Dino's Salary Info (from Pete Thamel)

[syrBossHogg]

SU has been spending big bucks. $150+ million in Dome updates, $150 million in Manley renovations, Dino getting paid, big time new assistants, and additional recruiting staff. Big investments that need to start paying off. No one can say SU is going cheap. That’s a lot of money to be potentially left out in the realignment fiasco taking place in college football.

Yeah I've never seen SU invest this much in athletics and I love it. This is why we left the Big East to join the ACC. To give our sports a much needed facelift and be able to compete in a good conference.

It's been frustrating with Dino to say the least. 5 losing seasons in 6 years yet he's what, 2 or 3 or maybe 4 P5 wins away from being able to sell 3 winning seasons in 4 years to recruits along with the program investments announced.

 

[Bulldog04]

My whole thing is if this whole thing turns around, isn’t all the credit due to white and anae/beck? Dino has proven he can’t coach worth a lick and that pains me to say it. But you take Dungey out of these last 6 years and Dino is Grob type on the wins. I like the coach but I don’t think he has any idea. Coach White definitely knows. Yes Dino hired these guys, but honestly after knowing these financial figures now, I am kinda shocked.

I’m never that harsh when it comes to Dino but if this ship gets corrected it’s because of White and Anae/beck

 

[OttoinGrotto]

My whole thing is if this whole thing turns around, isn’t all the credit due to white and anae/beck? Dino has proven he can’t coach worth a lick and that pains me to say it. But you take Dungey out of these last 6 years and Dino is Grob type on the wins. I like the coach but I don’t think he has any idea. Coach White definitely knows. Yes Dino hired these guys, but honestly after knowing these financial figures now, I am kinda shocked.

I’m never that harsh when it comes to Dino but if this ship gets corrected it’s because of White and Anae/beck

Thanks would go to Syracuse coaching legend... :checks notes: ... Bronco Mendenhall?

 

[syrBossHogg]

My whole thing is if this whole thing turns around, isn’t all the credit due to white and anae/beck? Dino has proven he can’t coach worth a lick and that pains me to say it. But you take Dungey out of these last 6 years and Dino is Grob type on the wins. I like the coach but I don’t think he has any idea. Coach White definitely knows. Yes Dino hired these guys, but honestly after knowing these financial figures now, I am kinda shocked.

I’m never that harsh when it comes to Dino but if this ship gets corrected it’s because of White and Anae/beck

Probably true but even the best coaches need great players and assistants to win.

 

[CousCuse]

WHY NOT NOW COUSCUSE!!???

Well maybe I'm taking it wrong, but it seems like JW is saying that he wasn't fired because of the buyout cost. Why let something out like that which could be interpreted that way right before the season starts? Maybe I read too much into things, nah.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Absolutely. I'm torn on this one. The school absolutely can pay top dollar for a college head coach. the virginia coordinators didn't come cheap either. The school is paying well within the number to run a successful program.

My entire issue is the ROI for Dino has been atrocious since the signing. It's simple win/loss metric. We paid market when he got us to a bowl and has fallen on his face since. If the school can go 5m per for a HC and I assume 2-3mm more assistants we can afford another coach if Dino doesn't turn this ship around.

In a weird way i'm optimistic now more than ever seeing this figure. We are a big boy financially speaking. Speaks well for the next HC of SU basketball too

The school absolutely can pay top dollar for a college head coach


No it cannot and no it will not.

A “top dollar college head coach” now makes over 10M a season. For the HC only.

Syracuse isn’t paying 15-18M per season for football coaches

 

[baggerbob]

5-7 and 5-7 sandwiched around a season that should have been shelved isn’t atrocious. Disappointing, sure. And the team was playing well through the first nine weeks last year. Even with the there game skid they finished 18th in total defense, 26th in rushing and passing defense, and 17th in rushing offense. The record should have been better, but that is far from atrocious, it’s a good foundation to build on.

If 2 people didn't bail after 4 games and stayed with the team, we probably win at least 1 maybe 2 more games last year.

 

[orangepassion]

We need continuity - if you're experienced players are learning something new every year, how experienced are they?

Is this a trick question?

 

[rrlbees]

My whole thing is if this whole thing turns around, isn’t all the credit due to white and anae/beck? Dino has proven he can’t coach worth a lick and that pains me to say it. But you take Dungey out of these last 6 years and Dino is Grob type on the wins. I like the coach but I don’t think he has any idea. Coach White definitely knows. Yes Dino hired these guys, but honestly after knowing these financial figures now, I am kinda shocked.

I’m never that harsh when it comes to Dino but if this ship gets corrected it’s because of White and Anae/beck

Waaay over the top.

 

[Faegan]

Is this a trick question?

I was aiming for a rhetorical question meant to be a statement of the obvious?

 

[money3189]

My whole thing is if this whole thing turns around, isn’t all the credit due to white and anae/beck? Dino has proven he can’t coach worth a lick and that pains me to say it. But you take Dungey out of these last 6 years and Dino is Grob type on the wins. I like the coach but I don’t think he has any idea. Coach White definitely knows. Yes Dino hired these guys, but honestly after knowing these financial figures now, I am kinda shocked.

I’m never that harsh when it comes to Dino but if this ship gets corrected it’s because of White and Anae/beck

Think about what you are saying here. If you give the credit to Anae and Beck. You are basically saying you don’t blame Dino for the losing seasons because he had Gilbert, Lynch and Lewis.

 

[elimunelson]

The school absolutely can pay top dollar for a college head coach


No it cannot and no it will not.

A “top dollar college head coach” now makes over 10M a season. For the HC only.

Syracuse isn’t paying 15-18M per season for football coaches

I think 10mm is a number at like 10 schools max. We are paying what our peer schools pay. Dino proved it because he wasn’t going to a Arizona st like school as an upward move.

If Bama came calling he would leave because we will never compete w them financially

 

[kcsu]

Think about what you are saying here. If you give the credit to Anae and Beck. You are basically saying you don’t blame Dino for the losing seasons because he had Gilbert, Lynch and Lewis.

Dino has done a good job of building a solid culture. He is liked and respected by the players, assistant coaches, and administration. The press likes Dino. Thats the positive.
As to actual game planning and in game coaching he isnt very good as his record shows. He has made some terrible coaching hires but recently struck gold with White and the OL coach. Obviously the VA guys are solid.
If he doesn't win with his current staff he never will.
Im betting that he allows the coordinators to run the show and that we are at the cusp of some solid seasons.

 

[zjscuse]

Dino has done a good job of building a solid culture. He is liked and respected by the players, assistant coaches, and administration. The press likes Dino. Thats the positive.
As to actual game planning and in game coaching he isnt very good as his record shows. He has made some terrible coaching hires but recently struck gold with White and the OL coach. Obviously the VA guys are solid.
If he doesn't win with his current staff he never will.
Im betting that he allows the coordinators to run the show and that we are at the cusp of some solid seasons.

This^^^^ I wanted to tear my eyeballs out at the clemson game so many games we lost last year from just stupid in game decisions. If we’d had a competent o-line the last few years our conversations on this team would be much different.

 

[kcsu]

This^^^^ I wanted to tear my eyeballs out at the clemson game so many games we lost last year from just stupid in game decisions. If we’d had a competent o-line the last few years our conversations on this team would be much different.

Dino seems to freeze up when faced with certain in game decisions. It leads to wasted Time outs and or rushed plays that get botched.
Last year was really bad. Hopefully he turns these duties over to his OC and DC.

 

[money3189]

Dino has done a good job of building a solid culture. He is liked and respected by the players, assistant coaches, and administration. The press likes Dino. Thats the positive.
As to actual game planning and in game coaching he isnt very good as his record shows. He has made some terrible coaching hires but recently struck gold with White and the OL coach. Obviously the VA guys are solid.
If he doesn't win with his current staff he never will.
Im betting that he allows the coordinators to run the show and that we are at the cusp of some solid seasons.

Agree but that’s not what my response was about

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Waaay over the top.

Exactly, pump the brakes

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Dino has done a good job of building a solid culture. He is liked and respected by the players, assistant coaches, and administration. The press likes Dino. Thats the positive.
As to actual game planning and in game coaching he isnt very good as his record shows. He has made some terrible coaching hires but recently struck gold with White and the OL coach. Obviously the VA guys are solid.
If he doesn't win with his current staff he never will.
Im betting that he allows the coordinators to run the show and that we are at the cusp of some solid seasons.

Very fair. I think Dino is a better coach than most and understand those that don't but I think we have and are still falling short of building depth on the roster in certain areas and it has reared it's ugly head at the end of the season. I also believe that winning consistently at Syracuse is much more difficult than most as well and has only gotten more difficult as the years have gone by

We hired an innovator on defense and that has helped but we have also recruited well on that side of the ball for the most part obviously everyone is concerned about the D line. Here is hoping that he has found his staff for the offensive side of the ball.

 

[TheCusian]

My whole thing is if this whole thing turns around, isn’t all the credit due to white and anae/beck? Dino has proven he can’t coach worth a lick and that pains me to say it. But you take Dungey out of these last 6 years and Dino is Grob type on the wins. I like the coach but I don’t think he has any idea. Coach White definitely knows. Yes Dino hired these guys, but honestly after knowing these financial figures now, I am kinda shocked.

I’m never that harsh when it comes to Dino but if this ship gets corrected it’s because of White and Anae/beck

No. Lol.

1. The only HC to win 10 games in the last 25 years can coach "a lick"
2. If you think the only reason for success is Eric Dungey, Anae/Beck/White - while discounting Dino completely - I don't know what your motivations are. But it ain't good.
3. If this ship gets righted it will be due to all of those things (AD, players, HC, assistants, ACC level hiring of support staff, etc, etc) rowing in the same direction
4. "I'm never that harsh, but" is not that sly. Just say you hate the guy

 

[kcsu]

I don't think that anyone hates the guy. Actually, I think all of us really like the guy. He is a solid leader and by all accounts a very good person. As a coach he has been less than solid. Hopefully now that he has everything, he needs to be successful he will be.

 

[Bulldog04]

No. Lol.

1. The only HC to win 10 games in the last 25 years can coach "a lick"
2. If you think the only reason for success is Eric Dungey, Anae/Beck/White - while discounting Dino completely - I don't know what your motivations are. But it ain't good.
3. If this ship gets righted it will be due to all of those things (AD, players, HC, assistants, ACC level hiring of support staff, etc, etc) rowing in the same direction
4. "I'm never that harsh, but" is not that sly. Just say you hate the guy

Ok so I MAY have had some Pinot with my chicken parm last night. I actually really like Dino the guy. Just want the team to win especially from what he promised as a vision early on

 

[upperdeck]

really hard to know about some of the Timeouts people question though.. It may be less on what they want to do and more on hoping to get certain players in the right spots at key points of the game. I never get the sense all the players really always know what to do..

 

[Stern]

In 2022 with the College Football landscape what it is, if Syracuse can't afford to fire a coach with $10 million left on his contract then what are we doing? We are just spinning our wheels in the mud.

$10 mill to fire someone these days isn't that much. I know I know, Syracuse, small private school in the northeast, we have limitations other schools don't. But come on, at the end of the day if we have another bad season and just can't afford to fire this guy then we really need to evaluate things going forward. And we are sending a message to every recruit, assistant coach, future head coaching candidate, and football program out there that Syracuse isn't serious about it's football program if we are so hand-tied that we can't fire this guy.

And if its because Wildhack gave him a bad deal (from the Syracuse perspective) that put us in this situation, then he needs to go to!

 

[whobut03]

Here's a thought... what if we let the season play out and see if we need to be even worried about this buyout discussion... For god's sake fall camp just started and we're talking about a buyout and if Dino can coach...

((He'll be here in 2023 BTW))

 

[All4SU]

Were hemorrhaging what left of the fanbase

I’m not sure if that’s true. Over the last 20 years, we’ve been reduced to die-hards and tire-kickers anyway. The last few years hasn’t altered that. And I sense some enthusiasm from the die-hards this year.