Dino 202X | Page 2 | Syracusefan.com

Dino 202X

Not sure what your plan is. You over play to the left, they run it to the right. They run off tackle or they sweep. The simple fact is that BC was winning the physical battles in the lines and Dillon was overpowering the LBs. They did not need to get fancy because old school was working. You get the safeties overplaying the run, you have an open receiver behind the safeties.
The scheme has to adjust to what the opponent is doing.
We don’t adjust well.
Coaching staff needs to have the players lineup better.
It’s a fair criticism.
I am pro Dino but the coaching staff around him has been terrible. Talent may need an upgrade but the players aren’t lining Up right.
 
People who think our coaching is 100% of the problem are being unreasonable.

Likewise, people who think our coaching is 0% of the problem are being unreasonable.

It's not binary. We have a combination of talent and coaching issues right now.
 
That’s on coaching to hold kids accountable. It is obvious that we don’t hold anyone accountable. Penalties, who cares. Stoping your feet like a spoiled brat, who cares.
That’s on coaching to hold kids accountable. It is obvious that we don’t hold anyone accountable. Penalties, who cares. Stoping your feet like a spoiled brat, who cares.

Obv it is on coaches to hold kids accountable, themselves and each other.
 
The scheme has to adjust to what the opponent is doing.
We don’t adjust well.
Coaching staff needs to have the players lineup better.
It’s a fair criticism.
I am pro Dino but the coaching staff around him has been terrible. Talent may need an upgrade but the players aren’t lining Up right.
Just how would you adjust to what BC was doing? Our guys were lining up and getting pushed around and run over. Bigger guys running through smaller guys. Sometimes football is brutally simple. And you can’t fix it by having the players “line up better”.
 
Just how would you adjust to what BC was doing? Our guys were lining up and getting pushed around and run over. Bigger guys running through smaller guys. Sometimes football is brutally simple. And you can’t fix it by having the players “line up better”.
BC ran the same plays. Run blitzes can stop the running game in obvious run downs.
We were passive and then blitzed on passing situations which left us vulnerable for deep shots and BC hit them.
We didn’t adjust to BC running an unbalanced line on run downs.
 
Just how would you adjust to what BC was doing? Our guys were lining up and getting pushed around and run over. Bigger guys running through smaller guys. Sometimes football is brutally simple. And you can’t fix it by having the players “line up better”.
Eh, maybe. But every week we see physically outmatches teams hang with, if not upset, more talented teams. BC is not Nebraska of the 80s. I mean they lost to Kansas. There have to be ways a smart coach can cook up a way to at least slow that run game down.
 
Pro football is 80% coaching, 20% talent.
The Patriots are one of the least talented teams in the league. They never get the elite talent unless of injury concerns like Gronk. However the coaching staff gives them all assignments to do their job and because football talent between 1-32 isn’t that large the coaching advantage makes the difference.

College football is 80% talent, 20% coaching. Our talent is subpar to start off but this staff has failed this season and that is how you get multiple stinkers in a year.
This staff can do well but massive changes are needed.
Coaching staff has to demand discipline you can’t lack talent and be stupid on the field.
We need to improve that. Discipline has been an issue for every coaching staff since P.
Talent is improving but it’s not like we are swimming on a huge recruiting class.
Redshirting every OL/DL should be a priority.

I don’t get how college coaching staff’s can’t pickup weakneesses. The TE in college football is neglected. Teams that use them can exploit defenses. Dino needs to make change but rebuilding isn’t a long term project.
If we fix the OL and bring in some talent at QB we can win 6-7 games next year.
Everyone in the NFL has size strength and speed. Switch rosters and bc didn't push us around. In college scheme matters but there are some limits, it doesn't overcome pitiful strength and speed
 
Everyone in the NFL has size strength and speed. Switch rosters and bc didn't push us around. In college scheme matters but there are some limits, it doesn't overcome pitiful strength and speed
I think if you give Dino talent he can ulitize it.
He needs to get that talent here but I have faith he is the coach we need.

This roster this year is on him though.
I am confident next year can be better assuming he fixes the OL, brings in QBs and we get lucky on 3rd down defense like we have done the 2 previous years.
 
People who think our coaching is 100% of the problem are being unreasonable.

Likewise, people who think our coaching is 0% of the problem are being unreasonable.

It's not binary. We have a combination of talent and coaching issues right now.
Which is why I disagree with those who do not believe there will be any movement on the staff. I think Wildhack will have a very candid discussion with Dino officially after the season and Dino isn't dumb, he knows it. That said I have no problem with Dino using coach speak until the end of the season before making any declarative statements beyond "it's on him". He is close to his staff, he won't out them right now. Given his closeness to them though I would expect if change does happen it will happen lightening fast at seasons end so anyone departing has a chance to land another gig. It also may assist depending on the hire in reeling in a few recruits.
 
People who think our coaching is 100% of the problem are being unreasonable.

Likewise, people who think our coaching is 0% of the problem are being unreasonable.

It's not binary. We have a combination of talent and coaching issues right now.
You are correct. Not sure this staff especially on offense meshes the play calling with the individual(s) who is/are involved in the play. Asking a 5'8" 170 pound kid to block on a screen for another 5'8" 170 pound kid is just plain stupid. Especially when the route has you right on the sideline and all the pursuit is coming from the inside. There is no rhyme or reasoning to Lynch's play calling. On defense, we would need about two days to cover that mess. In short, it's time for a change at OC and DC. Otherwise, this program has cratered.
 
We should have shot the gaps with consistent run blitz all game long. That was the only chance to slow their backs down. By playing passively we allowed their OL to get to the second level. Constant pressure flooding the gaps was the only way to negate their physical advantage.
 
I seem to recall Dino saying “our 1’s look like acc talent and can play with anyone”. Or something similar. We have not looked like that all year.
 
3-6 could be 5-4 in the coastal.

A perfect storm of bad things has created this mess. Dino’s the best coach I’ve seen at SU and have faith he’ll reverse all/most of the wrongs by next year.

I mean who could predict Harris/Riley/Johnsons all getting slower, dropping the ball more often, and in general being way worse. Forget the other issues. That’s not on Dino or Devito. They’re collectively awful. Have any of them even made a play to get a first down that wasn’t wide open and made guys miss to pick up yardage all year?
 
Only way he fixes this is to recruit better. This is less about X's and O's and more about not having enough talent.

Some (many) will disagree, but Syracuse isn't being out-coached, it just doesn't have the talent to compete in the ACC this year. And unfortunately next year looks to be worse
Yes but your telling me Maryland is 43 points more talented?
 
Yes but your telling me Maryland is 43 points more talented?
That's one game. You can't look at this in a vacuum. Have to look at the big picture
 
That's one game. You can't look at this in a vacuum. Have to look at the big picture
It’s more than one game. Is BC all those points more talented?

I’m not saying talent isn’t a problem. But we’ve been blown out by peer teams.
 
Coaching is leadership, teaching, planning, and motivation. This year our Oline was not prepared to do their basic job. The play calling is one dimensional and easy to defend. When your team has no offense and you are going up against huge leads, in the first half of a game it's difficult for your D to perform at its best.

Recruiting is vital and so is coaching that reflects the players you have and will be effective vs each opponent.

We haven't seen the coaching skills we need to see, by this staff. I like Dino and hope he succeeds. However, adjustments need to be made in the coaching; some of that may be through position coach changes and some of that may be through HCDB adjusting his thinking.
 
We lost by 31 at home to a BC who lost to Kansas at home. We lost to Maryland who has gotten blown out by all Bug Ten teams not named Rutgers. <insert more examples if needed>. We return a ton of starters from a 10 win team that was a play away from beating Clemson who won the NC by dominating Alabama. I understand the raw talent needs to get better, but is it really responsible for this massive swing?
Yes. That and the leadership lost at those positions.
 
Coaching can prevent a disaster season like we have right now. Dino did a poor job getting the team ready for the season. If they weren't prepared for the season that's on him. Accountability starts at the top.

I think Dino needs to bring in other voices that aren't part of his cabal so there can be a difference of opinion vs a cult of personality. Even Saban brings in Kiffin types to give his program a different perspective.

Dino owns this and he will have to figure out a way to fix it. My big concern is he mentally prepared for that rebuild? he's always left when a program got going. He has never fixed a problem he created. Should be interesting.
 
Just how would you adjust to what BC was doing?

I would've replaced the 4th defensive back with a 4th LB like Richards who's 240 comes downhill and hits people. The 4th DB was not helping. We ran a lot of 5-2 and even 7-2, I'm not sure why, once they broke through he first level we were in trouble and they ran a coupe of little counters that we were slow to read. Which is typical with only 2 LB's. I really believe a second level with 4 LBs instead of 2 and 3 would've helped immensely on a few aspects. The overall scheme from Ward on Saturday was awful when you go back and watch. It was like Bollough that day against GT (56-0).

Watching some of the replays though, it was fundamentally bad football moreso than talent. Foster made 3 glaring mistakes (in the first half) that directly led to 3 long TDs. They were all on him bar none. Twice he bit and once he took a bad angle and missed the RB. I'm really REALLY interested to see if Foster keeps his job. I don't see how he can. (2 other TDs were on Armstrong and Coley (but this one happens) - I didn't watch the others).
 
Coaching can prevent a disaster season like we have right now. Dino did a poor job getting the team ready for the season. If they weren't prepared for the season that's on him. Accountability starts at the top.

I think Dino needs to bring in other voices that aren't part of his cabal so there can be a difference of opinion vs a cult of personality. Even Saban brings in Kiffin types to give his program a different perspective.

Dino owns this and he will have to figure out a way to fix it. My big concern is he mentally prepared for that rebuild? he's always left when a program got going. He has never fixed a problem he created. Should be interesting.
How do we know he is owning this? Someone saying he owns this doesn't always translate. Actions speak louder than words and if the only staff changes are on D, I am questioning Dino's ownership.
 
I would've replaced the 4th defensive back with a 4th LB like Richards who's 240 comes downhill and hits people. The 4th DB was not helping. We ran a lot of 5-2 and even 7-2, I'm not sure why, once they broke through he first level we were in trouble and they ran a coupe of little counters that we were slow to read. Which is typical with only 2 LB's. I really believe a second level with 4 LBs instead of 2 and 3 would've helped immensely on a few aspects. The overall scheme from Ward on Saturday was awful when you go back and watch. It was like Bollough that day against GT (56-0).

Watching some of the replays though, it was fundamentally bad football moreso than talent. Foster made 3 glaring mistakes (in the first half) that directly led to 3 long TDs. They were all on him bar none. Twice he bit and once he took a bad angle and missed the RB. I'm really REALLY interested to see if Foster keeps his job. I don't see how he can. (2 other TDs were on Armstrong and Coley (but this one happens) - I didn't watch the others).
Foster has been doing that for three years and never loses any playing time. His mistakes in those three years have led to some of the longest chunk yard play gains against Syracuse Football in their history. Where has Devon Clarke been?????? It's pretty clear that this defensive staff is not keen on Cam Jonas who is a RF and had offers from some real blue bloods, but has never seen the field. Pretty sure he and some others will enter the transfer portal and further delete Syracuse's already thin depth. That is probably the next shoe to fall. How many young men, dissatisfied by their lack of playing time bail out on this program. That is another potential big blow for 2019-2020 and beyond. Hope this staff and any new additions to it can right this ship or we all should just replace the Syracuse Fight Song with "Nearer My God to Thee"
 
People who think our coaching is 100% of the problem are being unreasonable.

Likewise, people who think our coaching is 0% of the problem are being unreasonable.

It's not binary. We have a combination of talent and coaching issues right now.


But in college, it is on the coach and coaching staff to bring in the talent...So if there isn't enough talent that is on the coaches. If there aren't being coached up then that is also on the coaches. In college, everything falls at the feet of the coaching staff.

This is year 4 almost every player was hand picked and recruited by this staff.
 
I don't recall this level of freak out over the HC when Marrone went from 8-5 in year 2 to 5-7 in year 3. By the wy, he rebounded nicely in year 4.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
171,968
Messages
4,984,644
Members
6,021
Latest member
OldeOstrom

Online statistics

Members online
175
Guests online
2,360
Total visitors
2,535


...
Top Bottom