ben Wallaces’. Sure.

Thankfully the power of the zone has won us all those games for so long!

 

[SU91]

Right. Every year for 20 years, Syracuse has a bunch of skinny uncoordinated dorks who can’t guard anybody while all the opponents have a team full of Michael Coopers’ and Ben Wallaces’. Sure.

Thankfully the power of the zone has won us all those games for so long!

Not sure what you’re saying here, but, yes, we’ve had skinny dorks who can’t play m2m for a long time now. JB has specifically recruited that mold. In the past we’ve had more highly skilled players who still weren’t built for m2m and we did win a lot of games. Another example of this would be JBs obsession with tall combo guards playing point for height in the zone at the expense of our offense, which suffered significantly.

If you’ll recall, some of our best teams in the zone era didn’t have have prototypical zone players (ie AO, Scoop). That’s because they were actually basketball players as opposed to stick figures forced into a scheme.

And, let’s not forget JB’s teams that did play m2m. He won a lot of games utilizing that scheme as well.

This is all to say it’s the players. I do believe the zone has hurt us in many ways. I do believe the game has changed and 100% zone no longer works. All I’m saying is, JB is correct, we can’t play m2m. But, whose fault is that? It’s JB’s of course, but not because he can’t coach it. It’s because he hasn’t recruited all around players.

 

[OrangeDW]

Not sure what you’re saying here, but, yes, we’ve had skinny dorks who can’t play m2m for a long time now. JB has specifically recruited that mold. In the past we’ve had more highly skilled players who still weren’t built for m2m and we did win a lot of games. Another example of this would be JBs obsession with tall combo guards playing point for height in the zone at the expense of our offense, which suffered significantly.

If you’ll recall, some of our best teams in the zone era didn’t have have prototypical zone players (ie AO, Scoop). That’s because they were actually basketball players as opposed to stick figures forced into a scheme.

And, let’s not forget JB’s teams that did play m2m. He won a lot of games utilizing that scheme as well.

This is all to say it’s the players. I do believe the zone has hurt us in many ways. I do believe the game has changed and 100% zone no longer works. All I’m saying is, JB is correct, we can’t play m2m. But, whose fault is that? It’s JB’s of course, but not because he can’t coach it. It’s because he hasn’t recruited all around players.

What defense you think Judah, Copeland, Brown, Taylor, etc mostly played in high school?

We don’t even recruit for the zone anymore….the zone sucks! That narrative is tied to Chukwu and Frank freakin Howard.

These kids would be fine in man to man if they had a good coach making them play it effectively.

Joe would suck in any defense, he can’t help that he’s 5’10.

 

[phil77]

I agree with you.

At the same time, UNC and Duke just hired guys who had never been head coaches.

Frankly, if this was 2015 or something, I’d be fine with “continuity”. Maybe even 2018.

It’s just that we’re in such a low place now that it’s hard to justify.

UNC and Duke are loaded with talent and hired internally to keep the wheel moving. Will it work? Who knows but we are not at that stage now. Are wheels are totally off and we need something more than someone who can just keep the car going. We need a entire new engine before we can put wheels on again.

Like you said in 2015 that was the time to promote from within when we still had momentum as a program and we could have hired Hop to maintain that but this isn't 2015 and it will not work this time. No matter who good of a person Red is he will not be able to rebuild the entire program. We need someone with experience building a program back up and running a program to make the changes necessary.

 

[Cuse#1]

Everybody keeps talking about what defense to play. I’m more interested in how the offense is going to change.

Okay well I disagree but fine I mean they both I mean I agree that they both are not doing well under JB so it all ends in the same anyway but I think Zone has always been a huge problem the last 5 Years.
If those were true that those two would play Man if they were hired as coach that would definitely make it easier for me to take if they were hired but still I think they can do better but I mean I don't even know if I could believe it. I mean one guy mentioned that hop was supposed to do the same thing and he played100% Zone

 

[Cuse#1]

What defense you think Judah, Copeland, Brown, Taylor, etc mostly played in high school?

We don’t even recruit for the zone anymore….the zone sucks! That narrative is tied to Chukwu and Frank freakin Howard.

These kids would be fine in man to man if they had a good coach making them play it effectively.

Joe would suck in any defense, he can’t help that he’s 5’10.

Oh most definitely and I think that's why he made the comments that he was going to meet he was going to play both man and Zone this season and two games in that was over but yes they could definitely be a good man team and a good man coach could find a way to camouflage that put Joe in in spots maybe take out in spots you know good coaches know how to game plan for stuff like that.
I don't know it's just crazy because I say good coach but obviously JB was a very good coach during his time who came up with something at the time that was very unique but has obviously run its course but like I said it's become synonymous with him Syracuse and his Zone his baby it seems and he will not let it go no matter what happens I mean they almost scored Clemson, almost scored 100 on us and they were pretty much joking talking about how easy it was to beat the zone I mean that's embarrassing

 

[Cuse#1]

Not sure that is accurate.

Okay comma Now I'm just asking but how do you know this`` you're basing this on what?
I mean I'll admit I don't know neither one has had a head coaching job so I don't know unless you have some kind of Insider or your inside yourself. I kind of look at I mean I think GMAC was the better player he is obviously one of the Syracuse greatest and to me that means something. Plus he definitely has some swag and he never backed down from anything which I think you can translate to coaching in a lot of aspects but beyond that I have no idea

 

[SmilinBob]

Would either coach Autry or Mac "try" man and do it the good ole Boeheim try and go back to what they know? I'm just asking, not saying that's what they would do but often we all go back to what we know best once something new fails,

 

[hoopsupstate]

Like I said, I’m all on on Devo, would take him over Gmac on the staff. I don’t know what happened with the Liverpool girls jv job, but he left that pretty quick, not sure if it has to do with his past.

What has Devo ever done that makes him a better coach than GMAC? Name one!

 

[dollarbill44]

I kinda agree, but I think they're hand-in-hand. I don't particularly care for either one. The best parts of the offense in the past, for me, was the fast breaks and transition scoring off of turnovers and blocks, which comes out of the zone.

Running the break is a philosophy and it can be done out of any defense, as long as you practice it. And there's the rub. It doesn't appear that SU practices fast breaks, because we're not very good at them. When you have an odd man break, it should always result in an easy layup/dunk or an open 3. It should never result in a one on two contested layup attempt.

 

[two3zone]

What has Devo ever done that makes him a better coach than GMAC? Name one!

We were talking assistant coach, not sure what your post has anything to do with. Not sure why you’re all excited about the third spot on the bench.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Running the break is a philosophy and it can be done out of any defense, as long as you practice it. And there's the rub. It doesn't appear that SU practices fast breaks, because we're not very good at them. When you have an odd man break, it should always result in an easy layup/dunk or an open 3. It should never result in a one on two contested layup attempt.

Back when I was able to get into practices, they used to run the fast break drills toward the beginning of every practice.