Dino’s buyout

[Ozcuse]

Bad recruiting? What? I reject your premise. Have you been around long? Been through one of those threads?

Every one of our 2 and three stars is a hidden gem, no one knows how to grade the Canadians, Dohn hates us and poorly grades our recruits, our few and far between 4 stars are all legit and will be Heisman candidates before they graduate, Dino has a system and our recruits don’t need to be 4 stars…

Did I hit recruiting thread BINGO?

 

[Evan Miller]

Neither does going 1-10 the previous season and having 4 out of 5 (and potentially 5 out of 6) losing seasons but here we are.

Correct. Look, anytime there is a coaching change you lose a few recruits. It happens...not a big deal. You get a few new ones arriving too. It is never a reason not to pursue a new coach of you believe it warranted.

The worst impact on recruiting? Losing records. Nobody wants to play for a losing program.

 

[javadoc]

Every one of our 2 and three stars is a hidden gem, no one knows how to grade the Canadians, Dohn hates us and poorly grades our recruits, our few and far between 4 stars are all legit and will be Heisman candidates before they graduate, Dino has a system and our recruits don’t need to be 4 stars…

Did I hit recruiting thread BINGO?

From a negative slant, sure.

 

[Evan Miller]

Then I guess we are a lower program than Boston College because they said that wasn’t good enough for them.

Yep...fired Addazio before a bowl game... after he had previously reached bowls 6 out of 7 seasons. This was still considered not good enough by BC. It seems to be working out well for them. They have a good team despite losing the starter at QB. Very good young head coach who looks like a very good recruiter. Ranked #25 nationally in recruiting and 5th in ACC.

How did changing coaches hurt BC?

This whole attitude...you can't fire a coach cause it will hurt recruiting...it is absurd. What, you might fall from 13th to 14th one season? Horrors!!

 

[Chris02M]

we must have money as we just willingly ibncreased our payment to Onondaga county from 1 to 2 million

 

[javadoc]

Yep...fired Addazio before a bowl game... after he had previously reached bowls 6 out of 7 seasons. This was still considered not good enough by BC. It seems to be working out well for them. They have a good team despite losing the starter at QB. Very good young head coach who looks like a very good recruiter. Ranked #25 nationally in recruiting and 5th in ACC.

How did changing coaches hurt BC?

This whole attitude...you can't fire a coach cause it will hurt recruiting...it is absurd. What, you might fall from 13th to 14th one season? Horrors!!

What do you see on the field this year that suggests to you our recruiting is that much of a problem?

 

[TheCusian]

As alarming as the losses piling up is bad recruiting. 13th in ACC. BC and Pitt have very good FB recruiting. Why can't Dino? Why do both those peer programs recruit so well now and Syracuse does not? Why? I'd like to hear Dino's explanation in Year 6...yet you hear nothing. Crickets.

If recruiting does not improve considerably it is all a moot point. You can't run a successful program with recruiting 12-14th rated in ACC. Consistently. Firing is guaranteed.

The buyout is his main protection. Yeah, he could be bought out. But they would rather not. It is a lot of dead money and admins and trustees will want answers. No matter what record, 3-9 or 5-7, the can will be kicked down road for at least one more year.

No firing this season.

I feel like this needs an auto-reply we talk about it so much here.

We don't recruit like Pitt and BC because they have advantages we do not.

 

[Evan Miller]

I feel like this needs an auto-reply we talk about it so much here.

We don't recruit like Pitt and BC because they have advantages we do not.

Both Northeast schools. What big advantage does either have in a southern centric ACC. The power base is in the South.

 

[SoBristol]

Then I guess we are a lower program than Boston College because they said that wasn’t good enough for them.

If you have checked history since 2001, we pretty much are a lower program than BC in W/L, bowl participation, and recruiting. If we get to 6 and 6 this year, and having taken Wake and FSU to the wire, we likely will be happy. We weren’t favored in those two games (or Liberty), we likely will not be favored in any of the remaining games.

But it is more than that, as I have written above. The team is playing good football, for a change, after getting pushed around in 2019 and 2020. We have young kids doing well in several spots. If we can keep Shrader and Tucker healthy, we have a chance.

 

[Bayside44]

Yes it is possible to better, I noted that in my post that the offense and team looks better then last year but again this is year six not 2 or 3 so perhaps I am not giving it as much credit as you are but again the team is improved there is little argument there.

Yes we all know about COVID and the issues it created for every single program in America. I get it affected SU heavily but it did for most programs. During the season SU actually handled it well, what it didn't handle well was the injuries and a complete lack of any sort of competent back up QB which is 100% on the staff.

Yes I will definitely hold off until I see more, I like that the team is playing better but its an odd time to take some sort of Babers victory lap when the season has six games left and we've already lost to a bad Rutty team that's been pounded by every other P5 team, lost to one of the worst FSU teams of the last 25 years and have a HC who still struggles with the basics of clock and time management.

That Rutgers game was Tommy's last stand. Lets see on FSU, they just went into Chapel Hill and beat up on the pre-season darling. They're still FSU with Florida talent.

And you know COVID was governed far differently in Indiana, Florida, SC, Liberty, Georgia (I know we won that one) that it was in Syracuse.

Lots of 500 programs in this conference right now.

 

[Bayside44]

100% agree with these sentiments.

We had such a weak OOC schedule this year, and the ACC is weak sauce as well, with currently only two teams ranked in the Top 25 being Wake and NCST. What, did I hear that right, Wake & NCST! Wow, that speaks volumes right there. Wake is the higher ranked of the two at 6-0, but who have they really beaten worth a darn?

What also speaks volumes is how so many here seemingly manage to rationalize/accept the consistent losing due to the competitiveness of the losses...in year 6 nonetheless. We have yet to win a P5 game this year, oh boy, but we almost won, should've won, but, but, and more buts. Excuses out the ying-yang! There's that saying for those that make constant excuses...

Bottom line, at this level it's about wins and losses, at a minimum, winning more than you lose. Additionally, Dino's overall ACC and P5 record here to date is flat out putrid.

Wake and NC State have some pretty good coaching continuity.

 

[Bayside44]

Both Northeast schools. What big advantage foes either have in a southern centric ACC. The power base is in the South.

In your 60 or whatever posts here do you do anything but complain and ask rhetorical questions? Pitt is located in a very solid recruiting area. BC gets a lot of the Jesuit HS kids which tend to pump out pretty good football.

 

[Evan Miller]

That Rutgers game was Tommy's last stand. Lets see on FSU, they just went into Chapel Hill and beat up on the pre-season darling. They're still FSU with Florida talent.

And you know COVID was governed far differently in Indiana, Florida, SC, Liberty, Georgia (I know we won that one) that it was in Syracuse.

Lots of 500 programs in this conference right now.

The conference is down. In particular compared to SEC.

 

[orangemass]

The constant chatter of changing a coach doesn’t give recruits confidence that the coach will be there if he commits.

Maybe the constant boneheaded coaching decisions doesn’t bode confidence either

 

[OburgOrange]

So let’s recap:
- we are bottom dwellers in recruiting in the ACC , and will continue to be after year six
- we will continue to have bone head decisions by the coach, who doubles down on his decisions, after year six
- we are showing “improvement “, just not in the W/L column after year six
- but it’s too early to consider a buyout because the school can’t afford it, after year six
- we want more of the same because we don’t want a rebuild, after year six
- we will lose recruits because we vent on a fan board, after year six
- Covid year was an anamoly, but it was for every other team
- Dazzler is a non starter because he went 7-6, most years and made bowl games. Ya, we don’t want that!

Therefore, a buyout is out of the question, after year six, because we want more of the same.

Did I miss anything?

 

[upperdeck]

Yes it is possible to better, I noted that in my post that the offense and team looks better then last year but again this is year six not 2 or 3 so perhaps I am not giving it as much credit as you are but again the team is improved there is little argument there.

Yes we all know about COVID and the issues it created for every single program in America. I get it affected SU heavily but it did for most programs. During the season SU actually handled it well, what it didn't handle well was the injuries and a complete lack of any sort of competent back up QB which is 100% on the staff.

Yes I will definitely hold off until I see more, I like that the team is playing better but its an odd time to take some sort of Babers victory lap when the season has six games left and we've already lost to a bad Rutty team that's been pounded by every other P5 team, lost to one of the worst FSU teams of the last 25 years and have a HC who still struggles with the basics of clock and time management.

which team pounded rutgers again? mich who they dominated for about 40 min or top 5 MSU who struggled all game with them?

 

[EuclidBred]

Quick chime in here for whatever it's worth:

1. Those who think message board banter affects recruiting are giving themselves far too much credit. It is very easy for coaches to combat this when (if they even do) they hear it. Especially in this day and age of common no-face avatar critics all over social media.

2. The decision to keep Dino is going to be made 6 weeks from now - not in the middle of October. This will not be looked at in a vacuum. One thing people forget in these situations is who is out there right now. It's not a hot coaching market this year. That would play into Dino's favor.

3. I am excited about the second half of the season BUT am still skeptical. Our defense has played well against some really bad offenses. The offense looked good the last two weeks but they are going to have to figure out how to throw the ball more effectively. This is why I am still cautiously optimistic.

4. Buyouts aren't always what people think they are - especially when you consider private schools and how they do things a bit differently. I am willing to bet the buyout drops significantly after this season (typically it does in 2/3 year after signing extensions). Remember, buyout amounts aren't always the full amount of the contract - you can build them in ways to protect the school while still placating the coach.

5. Last thing - we are 3-3 and there is truly a 50/50 chance at where this season is going. The same can be said for Dino. If the season tanks, he should be gone - if we get to 5/6 wins, he'll stay. This is my opinion and not based on any convos I've had. I have shared my opinion a few times but am willing to give the guy the rest of '21 so show why he should be the coach in '22.


edit: can't believe we've hit the point of the season where we are calling for Addazio to be the HC - lol! The guy who got fired from BC, went to Colorado State, has already had bullying allegations, etc...but he coached here 20 years ago! - c'mon man!

 

[upperdeck]

Maybe the constant boneheaded coaching decisions doesn’t bode confidence either

can someone make a list of the bonehead decisions? do some bad in game decisions mean more than good pre-game decisions that got SU into spots to win games? Last I saw we are not rolling Ala talent out on the field.

 

[upperdeck]

Quick chime in here for whatever it's worth:

1. Those who think message board banter affects recruiting are giving themselves far too much credit. It is very easy for coaches to combat this when (if they even do) they hear it. Especially in this day and age of common no-face avatar critics all over social media.

2. The decision to keep Dino is going to be made 6 weeks from now - not in the middle of October. This will not be looked at in a vacuum. One thing people forget in these situations is who is out there right now. It's not a hot coaching market this year. That would play into Dino's favor.

3. I am excited about the second half of the season BUT am still skeptical. Our defense has played well against some really bad offenses. The offense looked good the last two weeks but they are going to have to figure out how to throw the ball more effectively. This is why I am still cautiously optimistic.

4. Buyouts aren't always what people think they are - especially when you consider private schools and how they do things a bit differently. I am willing to bet the buyout drops significantly after this season (typically it does in 2/3 year after signing extensions). Remember, buyout amounts aren't always the full amount of the contract - you can build them in ways to protect the school while still placating the coach.

5. Last thing - we are 3-3 and there is truly a 50/50 chance at where this season is going. The same can be said for Dino. If the season tanks, he should be gone - if we get to 5/6 wins, he'll stay. This is my opinion and not based on any convos I've had. I have shared my opinion a few times but am willing to give the guy the rest of '21 so show why he should be the coach in '22.

which offenses did we play that were bad?

FSU had more yds vs UL/UNC/ND than they did vs SU?
Rutgers had more yds vs MSU/OSU/Mich than vs SU
wake had more yds vs UL/Virg/FSU than vs SU
Liberty had more yds vs Everyone than vs SU

I think we have schemed ahead of our overall talent. Will that trend continue?

 

[CanadianSU]

Pure silliness. Lots of folks had their minds made up after last year and are clinging to "coaching mistakes" as the last credible reason to fire a guy that has righted the ship.

We're as good as we have been since 2018 when we we won 10 games and gave the eventual National Champs all they wanted at their place.

It's time to let it go and enjoy the ride.

One thing to say he shouldn’t be fired that’s cool but I’m not so sure the ship has been righted either.

 

[Willy75]

In your 60 or whatever posts here do you do anything but complain and ask rhetorical questions? Pitt is located in a very solid recruiting area. BC gets a lot of the Jesuit HS kids which tend to pump out pretty good football.

BC also has a reputation for sending offensive linemen to the NFL. We’re getting that reputation for dbs, but I think the linemen are more impactful at the college level.

 

[EuclidBred]

which offenses did we play that were bad?

FSU had more yds vs UL/UNC/ND than they did vs SU?
Rutgers had more yds vs MSU/OSU/Mich than vs SU
wake had more yds vs UL/Virg/FSU than vs SU
Liberty had more yds vs Everyone than vs SU

I think we have schemed ahead of our overall talent. Will that trend continue?

Total Offense Rankings:

FSU - #76 - we gave up 378 yards
Rutgers - #99 - we gave up 195 yards
Wake Forest - #42 - we gave up 426 yards
Liberty - #36 - we gave up 369 yards
Ohio - #103 - we gave up 346 yards

Still to come: Pitt #4, Louisville #30, NC State #48, BC #63, Clemson #116 (lol we shall see on Friday), VT #115

Like I said, the second half is going to be very telling.

 

[721Comstock]

BC also has a reputation for sending offensive linemen to the NFL. We’re getting that reputation for dbs, but I think the linemen are more impactful at the college level.

DB’s? Syracuse?

Prior to Dre & Iffy, the last DB to latch on anywhere was…

Shamarko?

That isn’t much of a “reputation”.

Closest we have to a current rep for NFL players is -

Punters.

 

[JeremyCuse]

which team pounded rutgers again? mich who they dominated for about 40 min or top 5 MSU who struggled all game with them?

The 31-13 MSU win where they shut Rutty out in the second half you consider struggling? Also MSU was ranked 11 on Sat, did you mean top 5 in the B10?

Michigan dominated Rutgers in the first half it was 20-3, no idea where your getting RU dominating them for 40 minutes. Yes they tightened it up in the 2nd half but the game was never in doubt.

 

[upperdeck]

The 31-13 MSU win where they shut Rutty out in the second half you consider struggling? Also MSU was ranked 11 on Sat, did you mean top 5 in the B10?

Michigan dominated Rutgers in the first half it was 20-3, no idea where your getting RU dominating them for 40 minutes. Yes they tightened it up in the 2nd half but the game was never in doubt.

not sure how a 20-13 game with a whole quarter to play was never in doubt. Rutgers outgained they by like 200 yds the last 40 min. outgained them by 100 yds over all. Rutgers had the ball at the 30 and the 10 and didnt score in the 4th as well.