Didnt have a chance to post last night but

[Marsh01]

I rest my case on why CJ Fair is so important to this team because of his ability to make plays. I know people have argued whether his shot is better than last year, whether James is a better player. Bottom line is this kid is the glue that is going to get this team through games like yesterday.

Give me 10 CJ Fairs all day long.

 

[longislandcuse]

Im not huge on CJ Fair but I will admit in games like Marquette where its just a straight up dogfight...hes good and hes growing on me.

 

[twinight]

Odd. I thought he didn't play that well last night. He was very soft inside and had a poor shooting night. I thought southerland played better defense (Southerland was in for much, if not most of the period where they held Marquette to no field goals in the first half.)

But Boeheim must have agreed with you and seen something I didn't.

 

[moqui]

I rest my case on why CJ Fair is so important to this team because of his ability to make plays. I know people have argued whether his shot is better than last year, whether James is a better player. Bottom line is this kid is the glue that is going to get this team through games like yesterday.

Give me 10 CJ Fairs all day long.

it is not about CJ vs. James (they play different positions), and it is not about whether or not he is an important contributor (of course he is), it is whether he is the budding superstar that you and others claim him to be . . . he is not, IMO.

And, for all your lauding of his" Bball IQ" that three pointer he tossed up with 25 seconds on the shot clock was one of the dumbest - and costliest - plays of the game.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

10 CJ Fairs would be like most Maryland teams of the past decade. You cant have a bunch of small forwards at every position

 

[orangefan13]

CJ has been absolutely huge this year.
He has made big basket after basket in the second half all year long. And I quote All year long

This last game he did the same but it took him more opportunities to do so 4-12. Although he was fouled on atleast two of those shots that I can remember also.
I know he made atleast a huge shot in the middle of the paint and hit a few freethrows.
Can't say it enough When the going gets tough in the meat of the second half (under the 14 minute mark) you know CJ is going to make atleast 4 big points.

Got to give it to Keita for his putback and two free throws late in the game yesterday also.

 

[NineOneSeven]

it is not about CJ vs. James (they play different positions), and it is not about whether or not he is an important contributor (of course he is), it is whether he is the budding superstar that you and others claim him to be . . . he is not, IMO.

And, for all your lauding of his" Bball IQ" that three pointer he tossed up with 25 seconds on the shot clock was one of the dumbest - and costliest - plays of the game.

And his steal on the fastbreak after Dion attempted a lefty one handed bullet pass into Melo in traffic was a MORE important play in the game, IMO. It showed the hustle he brings.

He had a poor shooting night sure. The best shooters in the league have poor shooting nights. CJ also gets fouled more with no call than most players I have seen, IMO. People here are incredible critical at times and it amazes me.

 

[tbonezone]

love cj's game (he's everywhere) but he's shooting way too much for a role player (which is what he is imo).

 

[twinight]

This last game he did the same but it took him more opportunities to do so 4-12. Although he was fouled on atleast two of those shots that I can remember also.

Of course you realize if you miss a shot when you're fouled it doesn't count as an attempt, right?

 

[raf4488]

CJ is much more than a role player, he's already one of the best players on the team. JB has said he'd start for pretty much anyone else and he's right. He does petty much everything- he can defend, rebound, finish around the rim, and can even step out and shoot it now. I don't think anyone else on this team is nearly as versatile.

Referring to the OP, I can't quite believe some people are arguing that JS is better (although I haven't seen that myself on this board). Look at the minutes and the stat lines and that tells you all you need to know.

 

[tbonezone]

"DSyR440, post: 144048, member: 871"]And his steal on the fastbreak after Dion attempted a lefty one handed bullet pass into Melo in traffic was a MORE important play in the game, IMO. It showed the hustle he brings."

did i not see melo flinching on that pass ??? man up brazilli boy!

 

[realorange]

it is not about CJ vs. James (they play different positions), and it is not about whether or not he is an important contributor (of course he is), it is whether he is the budding superstar that you and others claim him to be . . . he is not, IMO.

And, for all your lauding of his" Bball IQ" that three pointer he tossed up with 25 seconds on the shot clock was one of the dumbest - and costliest - plays of the game.

It would be Very easy to pick out one bone headed shot for each person that played yesterday. As for superstar, I'll just stick with star for the next two years.

 

[twinight]

Referring to the OP, I can't quite believe some people are arguing that JS is better (although I haven't seen that myself on this board). Look at the minutes and the stat lines and that tells you all you need to know.

I think they're both great. But I believe an argument can be made...

Points per 40 minutes
Fair - 13.6
Southerland - 20.3
Rebounds per 40 minutes
Fair - 8.2
Southerland - 8.2
Assists per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.1
Southerland - 1.6
Steals per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.7
Southerland - 2.8
Blocks per 40 minutes
Fair - .6
Southerland - 2.0
Turnovers per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.6
Southerland - 1.0

And if you want to look at last night, as I mentioned, I think when Southerland was in we shut them down defensively. CJ played soft offensively (missed 5 layups) and was in for most of the second half when they rolled over us.

 

[zhanjuzi]

The only thing missing from CJ's game is strength. Add 10 lbs of lean muscle on him and he would be unstoppable.

 

[rrlbees]

The biggest difference between CJ and James is that CJ does most of his damage on the inside while James does his on the perimeter. Since out SF tens to be better on the perimeter and our centers aren't big scorers, JB will tend to go with the more inside player.

 

[pfister1]

And if you want to look at last night, as I mentioned, I think when Southerland was in we shut them down defensively. CJ played soft offensively (missed 5 layups) and was in for most of the second half when they rolled over us.

I think this was uncharacteristic of CJ, he is typcially a pretty good finisher around the basket. I think it was pretty clear that playing the PF against a pretty physical team was difficult for him yesterday. That said he had one of his best games last year against Pitt and they play the same hammer you and ask questions later style.

 

[SoBeCuse]

The only thing missing from CJ's game is strength. Add 10 lbs of lean muscle on him and he would be unstoppable.

I like CJ but he is far from unstoppable. He's Pace with a better jumper and taller. Limited handle. I tend to agree with tbonezone. He's a role player and a good one. Nothing wrong with that and I'm glad he's on our team.

 

[Marsh01]

it is not about CJ vs. James (they play different positions), and it is not about whether or not he is an important contributor (of course he is), it is whether he is the budding superstar that you and others claim him to be . . . he is not, IMO.

And, for all your lauding of his" Bball IQ" that three pointer he tossed up with 25 seconds on the shot clock was one of the dumbest - and costliest - plays of the game.

Well there is still hope for you to come around Moqui. I respect your opinion on a lot of topics but I think you are dead wrong on CJ. I never said he was going to be a first team all american.

 

[RoysRunts]

SU wins with CJ without we lose. Every game (Except 1) he has made a Big play, Every Game Go back and look at the tapes.

 

[DNABB5]

Of course you realize if you miss a shot when you're fouled it doesn't count as an attempt, right?

Unless of course it isn't called, which is his point. At least two of CJ's missed layups were because he was hacked.

 

[BostonOrange]

I think they're both great. But I believe an argument can be made...

Points per 40 minutes
Fair - 13.6
Southerland - 20.3
Rebounds per 40 minutes
Fair - 8.2
Southerland - 8.2
Assists per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.1
Southerland - 1.6
Steals per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.7
Southerland - 2.8
Blocks per 40 minutes
Fair - .6
Southerland - 2.0
Turnovers per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.6
Southerland - 1.0

And if you want to look at last night, as I mentioned, I think when Southerland was in we shut them down defensively. CJ played soft offensively (missed 5 layups) and was in for most of the second half when they rolled over us.

That is interesting. I thought last year that cj was clearly a better all around player than js. This year i am not sure. Cj has improved but James has really improved. And, with dion and, to a lesser extent, the other guys creating a lot of opportunities for kick outs I think James is very valuable. I was dissapointed he didn't get any run in the 2nd half yesterday

 

[Banned]

The biggest difference between CJ and James is that CJ does most of his damage on the inside while James does his on the perimeter. Since out SF tens to be better on the perimeter and our centers aren't big scorers, JB will tend to go with the more inside player.

This is the perfect analysis. KJ is our 3 and he is a perimiter based player. Fair is a garbage man down low. Fair was off yesterday but he is the 4 that can keep us balanced offensively.

 

[cuseattle]

love cj's game (he's everywhere) but he's shooting way too much for a role player (which is what he is imo).

"CJ Fair is everywhere!"- Is this an homage to the little french mouse Savoire Faire from the Underdog cartoon show? Or am I just reading way too much into it? "Klondike Cat always gets his Mouse."

 

[SUFan44]

I think they're both great. But I believe an argument can be made...

Points per 40 minutes
Fair - 13.6
Southerland - 20.3
Rebounds per 40 minutes
Fair - 8.2
Southerland - 8.2
Assists per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.1
Southerland - 1.6
Steals per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.7
Southerland - 2.8
Blocks per 40 minutes
Fair - .6
Southerland - 2.0
Turnovers per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.6
Southerland - 1.0

And if you want to look at last night, as I mentioned, I think when Southerland was in we shut them down defensively. CJ played soft offensively (missed 5 layups) and was in for most of the second half when they rolled over us.

I think your numbers are a bit off.

Let's take a look at games against actual competition, rather than including Fordham, Albany, Manhattan and Colgate.

I included the two NYC games, Florida, NC State and the four BE games.

Points Per 40 minutes
Fair - 14.6 PPG
Southerland - 14.0 PPG

Rebounds Per 40 minutes
Fair - 8.6 RPG
Southerland - 6.6 RPG

Assists Per 40 minutes
Fair - 0.8 APG
Southerland - 0.0 APG

Blocks Per 40 minutes
Fair - 0.5 BPG
Southerland - 0.9 BPG

Turnovers Per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.1 TO/G
Southerland - 1.2 TO/G

Steals Per 40 minutes
Fair - 1.3 SPG
Southerland - 0.9 SPG

I'd also like to point out that Fair plays 31.4 minutes per game in those contests, and Southerland plays about 12.2. There has been an uptick recently, and I do think that James is improving and is doing some nice things. But let's use the real data that matters, and not include "fluff".

 

[Fjoinkay]

Yesterday CJ's inside game was soft and a bit off. He missed a lot of shots in the paint, and he probably should have passed when he drove the ball a couple of times. He is a good player, but he needs to gain some weight and finish better.