Dino's Game 9 Press Conference | Pitt

[PhatOrange]

As I said in another post I saw warmups. I would have never guessed he was hurt. I even commented that his ball looked to have more zip than the Clemson game. The trainer doesn’t decide who to play but they along with the med staff decide whether a player is healthy enough to play. They said he was healthy enough. Then it’s up to Dino, the staff and Shrader. We know what they decided.

You need to throw the trainer out of the equation because clearing someone to play and that someone being able to play effectively are two different things.

I understand what you're saying, but he was noticeably limping after Clemson and then we heard he was in a boot all week. Coaches would know the extent of the injury and if he was practicing and how well he was practicing.

There are a bunch of scenarios here, just spitballing a few:

If he practiced and practiced effectively then obviously start him.

If he practiced and his practice was so so and it's a game time decision then you have to monitor his play.

If he didn't practice last week then see above.

They went with him, it didn't take long - a quarter at most - to see he was not going to be effective. It was really eye opening that he only half assed trying to tackle the guy who jumped his throw. That is NOT like Shrader to not even try. Huge red flag.

I personally also think they knew ahead of time because he did NOT call his number at all on any RPO's. That was a red flag. I assume this was be design they didn't want him pulling the ball and they were going to just try and lean on the threat of it. He was hurting on his one RPO, it was noticeable and the 4th down play was the icing on the cake. He 100% of the time would've easily run around that End and picked up the first down. He wanted no part of trying to run for it. He should have been pulled earlier.

 

[orangepassion]

Babers on QB Carlos Del-Rio Wilson: “The biggest thing when someone gets a chance to play in a new system is to get the kinks out. If and when he gets another opportunity, you’d like him to do better than the first time.”

Would have been nice for him to get the kinks out against Wagner.

 

[storange]

I don’t have the ability to play the audio right now but did Dino say he didn’t think Garrett had the tools prior to the game? Or he saw he didnt have it then took him out?

If Dino had doubts prior to the game then decided to just go with Garrett, as he is a gamer, then its good for a coach to say that was his decision imo. Not really a big deal.

Yes , Dino saw that he didn’t have the tools before the game. And so he started him. Evidently your convinced Dino enjoys losing.

 

[storange]

You need to throw the trainer out of the equation because clearing someone to play and that someone being able to play effectively are two different things.

I understand what you're saying, but he was noticeably limping after Clemson and then we heard he was in a boot all week. Coaches would know the extent of the injury and if he was practicing and how well he was practicing.

There are a bunch of scenarios here, just spitballing a few:

If he practiced and practiced effectively then obviously start him.

If he practiced and his practice was so so and it's a game time decision then you have to monitor his play.

If he didn't practice last week then see above.

They went with him, it didn't take long - a quarter at most - to see he was not going to be effective. It was really eye opening that he only half assed trying to tackle the guy who jumped his throw. That is NOT like Shrader to completely not even try. Huge red flag.

I personally also think they knew ahead of time because he did NOT call his number at all on any RPO's. That was a red flag. I assume this was be design they didn't want him pulling the ball and they were going to just try and lean on the threat of it. He was hurting on his one RPO, it was noticeable and the 4th down play was the icing on the cake. He 100% of the time would've easily run around that End and picked up the first down. He wanted no part of trying to run for it. He should have been pulled earlier.

The fact that we moved right down the field on the second drive probably at least delayed the decision to pull him. Just making a guess, trying to put myself in Babers mind set.

 

[bigmike]

Where are the tools?!

In the Pittsburgh head coaches office ?

 

[dollarbill44]

Ultimately it was Babers decision to play Garrett hurt.

I’d love for Dino to start taking more responsibility in the future.

It has been addressed.

 

[690West]

Off topic but whatever happened to the DE who picked us over Clemson. He was a decent recruit who had a disabled friend make his announcement. I’m drawing a blank on him or where went.

 

[Trueblue25]

Yes , Dino saw that he didn’t have the tools before the game. And so he started him. Evidently your convinced Dino enjoys losing.

Nope.

If Dino wants to state that he knew Shrader didn’t look right, but played him anyways, then he as the head coach can say that was Dino’s call and Dino’s responsibility.

If he just said the Medical Staff cleared him so we started him, then thats different.

 

[Trueblue25]

It has been addressed.

Yeah, exactly

 

[Trueblue25]

Off topic but whatever happened to the DE who picked us over Clemson. He was a decent recruit who had a disabled friend make his announcement. I’m drawing a blank on him or where went.

Cooper Dawson, transferred out his freshman year I believe.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The fact that we moved right down the field on the second drive probably at least delayed the decision to pull him. Just making a guess, trying to put myself in Babers mind set.

We had a short field that drive. The rest of the game we had horrible field position, while ND had great field position.

There really wasn't an obvious point to take Shrader out in the 1st half. Maybe after that sack and short drive before getting our INT. But with 1:42 left are you really going to make a change?

BTW that drive was another annoying one. We had a 1st and 5 and turned it into a 3rd and 11. By then it was obvious that Shrader was off. But after that drive why in the heck did Dino have faith on 4th down the next drive?

 

[storange]

Nope.

If Dino wants to state that he knew Shrader didn’t look right, but played him anyways, then he as the head coach can say that was Dino’s call and Dino’s responsibility.

If he just said the Medical Staff cleared him so we started him, then thats different.

Aye but there is so much speculation, so much we have no idea about. Maybe GS practiced well on Friday, maybe he did not. Maybe he didn’t practice at all but it was kept quiet. We have no idea what was going on. If your point is that they don’t give us much info during PCs then yes I agree with you 100%. And that’s not going to change since coaches think they can gain an edge keeping opponents in the dark. I’ll bet Dino has a pretty good idea this afternoon who is playing Saturday. We will find out Saturday.

 

[690West]

Cooper Dawson, transferred out his freshman year I believe.

Ahh yes. Just looked him up. Playing for Charleston southern.

 

[Consigliere]

The fact that we moved right down the field on the second drive probably at least delayed the decision to pull him. Just making a guess, trying to put myself in Babers mind set.

Yeah, he looked pretty good on that drive, didn’t he?

 

[Cusefan0307]

The next probing and effective question Dan Tortora asks will be the first in his ENTIRE career. I swear to God, years from now we will find out he was a university plant who was paid in Shirt World gift cards.

lol he's just a local fanboy.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Maybe he knows the player better than us and knows he needs tough love rather than hugs and kisses.

Whoa there buddy, we’re Syracuse not Penn State.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[kcsu]

As I said in another post I saw warmups. I would have never guessed he was hurt. I even commented that his ball looked to have more zip than the Clemson game. The trainer doesn’t decide who to play but they along with the med staff decide whether a player is healthy enough to play. They said he was healthy enough. Then it’s up to Dino, the staff and Shrader. We know what they decided.

And in hindsight Dino made a poor decision.

 

[kcsu]

You need to throw the trainer out of the equation because clearing someone to play and that someone being able to play effectively are two different things.

I understand what you're saying, but he was noticeably limping after Clemson and then we heard he was in a boot all week. Coaches would know the extent of the injury and if he was practicing and how well he was practicing.

There are a bunch of scenarios here, just spitballing a few:

If he practiced and practiced effectively then obviously start him.

If he practiced and his practice was so so and it's a game time decision then you have to monitor his play.

If he didn't practice last week then see above.

They went with him, it didn't take long - a quarter at most - to see he was not going to be effective. It was really eye opening that he only half assed trying to tackle the guy who jumped his throw. That is NOT like Shrader to not even try. Huge red flag.

I personally also think they knew ahead of time because he did NOT call his number at all on any RPO's. That was a red flag. I assume this was be design they didn't want him pulling the ball and they were going to just try and lean on the threat of it. He was hurting on his one RPO, it was noticeable and the 4th down play was the icing on the cake. He 100% of the time would've easily run around that End and picked up the first down. He wanted no part of trying to run for it. He should have been pulled earlier.

100%. He never should have played. Minimally after the second series when it was obvious he couldn't run he should have been pulled.
I dont think Dino is a good and or quick decision maker. Its not his strong suit. I do give him credit for eventually pulling Shrader but he should have made that call Wednesday or Thursday vs at the half.
I wish he would let his OC and DC make these decisions.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

100%. He never should have played. Minimally after the second series when it was obvious he couldn't run he should have been pulled.
I dont think Dino is a good and or quick decision maker. Its not his strong suit. I do give him credit for eventually pulling Shrader but he should have made that call Wednesday or Thursday vs at the half.
I wish he would let his OC and DC make these decisions.

No head coach lets their assistants make those "decisions" It's evident that the only decisions your comfortable Dino making are probably more in the area of the team dinners, etc

 

[kcsu]

No head coach lets their assistants make those "decisions" It's evident that the only decisions your comfortable Dino making are probably more in the area of the team dinners, etc

Semantics yes, reality no. Most would trust their position coaches' recommendations. I think that he is a good CEO I don't think he is very good at in game decisions. I would think that the position coaches and the coordinators would have a better understanding of which players in their position groups are good to go or not. As to team dinners given the fact that Dino is a ramen guy, I wouldn't let him control that either. He can pick the movies.

 

[PhatOrange]

There really wasn't an obvious point to take Shrader out in the 1st half. Maybe after that sack and short drive before getting our INT. But with 1:42 left are you really going to make a change?

By 1pm in the game thread people were calling for Wilson. I'm not sure at what point in the first half that was though.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Semantics yes, reality no. Most would trust their position coaches' recommendations. I think that he is a good CEO I don't think he is very good at in game decisions. I would think that the position coaches and the coordinators would have a better understanding of which players in their position groups are good to go or not. As to team dinners given the fact that Dino is a ramen guy, I wouldn't let him control that either. He can pick the movies.

I think the head coach would be watching his QB the week of the game when he knows he was injured in some capacity the week before. He's not just telling the QB coach "hey it's your call" and you know that but nice try

 

[Chip]

BTW that drive was another annoying one. We had a 1st and 5 and turned it into a 3rd and 11. By then it was obvious that Shrader was off. But after that drive why in the heck did Dino have faith on 4th down the next drive?

Dino lost faith on the 3rd down call, but then found it again on the 4th down call. It was the strangest decision and sequence.

Couldn't believe we didn't run the ball on 1st or 2nd down. Make ND burn their timeouts, hope Tucker can bounce one outside.

That TD we gave up after starting with the ball on their side of the field with just 1:42 left was about as bad as any of the turnover TDs.

 

[qdawgg]

Dino lost faith on the 3rd down call, but then found it again on the 4th down call. It was the strangest decision. It was such a strange sequence.

Couldn't believe we didn't run the ball on 1st or 2nd down. Make ND burn their timeouts, hope Tucker can bounce one outside.

That TD we gave up after starting with the ball on their side of the field with just 1:42 left was about as bad as any of the turnover TDs.

Game day decision making we know is not in his list of strong attributes.