Do the folks that said we would play 8 or 9 feel silly?

[Cusefan0307]

I said at the beginning it would be seven and if Sid is out for an extended period I think it will be 6.

 

[Orangezoo]

If anyone is making predictions after this game you have no business slamming folks who said 8-9 will play.

I'm looking to the next game to get a read on this team. Nothing about this game made sense including why we would play a game two days after a CoVid pause. I am disgusted and embarrassed by what we saw but the good riddance type of posts are far worse than how deep our bench will go posts.

We lost an exhibition to LeMoyne once. We almost lost to a team at that level when it counted. Game 2 will tell us a lot more. Quit throwing stones and no one hop off a cliff. I am not saying don't have your best diving form ready- but not time to jump just yet.

 

[orangefog]

I thought we would have a good 8 man rotation this year. 3 guards, 3 forwards and 2 centers. The second half made me question that. We saw 10 on the floor today. Kadary, Alan, Braswell, Frank and Jesse off the bench. I do think Kadary will see minutes moving forward, but not as many as most of us would prefer. The three forwards will all play, unfortunately that means Marek will likely be the backup center instead of one of the actual centers. So, based on today, I wouldn’t be shocked to see a 7 man rotation.

 

[pearl31]

If anyone is making predictions after this game you have no business slamming folks who said 8-9 will play.

I'm looking to the next game to get a read on this team. Nothing about this game made sense including why we would play a game two days after a CoVid pause. I am disgusted and embarrassed by what we saw but the good riddance type of posts are far worse than how deep our bench will go posts.

We lost an exhibition to LeMoyne once. We almost lost to a team at that level when it counted. Game 2 will tell us a lot more. Quit throwing stones and no one hop off a cliff. I am not saying don't have your best diving form ready- but not time to jump just yet.

yeah.
hard to take much from this game

other than we got us another ambitious-ridiculous-dunk-attempter-who-invariably-misses-said-attempt in AG to join the likes of Triche, Gbinije, Batttle...

 

[CuseFaninVT]

yeah.
hard to take much from this game

other than we got us another ambitious-ridiculous-dunk-attempter-who-invariably-misses-said-attempt in AG to join the likes of Triche, Gbinije, Batttle...

Hey, one of them he got fouled, and one of the other ones he got swatted pretty soundly if I recall.

We do get a lot of those guys, don't we? At least his hit the front of the rim and not the back starting a fast break the other way.

 

[sugrad68]

I don't understand why Kadary did not get off the bench in the 2nd half. If Girard was having even a decent game I would have understood but he was horrible on both ends of the court. Obviously he won't be this bad on offense in most games but his defense was atrocious. He can't stop penetration and can't cover the 3-point line. WiIl be interesting how he plays in the next game.

 

[pearl31]

I don't understand why Kadary did not get off the bench in the 2nd half. If Girard was having even a decent game I would have understood but he was horrible on both ends of the court. Obviously he won't be this bad on offense in most games but his defense was atrocious. He can't stop penetration and can't cover the 3-point line. WiIl be interesting how he plays in the next game.

imo, it was a combo of reasons:
- jb's play to win mode which for him means locking in w his tried/true/veteran lineup
- jb deciding that jgIII needed to learn lesson by playing thru the sh__ game he was having

 

[djcon57]

If anyone is making predictions after this game you have no business slamming folks who said 8-9 will play.

I'm looking to the next game to get a read on this team. Nothing about this game made sense including why we would play a game two days after a CoVid pause. I am disgusted and embarrassed by what we saw but the good riddance type of posts are far worse than how deep our bench will go posts.

We lost an exhibition to LeMoyne once. We almost lost to a team at that level when it counted. Game 2 will tell us a lot more. Quit throwing stones and no one hop off a cliff. I am not saying don't have your best diving form ready- but not time to jump just yet.

I’m not making predictions based on this game. I’m making them from the past how many ever years you want to list. If I am wrong and we play 8 guys consistently, I will say I’m wrong

I expect those to say 8 will play and it doesn’t happen will end up saying the players weren’t good enough to play as per usual

 

[orangefog]

imo, it was a combo of reasons:
- jb's play to win mode which for him means locking in w his tried/true/veteran lineup
- jb deciding that jgIII needed to learn lesson by playing thru the sh__ he was having

I agree with both your points, but what ever happened to sitting a guy for a few minutes to let him reset? I am not one to usually question coaching, but it was brutal for a long stretch and pulling out the win doesn’t justify the decision to stick with a struggling player so long. Take him out for 5 minutes, see what Kadary can do.

 

[im4cuse]

I agree with both your points, but what ever happened to sitting a guy for a few minutes to let him reset? I am not one to usually question coaching, but it was brutal for a long stretch and pulling out the win doesn’t justify the decision to stick with a struggling player so long. Take him out for 5 minutes, see what Kadary can do.

It was his birthday after all

 

[orangefog]

It was his birthday after all

Looked like he’s ready for his AARP card.

 

[Scooch]

JB will play 6 in conference play this year. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[MikeSU02]

JG and Buddy are terrible on defense, consistently.

Neither of those guys should be playing the mins they do.

JG had an absolutely horrific game today and JB stuck with him while he did everything in his power to make us lose.

There is no evidence JB is going to relent on his limited rotation.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Would have liked to see Braswell get some minutes in the 2nd half

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I mean I was joking preseason that Boeheim's last innovation will be to have 5 guys average 40 mpg each.
Today is basically the worst thing that could have happened, with respect to hoping to see an actual rotation.

That game unfolded in the worst ways to play on JB's fears and put him in his short term comfort zone that hurts us long term.

I maintain that with a healthy Sidibe, we should be able to play 8 with a bench of Edwards/whoever doesn't start at forward between Griffin and Guerrier/Kadary.

But yeah, 1 game in, I'm not optimistic.

Credit to JB for not totally panicking though in the first half and getting Earl and Frankie a few minutes.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Later in the season: Act 7, Scene 3-
"Yeah, but...
(1) "Kadary is not all that good- I mean just look at his productivity in game 3, game 8, game 12, and game 17, He came in for 5 mins , missed 3 shots & had 2 turnovers. I mean, you HAD to sit him, amirite?
(2) " JG has more experience. You have to let him "play through it". Besides, he makes "big" shots when it counts.
(3) Buddy had 21 pts. So what if he gave up 22, he still needs to be out there to "stretch" the floor.
(4) Braswell, well Braswell is rusty. He missed 3 shots!!! How are you supposed to give him any time when QG and AG need to learn to play together?
(5) Frank is a freshman, and the other guy, whatshisname, Edwards? Well, he's just not ready. We have no choice, even if it’s 3 years in a row...to play Marek at the 5. Who could've known Sidibe would twist an ankle"?

Aaaannnnd...scene!

Did I miss anything?

 

[djcon57]

Later in the season: Act 7, Scene 3-
"Yeah, but...
(1) "Kadary is not all that good- I mean just look at his productivity in game 3, game 8, game 12, and game 17, He came in for 5 mins , missed 3 shots & had 2 turnovers. I mean, you HAD to sit him, amirite?
(2) " JG has more experience. You have to let him "play through it". Besides, he makes "big" shots when it counts.
(3) Buddy had 21 pts. So what if he gave up 22, he still needs to be out there to "stretch" the floor.
(4) Braswell, well Braswell is rusty. He missed 3 shots!!! How are you supposed to give him any time when QG and AG need to learn to play together?
(5) Frank is a freshman, and the other guy...he's just not ready. We have no choice. even in year 3...to play Marek at the 5. Who could've known Sidibe would twist an ankle"?

Aaaannnnd...scene!

Did I miss anything?

Number 2 is always my favorite. JG gets to play through it. Others? Not so much.

 

[Delmar]

Throw this game out. It means nothing. Just be glad we won.

All the same, JB has always had a small bench.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I understand playing the players you think will be best at helping win the game. The problem is when your team is not overly great, you're going to be in a lot of close games or games where you are behind. So, by definition the rotation won't have as many opportunities for expansion as it would if we had a team that could comfortably build some leads, consistently. We will see what happens game 2. 1-0 is much better than 0-1, which it looked like it would be for most of the game.

 

[Eagles20]

Definitely thought Joe needed to sit in the second half. Was totally off his game. I do think Bryant playing zone played a factor with keeping shooting in the game.

 

[Ceerqqq]

It’s not about the players (Or alleged lack of players) on the bench.

it’s the same shtick every year for like 15 years now.

It's hilarious that you think this game provided supporting 'evidence' for your claim.

If there's anything we know about Jim Boeheim's coaching habits, its that early in the season--especially in the 1st game of the season--he always goes with his most experienced players if the game is at all close enough to lose. Why? Cuz he's seen too many close games lost by an inexperienced player making a mistake at the wrong time.

That reason is, indeed, why Kadary played so little, cuz the game was in doubt til the end and he had already picked up 3 fouls. Jim gave him a chance early on, when there was still plenty of time, but by half time it was clear that if they won, it would go down to the wire, and he's always gonna stick with his most experienced players. And unless you've been trapped in a closet somewhere, you'll know that Jim's very high on Kadary and wants to see him develop to where he plays a big role in the team's success.

Same deal with our back up centers. In a close game like this, they were lucky to see the floor at all. In his post-game interview, Boeheim revealed his desire to give Braswell more time in the game, so it's not like he doesn't believe the back up guys can't play themselves into the regular rotation.

So you're defending a claim you're making re: what the rotation will look like based on this first 'unique circumstances' game. That could only be considered a reasonable assessment if we could count on all the rest of the games we play being close, the entire 40 minutes. If this years team has only close games from here on out, then your prediction is likely to be true.

It's also fair to point out that team defense was the one part of this team's performance that logically suffered more than any other from the 12-day practice ban. Sidibe going down early was also a huge blow to the effectiveness of team defense overall.

There are way too many countervailing factors that you're ignoring in making your claim; it really is amazing you jumped on this non-opportunity to push what I think is a very flawed understanding of what determines Boeheim's rotation...

 

[MikeSU02]

Number 2 is always my favorite. JG gets to play through it. Others? Not so much.

This is my biggest gripe as well. There is no consistency with who gets to play through games like this.

JG "made shots when it counted" is hilarious since it's his ineptitude that put us there in the first place.

Can you imagine a coach recruiting against us for a guard? "Hey, did you see the game on Friday? Joe Girard has two more years after this and Boeheim, who will be 77 years old when you enroll, wouldn't let Kadary get any burn in the second half while Joe couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. The other guard is his kid."

 

[hoopsupstate]

The issue yesterday was the fact they missed 14 days of practice and JB didn’t think Kadary was ready. I doubt it’s nothing more than that. He hates losing and had more confidence in the players on the floor. Braswell had a chance but missed all three of his shots. If he makes a couple I bet he stays in. Frank looked like a deer in headlights. I couldn’t figure out why Edwards didn’t get a shot. Girard was awful, but his two threes were huge. Before everyone goes off the deep end let’s see how the next couple of games play out. Remember last year, Girard went from some playing time to never coming off the floor.

 

[Alsacs]

This is my biggest gripe as well. There is no consistency with who gets to play through games like this.

JG "made shots when it counted" is hilarious since it's his ineptitude that put us there in the first place.

Can you imagine a coach recruiting against us for a guard? "Hey, did you see the game on Friday? Joe Girard has two more years after this and Boeheim, who will be 77 years old when you enroll, wouldn't let Kadary get any burn in the second half while Joe couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. The other guard is his kid."

Thanks to the NCAA Girard has 3 more years potentially and Buddy has 2 more years.

What quality guard is going to willingly come here till atleast Buddy is a senior.

Our fanbase doesn’t get the frustration.

These guys are pieces not superstars.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

These guys are pieces not superstars.

Exactly. Love having these two guys, but they have their strengths and weaknesses that I won't rehash from dozens of other threads. For now, I'm being optimistic and believing that the promise shown by Kadary will help JB figure this out. Taking anything from this game is a bit silly; JB was going to go full ironman-JB with the subbing if they were down or in a tight game in the second half. The first half was played like an exhibition in terms of substitutions and use of the press.