Dino's Salary Info (from Pete Thamel)

[All4SU]

Not sure why the buyout would be more than the salary. Someone would have to explain this to me. It's a huge number per prior SU football deals.

I’m guessing when HCDB was negotiating his new contract 2018 he wanted more than SU was willing to pay. So he compromised and got them to up the buyout to a big number.

 

[orangecuse]

My whole thing is if this whole thing turns around, isn’t all the credit due to white and anae/beck? Dino has proven he can’t coach worth a lick and that pains me to say it. But you take Dungey out of these last 6 years and Dino is Grob type on the wins. I like the coach but I don’t think he has any idea. Coach White definitely knows. Yes Dino hired these guys, but honestly after knowing these financial figures now, I am kinda shocked.

I’m never that harsh when it comes to Dino but if this ship gets corrected it’s because of White and Anae/beck

I am one of those bearish folks in regards to Dino, and have been for sometime now. IMO, he is an imposter of a head football coach at the P5 level.

And, for those clamoring around the 5-7 seasons as a close but no cigar type sentiment, I say good grief, they came against OOC patsies for the most part. Look at his ACC record, 15-35! That clearly speaks for itself. Additionally, it's not as if the ACC is some gauntlet of SEC football type schools, many of them are mediocre, sans Clemson, especially when comparing the ACC records against OOC P5 type schools.

Perhaps, SU is a difficult place to win as some have opined in this thread as well as in the past. However, P won, and Marrone took this team out of the frigging abyss after that GRob debacle. One could argue that the reason SU struggles to win here is because of simply bad hires. GRob was bad, Shafer was bad, and Dino, (5 out of 6 losing seasons) is bad too. However, those bad hires in all probablility take a back seat to the lack of commitment from the university's past stewards.

Yeah, we are spending now, but the damage has been done to this program, and now (P5 & current landscape) such a tough hill to climb. Even stemming back to the Maloney days, it took the legitimate threat of being kicked out of D1 if the university didn't make a commitment and get a new stadium built. Coach Mac was able to get us back, but it's a different/more difficult environment and landscape nowadays.

P's fade towards the end of his tenure here had a lot to do with the university's lack of commitment into its infrastructure, facilities, etc. Complete gross negligence IMO. When Marrone was here, he begged and pleaded for improvements, especially the IPF. However, he was told in so many words...yeah someday or along those lines. Failed commitment from the stewards and powers that be. Actually, considering same, Marrone's accomplishments here were quite impressive considering what he was dealing with.

Meanwhile, Dino has been provided with more commitment, resources, etc. than the university has ever provided any head coach. And, he is 15-35 in the ACC. He is who he is, and his record proves it...just as Parcels would say.

 

[kcsu]

I am one of those bearish folks in regards to Dino, and have been for sometime now. IMO, he is an imposter of a head football coach at the P5 level.

And, for those clamoring around the 5-7 seasons as a close but no cigar type sentiment, I say good grief, they came against OOC patsies for the most part. Look at his ACC record, 15-35! That clearly speaks for itself. Additionally, it's not as if the ACC is some gauntlet of SEC football type schools, many of them are mediocre, sans Clemson, especially when comparing the ACC records against OOC P5 type schools.

Perhaps, SU is a difficult place to win as some have opined in this thread as well as in the past. However, P won, and Marrone took this team out of the frigging abyss after that GRob debacle. One could argue that the reason SU struggles to win here is because of simply bad hires. GRob was bad, Shafer was bad, and Dino, (5 out of 6 losing seasons) is bad too. However, those bad hires in all probablility take a back seat to the lack of commitment from the university's past stewards.

Yeah, we are spending now, but the damage has been done to this program, and now (P5 & current landscape) such a tough hill to climb. Even stemming back to the Maloney days, it took the legitimate threat of being kicked out of D1 if the university didn't make a commitment and get a new stadium built. Coach Mac was able to get us back, but it's a different/more difficult environment and landscape nowadays.

P's fade towards the end of his tenure here had a lot to do with the universities lack of commitment into its infrastructure, facilities, etc. Complete gross negligence IMO. When Marrone was here, he begged and pleaded for improvements, especially the IPF. However, he was told in so many words...yeah someday or along those lines. Failed commitment from the stewards and powers that be. Actually, considering same, Marrone's accomplishments here were quite impressive considering what he was dealing with.

SUs leadership was horrible. today we finally have a solid group and i believe it will pay off

 

[JRHEETER]

I am one of those bearish folks in regards to Dino, and have been for sometime now. IMO, he is an imposter of a head football coach at the P5 level.

And, for those clamoring around the 5-7 seasons as a close but no cigar type sentiment, I say good grief, they came against OOC patsies for the most part. Look at his ACC record, 15-35! That clearly speaks for itself. Additionally, it's not as if the ACC is some gauntlet of SEC football type schools, many of them are mediocre, sans Clemson, especially when comparing the ACC records against OOC P5 type schools.

Perhaps, SU is a difficult place to win as some have opined in this thread as well as in the past. However, P won, and Marrone took this team out of the frigging abyss after that GRob debacle. One could argue that the reason SU struggles to win here is because of simply bad hires. GRob was bad, Shafer was bad, and Dino, (5 out of 6 losing seasons) is bad too. However, those bad hires in all probablility take a back seat to the lack of commitment from the university's past stewards.

Yeah, we are spending now, but the damage has been done to this program, and now (P5 & current landscape) such a tough hill to climb. Even stemming back to the Maloney days, it took the legitimate threat of being kicked out of D1 if the university didn't make a commitment and get a new stadium built. Coach Mac was able to get us back, but it's a different/more difficult environment and landscape nowadays.

P's fade towards the end of his tenure here had a lot to do with the universities lack of commitment into its infrastructure, facilities, etc. Complete gross negligence IMO. When Marrone was here, he begged and pleaded for improvements, especially the IPF. However, he was told in so many words...yeah someday or along those lines. Failed commitment from the stewards and powers that be. Actually, considering same, Marrone's accomplishments here were quite impressive considering what he was dealing with.

Nailed it


Very sick of the excuses….

Dino needs to get to a bowl game this year.

Sucks that his schedule is tough but he had it on a golden platter last season and we came out of the BYE week, read that again the BYE WEEK and looked flat the rest of the season.

That’s on the HC. Sorry y’all

 

[Cuse181]

You would have to extrapolate from this info being floated that the expectations for this season are diminishing as it will take time for the amount of reps to be reached to make the offense functional.

It should be pretty easy to line up in I formation and give it to tuck every time. No need to get fancy, shorten the games best you can and hope their line gets tired!

 

[Bayside44]

In 2022 with the College Football landscape what it is, if Syracuse can't afford to fire a coach with $10 million left on his contract then what are we doing? We are just spinning our wheels in the mud.

$10 mill to fire someone these days isn't that much. I know I know, Syracuse, small private school in the northeast, we have limitations other schools don't. But come on, at the end of the day if we have another bad season and just can't afford to fire this guy then we really need to evaluate things going forward. And we are sending a message to every recruit, assistant coach, future head coaching candidate, and football program out there that Syracuse isn't serious about it's football program if we are so hand-tied that we can't fire this guy.

And if its because Wildhack gave him a bad deal (from the Syracuse perspective) that put us in this situation, then he needs to go to!

10 million dollars is 15% of what SU is trying to raise for the Lally Center.

Guess what bucket rightly takes priority.

 

[baggerbob]

Agree but that’s not what my response was about

Dino seems to be able to be a good administrator, but in game situations tends to freeze up in critical situations.
His thoughts on going for 2 against Wake, but not letting his QB know ahead of time.
Other wasted timeouts, because unable to get plays in. How much of the play calling that Shrader, and Tucker complained about was Dino's fault?
Anae and Beck played for Mendenhall who let them handle the game calling.
Dino needs to do the same, let them handle the offense like White handles the defense.
A good head coach interacts with his coaches to make a game plan all week, then let's them execute it on game day.

 

[TheCusian]

In 2022 with the College Football landscape what it is, if Syracuse can't afford to fire a coach with $10 million left on his contract then what are we doing? We are just spinning our wheels in the mud.

$10 mill to fire someone these days isn't that much. I know I know, Syracuse, small private school in the northeast, we have limitations other schools don't. But come on, at the end of the day if we have another bad season and just can't afford to fire this guy then we really need to evaluate things going forward. And we are sending a message to every recruit, assistant coach, future head coaching candidate, and football program out there that Syracuse isn't serious about it's football program if we are so hand-tied that we can't fire this guy.

And if its because Wildhack gave him a bad deal (from the Syracuse perspective) that put us in this situation, then he needs to go to!

Yeah, no. It’s a combo of believing in the coach enough + buyout + laid back fan base. We’re not the SEC and that’s good in some ways. Patience might pay off this season too.

I’m looking fwd to this vs a rebuild with whatever is next

 

[SuFTW]

In 2022 with the College Football landscape what it is, if Syracuse can't afford to fire a coach with $10 million left on his contract then what are we doing? We are just spinning our wheels in the mud.

$10 mill to fire someone these days isn't that much. I know I know, Syracuse, small private school in the northeast, we have limitations other schools don't. But come on, at the end of the day if we have another bad season and just can't afford to fire this guy then we really need to evaluate things going forward. And we are sending a message to every recruit, assistant coach, future head coaching candidate, and football program out there that Syracuse isn't serious about it's football program if we are so hand-tied that we can't fire this guy.

And if its because Wildhack gave him a bad deal (from the Syracuse perspective) that put us in this situation, then he needs to go to!

Haven’t heard a fire Wildhack rant in a while. Thanks?

 

[TheCusian]

I am one of those bearish folks in regards to Dino, and have been for sometime now. IMO, he is an imposter of a head football coach at the P5 level.

And, for those clamoring around the 5-7 seasons as a close but no cigar type sentiment, I say good grief, they came against OOC patsies for the most part. Look at his ACC record, 15-35! That clearly speaks for itself. Additionally, it's not as if the ACC is some gauntlet of SEC football type schools, many of them are mediocre, sans Clemson, especially when comparing the ACC records against OOC P5 type schools.

Perhaps, SU is a difficult place to win as some have opined in this thread as well as in the past. However, P won, and Marrone took this team out of the frigging abyss after that GRob debacle. One could argue that the reason SU struggles to win here is because of simply bad hires. GRob was bad, Shafer was bad, and Dino, (5 out of 6 losing seasons) is bad too. However, those bad hires in all probablility take a back seat to the lack of commitment from the university's past stewards.

Yeah, we are spending now, but the damage has been done to this program, and now (P5 & current landscape) such a tough hill to climb. Even stemming back to the Maloney days, it took the legitimate threat of being kicked out of D1 if the university didn't make a commitment and get a new stadium built. Coach Mac was able to get us back, but it's a different/more difficult environment and landscape nowadays.

P's fade towards the end of his tenure here had a lot to do with the universities lack of commitment into its infrastructure, facilities, etc. Complete gross negligence IMO. When Marrone was here, he begged and pleaded for improvements, especially the IPF. However, he was told in so many words...yeah someday or along those lines. Failed commitment from the stewards and powers that be. Actually, considering same, Marrone's accomplishments here were quite impressive considering what he was dealing with.

Meanwhile, Dino has been provided with more commitment, resources, etc. than the university has ever provided any head coach. And, he is 15-35 in the ACC. He is who he is, and his record proves it...just as Parcels would say.

A lot of words and not a mention of the hill Syracuse football needs to climb to just be .500 in the ACC. It’s real - and a lot of work - has been done to put whomever the coach is, in a better spot than when Wildhack started (which you mention, but don’t attribute as a growing resource - Wildhack started after Dino.)

He may or may not get us to where we want to go. But the reason we haven’t cut bait is a mix of really fortunate timing for a Re-up and enough belief that it could be done.

 

[TheCusian]

Nailed it


Very sick of the excuses….

Dino needs to get to a bowl game this year.

Sucks that his schedule is tough but he had it on a golden platter last season and we came out of the BYE week, read that again the BYE WEEK and looked flat the rest of the season.

That’s on the HC. Sorry y’all

Excuses = reasons

Some reasons go in the “HC fault” bucket and some go in the not HC bucket. We’re bad a deciphering the difference so we call them all excuses to make it more simple to be mad about

 

[Stern]

Yeah, no. It’s a combo of believing in the coach enough + buyout + laid back fan base. We’re not the SEC and that’s good in some ways. Patience might pay off this season too.

I’m looking fwd to this vs a rebuild with whatever is next

We don't need to be the SEC. But we aren't P5 level in any way if these are the economic handcuffs we are under in regards to firing a coach who has underperformed year after year.

I know I am whistling through the graveyard on this, just my opinion. Nobody else has to agree! lol

 

[money3189]

Dino seems to be able to be a good administrator, but in game situations tends to freeze up in critical situations.
His thoughts on going for 2 against Wake, but not letting his QB know ahead of time.
Other wasted timeouts, because unable to get plays in. How much of the play calling that Shrader, and Tucker complained about was Dino's fault?
Anae and Beck played for Mendenhall who let them handle the game calling.
Dino needs to do the same, let them handle the offense like White handles the defense.
A good head coach interacts with his coaches to make a game plan all week, then let's them execute it on game day.

Are you trying to understand what I wrote? I’m not vouching for Dino’s mistakes. Lol.

 

[dasher]

I am one of those bearish folks in regards to Dino, and have been for sometime now. IMO, he is an imposter of a head football coach at the P5 level.

And, for those clamoring around the 5-7 seasons as a close but no cigar type sentiment, I say good grief, they came against OOC patsies for the most part. Look at his ACC record, 15-35! That clearly speaks for itself. Additionally, it's not as if the ACC is some gauntlet of SEC football type schools, many of them are mediocre, sans Clemson, especially when comparing the ACC records against OOC P5 type schools.

Perhaps, SU is a difficult place to win as some have opined in this thread as well as in the past. However, P won, and Marrone took this team out of the frigging abyss after that GRob debacle. One could argue that the reason SU struggles to win here is because of simply bad hires. GRob was bad, Shafer was bad, and Dino, (5 out of 6 losing seasons) is bad too. However, those bad hires in all probablility take a back seat to the lack of commitment from the university's past stewards.

Yeah, we are spending now, but the damage has been done to this program, and now (P5 & current landscape) such a tough hill to climb. Even stemming back to the Maloney days, it took the legitimate threat of being kicked out of D1 if the university didn't make a commitment and get a new stadium built. Coach Mac was able to get us back, but it's a different/more difficult environment and landscape nowadays.

P's fade towards the end of his tenure here had a lot to do with the university's lack of commitment into its infrastructure, facilities, etc. Complete gross negligence IMO. When Marrone was here, he begged and pleaded for improvements, especially the IPF. However, he was told in so many words...yeah someday or along those lines. Failed commitment from the stewards and powers that be. Actually, considering same, Marrone's accomplishments here were quite impressive considering what he was dealing with.

Meanwhile, Dino has been provided with more commitment, resources, etc. than the university has ever provided any head coach. And, he is 15-35 in the ACC. He is who he is, and his record proves it...just as Parcels would say.

It's funny how we look back on some coaches and forget that Coach Mac, with a much easier schedule, was pretty pathetic for his first 6 years. At the time, there was the sac mac group. And Coach Marrone, go back to midway through his last year. We finished strong, yes, but the vultures were circling midway through his last year. I am not going to defend Babers. I think he is just about the worst game manager I have seen. But he does have other areas where I think he is good. I am hopeful that he lets these new O coaches coach. I hope that he gets some help with his clock management (doubtful on that). It appears to me that we have some strong units. Hopefully that gets us at least 6 wins and it is the start of something. If not, there will be a change at some point. Sooner rather than later.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Waaay over the top.

harsh, yes.

waay over the top...no way.

1 bowl game and 1 cool viral post game speech doesnt cut it.

thats each years expectations, not per half a decade.

 

[All4SU]

It's funny how we look back on some coaches and forget that Coach Mac, with a much easier schedule, was pretty pathetic for his first 6 years. At the time, there was the sac mac group. And Coach Marrone, go back to midway through his last year. We finished strong, yes, but the vultures were circling midway through his last year. I am not going to defend Babers. I think he is just about the worst game manager I have seen. But he does have other areas where I think he is good. I am hopeful that he lets these new O coaches coach. I hope that he gets some help with his clock management (doubtful on that). It appears to me that we have some strong units. Hopefully that gets us at least 6 wins and it is the start of something. If not, there will be a change at some point. Sooner rather than later.

To your first point, agree Mac took time to get traction. Despite the ‘86 problems, you could see in ‘85 that the talent was different, better, and the start of some depth at all positions.

To your second point - and sticking to the Coach Mac comparison - Mac seemed to have an innate ability to know when to “go for it”; when to run that trick play, when to get cute, and when to hold back. When to make that momentum changing call. I like Babers, and I think he will be very good here before we are all done, but I often feel like his guesses in this area backfire on him. I hope Annae can help there. I think White has been very good in this area.

 

[kcsu]

Dino is not a quick thinker in clutch game situations. He likes to ponder everything and that doesnt work. Good coaches anticipate situations and are a step ahead. He is more reactionary. I just hope that as someone else posted that he is involved during the week but on game day lets his OC and
DC run the show.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

Dino is not a quick thinker in clutch game situations. He likes to ponder everything and that doesnt work. Good coaches anticipate situations and are a step ahead. He is more reactionary. I just hope that as someone else posted that he is involved during the week but on game day lets his OC and
DC run the show.

I forget where I read it but I believe it was mentioned that Beck handled all the clock issues at UVA. Hopefully Dino let’s him do that here..

 

[KaiserUEO]

It's funny how we look back on some coaches and forget that Coach Mac, with a much easier schedule, was pretty pathetic for his first 6 years. At the time, there was the sac mac group. And Coach Marrone, go back to midway through his last year. We finished strong, yes, but the vultures were circling midway through his last year. I am not going to defend Babers. I think he is just about the worst game manager I have seen. But he does have other areas where I think he is good. I am hopeful that he lets these new O coaches coach. I hope that he gets some help with his clock management (doubtful on that). It appears to me that we have some strong units. Hopefully that gets us at least 6 wins and it is the start of something. If not, there will be a change at some point. Sooner rather than later.

that was 37+ years ago, John Titor.

in '85 were we discussing the plight of the 1948 team??

 

[djorange1989]

I don't think that anyone hates the guy. Actually, I think all of us really like the guy. He is a solid leader and by all accounts a very good person. As a coach he has been less than solid. Hopefully now that he has everything, he needs to be successful he will be.

incredibly rational post. don't ever do that again, dammit, this is an irrational fan site

 

[orangepassion]

harsh, yes.

waay over the top...no way.

1 bowl game and 1 cool viral post game speech doesnt cut it.

thats each years expectations, not per half a decade.

For the record, there were 2 cool viral post game speeches. Continue as you were.

 

[dasher]

that was 37+ years ago, John Titor.

in '85 were we discussing the plight of the 1948 team??

Has your house and phone been raided yet?

 

[dasher]

Dino is not a quick thinker in clutch game situations. He likes to ponder everything and that doesnt work. Good coaches anticipate situations and are a step ahead. He is more reactionary. I just hope that as someone else posted that he is involved during the week but on game day lets his OC and
DC run the show.

agree 100%

 

[KaiserUEO]

Has your house and phone been raided yet?

no.

i only have 2 doors.

i labeled 1 MEN and the other WOMEN.

my lawn is getting trampled, while your cronies try to figure out what to do...

 

[dasher]

no.

i only have 2 doors.

i labeled 1 MEN and the other WOMEN.

my lawn is getting trampled, while your cronies try to figure out what to do...

Why the door for woman? No woman has stepped in to your house since the first Obama term.