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[wfschrec]

Had the ball rolling? 6-5, 6-5, 7-5, 5-6. There was a sack Mac Pac.

Was he or was he not bringing in the talent necessary to go 11-0-1 in 1987 over a series of 2-3 years prior to. Lets not be stupid here, you know what a rebuild requires. Or were all the stars on that 11-0-1 team freshmen?

 

[KaiserUEO]

All assistants recruit ... nothing new ... P was on staff as an assistant for 3 years. Mac already had the ball rolling towards a perfect season in 1987 before he arrived. Remind me again how Ps post SU career went? You guys really love worshiping the past. Its actually remarkable how stuck in 1991-92 you are. Brown is exactly what this program needed someone who could sell the program internally and externally, P couldn't do it. Try moving on and enjoying this new era instead of dating the girl that finished 8th runner up to the prom queen. Losing catastrophically to a 7-5 NC State team is not my definition of a banner season but again you may have low standards.

Who cares about his post SU career? He was an old man then.

Parcells WANTED him on his staff. He got multiple jobs and just like every other NFL coach, things change and they move on. Going to storz was stupid, but it still didn’t ruin his HOF credentials.

Can’t believe we have to discuss this.

Please, just leave.

 

[wfschrec]

Who cares about his post SU career? He was an old man then.

Parcells WANTED him on his staff. He got multiple jobs and just like every other NFL coach, things change and they move on. Going to storz was stupid, but it still didn’t ruin his HOF credentials.

Can’t believe we have to discuss this.

Please, just leave.

Sorry you're stuck with me. You one of those schmucks that can't handle a different opinion? Sure seems like it.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Sorry you're stuck with me. You one of those schmucks that can't handle a different opinion? Sure seems like it.

Don’t use my argument against me, I have no clue who you are… but diminishing P to praise Mac, is a foolish soapbox to stand on.

Praise them both.

P, is a College HOFer, it’s time to get him in.

I guarantee you, Fran is for it.

 

[MSOrange]

Coach P was a huge part of the best stretch of SU football that most of us have ever seen from 1987-2000 when support from the administration was not close to what it should have been. But he wasn't perfect. Few coaches have been.

We did lose some games that we shouldn't have. The Oklahoma Sooners were not the Sooners of the Wilkinson, Switzer or Stoops era when they beat us. Minnesota was not a stalwart of the Big 10 and Walter Washington and the vaunted 2-11 Temple Owls were not impossible to beat. Like SWC always showed, everyone has an upside and downside.

 

[orangecuse]

Coach P was a huge part of the best stretch of SU football that most of us have ever seen from 1987-2000 when support from the administration was not close to what it should have been. But he wasn't perfect. Few coaches have been.

He did lose some games that we shouldn't have. The Oklahoma Sooners were not the Sooners of the Wilkinson, Switzer or Stoops era when they beat us. Minnesota was not a stalwart of the Big 10 and Walter Washington and the vaunted 2-11 Temple Owls were not impossible to beat. Like SWC always showed, everyone has an upside and downside.

Amen!

 

[wfschrec]

Don’t use my argument against me, I have no clue who you are… but diminishing P to praise Mac, is a foolish soapbox to stand on.

Praise them both.

P, is a College HOFer, it’s time to get him in.

I guarantee you, Fran is for it.

Cool P is not a Hall of Famer ... #188 in winning pct all time .. seriously go take some metamucil and leave the 90s behind. He has a lower career winning pct then guys like Frank Burns of Rutgers for crying out loud. I praised Mac but not calling him an HoF either ... I also said I appreciate what Coach P did ... but his resume isn't HoF or trophy worthy. His winning Pct is lower than some of these coaching wizards who aren't HoF worthy either.

Bret Bielema
Paul Cryst
Clay Helton
Gus Malzahn
David Shaw

I can do this all day. He had a good career but going from a D1 head coach to Dallas Cowboy TE coach isn't an upgrade its an indicator of where he was seen within the profession. Not my fault you can't wrap your mind around it.

You're right you don't know me but running your mouth telling me to leave like a little keyboard warrior just because I have a different opinion tells me how childish you are, now get off my lawn.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Cool P is not a Hall of Famer ... #188 in winning pct all time .. seriously go take some metamucil and leave the 90s behind. He has a lower career winning pct then guys like Frank Burns of Rutgers for crying out loud. I praised Mac but not calling him an HoF either ... I also said I appreciate what Coach P did ... but his resume isn't HoF or trophy worthy. His winning Pct is lower than some of these coaching wizards who aren't HoF worthy either.

Bret Bielema
Paul Cryst
Clay Helton
Gus Malzahn
David Shaw

I can do this all day. He had a good career but going from a D1 head coach to Dallas Cowboy TE coach isn't an upgrade its an indicator of where he was seen within the profession. Not my fault you can't wrap your mind around it.

You're right you don't know me but running your mouth telling me to leave like a little keyboard warrior just because I have a different opinion tells me how childish you are, now get off my lawn.

I told u to leave because I hate stupid people, especially ones telling their own army to get off their lawn.

Look up the College HOF requirements.

Put P IN!!!

 

[wfschrec]

I told u to leave because I hate stupid people, especially ones telling their own army to get off their lawn.

Look up the College HOF requirements.

Put P IN!!!

I’m far from stupid pretty funny you don’t know me … but apparently enough folks agree because he isn’t in. Maybe you’re the moron? As for a telling a member of their own army to get off the lawn you’re the a$$ hat asking me to leave, quite a hypocrite and stupid too … dangerous combo there pal.

 

[baggerbob]

Sorry you're stuck with me. You one of those schmucks that can't handle a different opinion? Sure seems like it.

It might be better if you just let it go, you have reached the point where you are the little boy crying I'm right and don't care what you say.

 

[wfschrec]

It might be better if you just let it go, you have reached the point where you are the little boy crying I'm right and don't care what you say.

If I wanted your opinion I know where to find you.

 

[OrgTruckPat]

Man, things have gotten vicious gang. We are all on the same team. I'll again assert that P was and is a great man and worthy of our appreciation for what he did for SUFB. He also absolutely needed to go at the end. Unequivocally. The manner it was done was crazy, but needed to go he did. The college fb HOF stuff is quite a long bit of a stretch. It's ok to say he did us very well, until he didnt, and things passed him by. Let's not put him on a pantheon of all time greatness, he ain't there. He was a class act and did well for a stretch, and then did the opposite. The level of emotional attachment to P still, is reminiscent of his time at the end, some just couldn't believe he should be let go despite the results. Appreciate P and thank him, but gang, the results were what they were at the end.

 

[wfschrec]

Man, things have gotten vicious gang. We are all on the same team. I'll again assert that P was and is a great man and worthy of our appreciation for what he did for SUFB. He also absolutely needed to go at the end. Unequivocally. The manner it was done was crazy, but needed to go he did. The college fb HOF stuff is quite a long bit of a stretch. It's ok to say he did us very well, until he didnt, and things passed him by. Let's not put him on a pantheon of all time greatness, he ain't there. He was a class act and did well for a stretch, and then did the opposite. The level of emotional attachment to P still, is reminiscent of his time at the end, some just couldn't believe he should be let go despite the results. Appreciate P and thank him, but gang, the results were what they were at the end.

You can't say things like this or you're labeled as stupid, because heaven forbid you aren't worshiping at the altar. You pretty much have stated exactly what I said ... appreciate what he did but I'm not carving his face into a mountain or starting a HoF campaign. The program started a very bad decline on his watch (and no it wasn't all his fault) but those last few seasons led to some bad outcomes along with some head scratching decisions.

 

[orangenauburn]

And a running back who couldn't pick up short yardage or hold on to the ball in critical situations.

Not to defend a poor game from McNabb, but he had no time that game and did not play in the fourth quarter. He was sacked four times and was scrambling all game.

Koy Detmer played the fourth and he was sacked and picked too.

The Panthers D absolutely DOMINATED that game from the jump.

 

[OrgTruckPat]

You can't say things like this or you're labeled as stupid, because heaven forbid you aren't worshiping at the altar. You pretty much have stated exactly what I said ... appreciate what he did but I'm not carving his face into a mountain or starting a HoF campaign. The program started a very bad decline on his watch (and no it wasn't all his fault) but those last few seasons led to some bad outcomes along with some head scratching decisions.

There is a band of ppl that were hard-core 'p lovers' who will still not just admit and say it was far past time for him to go. This brings back past times, why the he'll are ppl defending mediocrity

 

[Cusester]

wfschrec going from thread to thread looking for someone to argue with like a one man wrecking crew. It gets old in a hurry.

 

[wfschrec]

wfschrec going from thread to thread looking for someone to argue with like a one man wrecking crew. It gets old in a hurry.

Thread to thread you say? What 2 or 3 of the hundreds here? Maybe you’re ok with being called stupid but I’m not, but I can’t speak for your home life.

 

[sufandu]

Man, things have gotten vicious gang. We are all on the same team. I'll again assert that P was and is a great man and worthy of our appreciation for what he did for SUFB. He also absolutely needed to go at the end. Unequivocally. The manner it was done was crazy, but needed to go he did. The college fb HOF stuff is quite a long bit of a stretch. It's ok to say he did us very well, until he didnt, and things passed him by. Let's not put him on a pantheon of all time greatness, he ain't there. He was a class act and did well for a stretch, and then did the opposite. The level of emotional attachment to P still, is reminiscent of his time at the end, some just couldn't believe he should be let go despite the results. Appreciate P and thank him, but gang, the results were what they were at the end.

Pretty even keeled comment. Stop being so reasonable.

 

[OrgTruckPat]

Pretty even keeled comment. Stop being so reasonable.

Careful, its the reasonable people ya wanna watch out for

 

[KaiserUEO]

Key Requirements for Coaches:

• Head Coaching Experience: Must have been a head coach for a minimum of 10 seasons and at least 100 games, according to the National Football Foundation.
• Winning Percentage: Must have a minimum career winning percentage of .595.
• Retirement: Eligible three full seasons after retirement or immediately upon retirement if they are at least 70 years old.
• Active Coaches: Eligible upon reaching the age of 75.

P checks all those boxes.

Has winning percentage of .615%, won 4 Big East titles and 3 ECAC Coach of the Years. Plus 1 more at D3.

It’s time for the school to do him justice.

People against him are what makes us as a fan base…..look stupid.

 

[OrangePA]

Oh and those big bowl wins over OSU and Colorado were with Mac’s guys as I said earlier … seems to be the thing this board does right analyze the talent left by the former coach … it’s your argument for Marrone. The old coach worship is tiring.

Mac was pretty much a bust until D and P arrived on the Hill.

 

[sufandu]

Mac was pretty much a bust until D and P arrived on the Hill.

That's an exaggeration. He had 3 consecutive winning seasons and won 7 games in 85 before P got there. That was the first time the program did that since 1968. And all of the players that were on the '87 team were recruited prior to P's arrival. D was there eariier, but if we're going to give him credit for Mac's success, don't we also have to assign him some blame for 1986. It takes a while to rebuild after prolonged lack of success. Hiring good assistants is part of the head coach's job. Do we not give Mac credit for hiring P and D? Were those guys thrust upon him?

Why does it have to be ether/or? Can't we say that P and D were integral pieces of a program Mac was in charge of?

 

[Archbold44]

That's an exaggeration. He had 3 consecutive winning seasons and won 7 games in 85 before P got there. That was the first time the program did that since 1968. And all of the players that were on the '87 team were recruited prior to P's arrival. D was there eariier, but if we're going to give him credit for Mac's success, don't we also have to assign him some blame for 1986. It takes a while to rebuild after prolonged lack of success. Hiring good assistants is part of the head coach's job. Do we not give Mac credit for hiring P and D? Were those guys thrust upon him?

Why does it have to be ether/or? Can't we say that P and D were integral pieces of a program Mac was in charge of?

The argument continues because it is not resolvable.

Coach Mac left a full cupboard for Coach P.
Coach P did not squander that full cupboard, going 10-2 and 10-2.

Coach P oversaw a period of time where Syracuse was nationally relevant.
Coach P oversaw a period of time where Syracuse began losing national relevance.

Coach P lost some games we should have won (i.e. losing to Temple in 2004).
Coach P won some games that we expected to lose (i.e. beating BC in 2004)

In the end, however, there were a lot of blowouts and inexcusable upset losses, which coming off the 1987-1998 period, were just unacceptable.
In the end, however, firing Coach P in January was a stupid stupid decision that was worse than just keeping him for one more year.

 

[CuseVegas]

This is such a morbidly interesting post... with love, I had to dislike all the P hate just to stick up for him and Deleone. Please note that if you said to Coach Fran that Coach Pasqualoni and Coach Deleone were bad coaches that needed to be fired back in 2004... he would curse you out and/or laugh in your face.

I love Cuse fans, but I can't believe that this topic is somehow still a major issue for the fan base to wrap their heads around. It is OK to have been wrong 21 years ago and to now acknowledge that you were proven wrong, or to just move on and be quiet about it. FWIW Coach Pasqualoni was a great coach, and he wasn't trying to switch jobs- he wanted to stay in Syracuse and he was in it with us for the long haul. He was our Boeheim for football, but we blew that chance and it cost us all a lot of fun and wins.

Pasqualoni and Deleone were great coaches that brought HOFers and top talent to Syracuse and won with them. Great recruiters, great talent analysts, and great coaches. That said, there is an aging, weird strain of very-online Syracuse fans that will quite literally die before they accept the situation for what it was, and will continue to denigrate them. Weird.

Firing Coach P (in a season where the team won the conference and went to a bowl game) was a catastrophic decision for Syracuse and their fans. You'd have to be misinformed or worse to think otherwise. We all know the answers, we all know what happened. The conference was weakening as the ACC had poached the Big East that season, and so we were poised to rebound. We had Ray Rice and Courtney Greene committed to come play for us, but we lost them when we lost P and D. Raymell Rice wearing 44 would have been sensational at Cuse... people don't realize what a loss that was- he was a phenom. We also lost 20 years of continuity, and the program has never been the same since. (I am posting this additional information for younger fans or less-informed fans, because the dishonest version of the story that trolls like to present - where P and D "needed to go" - is completely weird and inaccurate.)

 

[wfschrec]

This is such a morbidly interesting post... with love, I had to dislike all the P hate just to stick up for him and Deleone. Please note that if you said to Coach Fran that Coach Pasqualoni and Coach Deleone were bad coaches that needed to be fired back in 2004... he would curse you out and/or laugh in your face.

I love Cuse fans, but I can't believe that this topic is somehow still a major issue for the fan base to wrap their heads around. It is OK to have been wrong 21 years ago and to now acknowledge that you were proven wrong, or to just move on and be quiet about it. FWIW Coach Pasqualoni was a great coach, and he wasn't trying to switch jobs- he wanted to stay in Syracuse and he was in it with us for the long haul. He was our Boeheim for football, but we blew that chance and it cost us all a lot of fun and wins.

Pasqualoni and Deleone were great coaches that brought HOFers and top talent to Syracuse and won with them. Great recruiters, great talent analysts, and great coaches. That said, there is an aging, weird strain of very-online Syracuse fans that will quite literally die before they accept the situation for what it was, and will continue to denigrate them. Weird.

Firing Coach P (in a season where the team won the conference and went to a bowl game) was a catastrophic decision for Syracuse and their fans. You'd have to be misinformed or worse to think otherwise. We all know the answers, we all know what happened. The conference was weakening as the ACC had poached the Big East that season, and so we were poised to rebound. We had Ray Rice and Courtney Greene committed to come play for us, but we lost them when we lost P and D. Raymell Rice wearing 44 would have been sensational at Cuse... people don't realize what a loss that was- he was a phenom. We also lost 20 years of continuity, and the program has never been the same since. (I am posting this additional information for younger fans or less-informed fans, because the dishonest version of the story that trolls like to present - where P and D "needed to go" - is completely weird and inaccurate.)

Low bar going 6-6 and bragging about winning a 7 team conference with that record. Bravo . But hey we tied for first in the big least oh and by the way forfeited those 6 wins a few years later but carry on we tied for first in C-USA light whoopie.