Dion Leaving Talk

[jdubs30]

What the hell they play 80 minute games man I have been missing a lot of basketball then

Um, no. There is "40 minutes per position per game", you know how you see in boxscores the 200 minute total? There is 40 minutes to be played at PG and 40 minutes to be played at SG; 80 total.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I've been one of the few saying that Dion is gone after this season. I think we're going to have a deep run and Dion will be one of the names associated with it, and that will propel him into the NBA, especially when he has to face the fact that his time with Scoop is over.

Two other things:
1. The new CBA does have some provisions about players outperforming their rookie contracts.
2. As for an NBA comp, I think Dion will be a bigger Kyle Lowery with a slightly better perimeter game.

 

[jdubs30]

and you didn't even mention next year's senior co-captain, a Boeheim favorite who has started every game of his career - Brandon Triche.

Knew I was forgetting someone haha.

That makes it even less likely then.

80 minutes among 4 players. You gotta figure BT will get 25-30 minutes a game. If he gets 30, that leaves 25 for Dion, 17 for MCW and 8 for Cooney.

 

[CorduroyG]

Dion will not average only 25 minutes a game next year, come on. He's gonna be their best player. Cooney and mcw will not get in the way of dion playing big time minutes, you cant keep a talent like dion as a role player his entire career.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Dion is having a terrific start to the season, but the talk of him being a first round pick is premature. First, he is undersized for an NBA 2 and he really hasn't shown point guard skills; he is at best a combo guard.

He has become an electric off-the-bench scorer for the Orange, but his skill set does not scream NBA. His 3 pt percentage is middling at the NCAA range, and his shot mechanics are poor; doesn't bode well for deep shooting success at the deeper range and better defenders he'll face at the next level. Also, although he is the best among the current Orange guards, he doesn't draw a lot of fouls. The three point line and the free throw line are the most efficient ways to score in the NBA, but they are possibly the weakest parts of Dion's game.

On the defensive end, he is an unknown commodity. His ability to recognize the passing and driving lanes in the zone and utilize them for steals and breakouts doesn't translate to the pros, where almost every team will play exclusively man to man defense. Syracuse players have a terrible reputation for defense at the next level. Even Jonny Flynn, who made a big deal about his pride in defense and for two years begged JB to play more man to maximize his skills, is considered one of the five worst defenders in the NBA. he's a combo guard and wont fare well at the next level, sometimes college performance isn't enough for the NBA. MCW is 2-3 years could be an NBA first rounder at PG

An aging team like the Lakers in desperate need of athleticism in the backcourt might take Waiters in the 2nd round, but he doesn't look like a first rounder to me, not at this point.

Good post, I don't see Waiters ever being a top 15 draft pick whether he stays for another 2 years. He isn't big enough, doesn't shoot well enough and isn't fast enough. Again, I dont think people are watching a ton of NBA here if you think will be a difference maker or a top 15 draft pick in the NBA, he is a 2nd rounder whenever he comes out, IMO.

I just don't think he has the NBA skill set.

 

[NovaOrange]

Didn't JB just say a few days ago that the people the scouts talked about the most at our practice was Fab and MCW? I mean that makes the whole Dion being a late1st round pick even more likely. Think about it MCW is freaking huge for even a NBA PG when he developes fully and Fab has the rare ability to get better every year over the course of ten years. That's what happens when you only have four years of organized basketball heading into College.

 

[jdubs30]

Didn't JB just say a few days ago that the people the scouts talked about the most at our practice was Fab and MCW? I mean that makes the whole Dion being a late1st round pick even more likely. Think about it MCW is freaking huge for even a NBA PG when he developes fully and Fab has the rare ability to get better every year over the course of ten years. That's what happens when you only have four years of organized basketball heading into College.

Yeah I thought I remembered reading something about JB hinting about both Melo and Dion being gone next year.

 

[HouseOfCuse]

If you're drafted in the first round, there is a huge swing in what a player can make in the Top 10 and at the bottom of the 1st round. If you're the #10 pick, you make $6.2 million over three years.

If you're the #28 overall pick, you make $2.87 million. That's over $3 million over three years, not even accounting the fact that if you're drafted lower in the first round you're going to a team that already made the playoffs and depending on the situation, your role could be diminished.

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Yeah but if you finish that 3 years and play well enough to get a new contract then that 3 million would easily be made up in the 4th when you leave early. Say he leaves early and makes 2.87 million then the 4th year he gets a new contract and makes 5 million per year. That would be 7.87 million levaing early versus 6.2 million if he stayed an extra year in the same time period.

Will that happen? Probably not but that doesn't mean Dion doesn't believe it can happen.

 

[jdubs30]

Dion will not average only 25 minutes a game next year, come on. He's gonna be their best player. Cooney and mcw will not get in the way of dion playing big time minutes, you cant keep a talent like dion as a role player his entire career.

I agree that he will probably be their best player (depending on Fabs development). But JB has too much talent on the bench to let it sit.

When people like Flynn, Melo, Hak, Wes all got major minutes, it was mainly because there wasn't much behind them. And while Dion's ability may foster 30+mpg, with MCW and Cooney both on the bench and Triche starting, it'll be hard to give Dion those minutes. JB goes with the hot hands lately, and I don't see that changing next year.

 

[jdubs30]

Yeah but if you finish that 3 years and play well enough to get a new contract then that 3 million would easily be made up in the 4th when you leave early. Say he leaves early and makes 2.87 million then the 4th year he gets a new contract and makes 5 million per year. That would be 7.87 million levaing early versus 6.2 million if he stayed an extra year in the same time period.

Will that happen? Probably not but that doesn't mean Dion doesn't believe it can happen.

What might help us with Dion is Scoop and Rick. And while those 2 didn't have the potential of Dion, I think they will be in his ear. Scoop has matured alot the past few years so hopefully he will pass some knowledge onto Dion.

Unfortunately, Cuse has been not be super successful in producing top flight NBA talent lately. Yeah we had Melo, but he'd be a star no matter what college he went. Flynn and Greene aren't even playing; Wes has been struggling; Warrick is on the trading block. Hopefully he listens to JB's advice.

 

[moqui]

Dion will not average only 25 minutes a game next year, come on. He's gonna be their best player.

I'll bet the other way on that one.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

I think he leaves, and gets drafted end of the first round. If he comes back, he has to be promised the point in an effort to prove his value. If Dion does nothing but workout and shoot jumpers in the off-season, he will be one of the most dominating forces in college.

 

[Czar]

Good post, I don't see Waiters ever being a top 15 draft pick whether he stays for another 2 years. He isn't big enough, doesn't shoot well enough and isn't fast enough. Again, I dont think people are watching a ton of NBA here if you think will be a difference maker or a top 15 draft pick in the NBA, he is a 2nd rounder whenever he comes out, IMO.

I just don't think he has the NBA skill set.

Dude, he's not a second rounder. But he also is not a lottery pick.

 

[SUFan44]

Late first rounder if Syracuse finishes the season well and we reach the Final Four, with Waiters being a main cog in that. He's not a lottery pick, for the simple reason that there have been too many games that have been seen by scouts where he hasn't been a star. Scouts and NBA people are enamored by the unknown and upside. Look at Norris Cole. He played four years at Cleveland State, was a late 1st rounder and is emerging as a player who can make a difference on a championship team.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Dude, he's not a second rounder. But he also is not a lottery pick.

Care to bet on that?

 

[LennX6]

Didn't JB just say a few days ago that the people the scouts talked about the most at our practice was Fab and MCW? I mean that makes the whole Dion being a late1st round pick even more likely. Think about it MCW is freaking huge for even a NBA PG when he developes fully and Fab has the rare ability to get better every year over the course of ten years. That's what happens when you only have four years of organized basketball heading into College.

I agree, everytime I see MCW and Dion in the backcourt I think this is a NC backcourt. They say MCW is 6'5" but look at the pic in the PS with him standing nect to KJo. MCW is taller. Either KJo is not really 6'8" or MCW is bigger than 6'5". MCW almost has a Magic "lankiness" at PG

 

[SkanSU]

I take back everything I said... Fab was a monster last night and if he continues that production against the rest of the schedulehe will be gone ... He looked soooooo good.
Dion's hand obviously hurting last night and yet he played a helluva game ...he continues through the rest of the schedule like that and he will be gone as well.

 

[SUfanNC]

I get what you're saying but I can't see him getting that much PT. Cooney will be ready and we'll have MCW. I think the 80 minutes in the backcourt per game will be about 30 Dion, 30 MCW, 20 Cooney. I also don't think he'll get enough shots to score 20 a game, there's no doubt he has the ability to put up those kind of numbers, but between MCW/Cooney/Dion/Fair/Southerland/Grant/Xmas/Fab/Coleman there's gonna have to be enough shots to go around.

First I think it will depend on how the season goes if Dion and Fab returns. I think this statement is off a bit. I can't see Cooney getting an Avg of 20 min. Dion if he comes back is going to be the man without question. He has so much talent and isn't lacking in confidece at all. I really am happy with his play this year and it really seems that his attitude has changed. If he comes back next year he will be the one playing the most avg min in the back court.

 

[Cusedan25]

Dion has a lot lf NBA qualities to his game, but I think he should stay and fix that jumpshot. With that form, I just don't see it holding up over the course of an NBA season.

See Jonny Flynn as an example. He was a pretty good shooter in college to compliment his driving skills, but it isn't good enough in the NBA. He was a pretty good shooter in college, but is a poor shooter in the NBA.

 

[ForeverOrange]

If this team wasn't as deep and had to depend on Dion to bring it every night, it would be easier to determine if he was NBA material, the sample size that he's been giving us (with a hurt hand) is still very impressive. Him leaving or staying will pretty much be determined in the closer games when we need a basket bad, how he performs. That should tell us a lot.

 

[CiceroSwamp]

Care to bet on that?

I would bet the deed to my house that dion is a first round pick...

 

[armory]

"Diont Leave!" ?

 

[TinyManInside]

Dion is having a terrific start to the season, but the talk of him being a first round pick is premature. First, he is undersized for an NBA 2 and he really hasn't shown point guard skills; he is at best a combo guard.

He has become an electric off-the-bench scorer for the Orange, but his skill set does not scream NBA. His 3 pt percentage is middling at the NCAA range, and his shot mechanics are poor; doesn't bode well for deep shooting success at the deeper range and better defenders he'll face at the next level. Also, although he is the best among the current Orange guards, he doesn't draw a lot of fouls. The three point line and the free throw line are the most efficient ways to score in the NBA, but they are possibly the weakest parts of Dion's game.

On the defensive end, he is an unknown commodity. His ability to recognize the passing and driving lanes in the zone and utilize them for steals and breakouts doesn't translate to the pros, where almost every team will play exclusively man to man defense. Syracuse players have a terrible reputation for defense at the next level. Even Jonny Flynn, who made a big deal about his pride in defense and for two years begged JB to play more man to maximize his skills, is considered one of the five worst defenders in the NBA.

An aging team like the Lakers in desperate need of athleticism in the backcourt might take Waiters in the 2nd round, but he doesn't look like a first rounder to me, not at this point.

+1, this pretty much nails it.

 

[CorduroyG]

Dion is a 1 at the next level

 

[Czar]

Care to bet on that?

Easily, yes. The fact of the matter is, being a combo guard is not a horrible thing anymore with the draft and won't doom you to the 2nd round. Not with the way players like Westbrook, Gordon, Foye, and Mayo have played.