Do we as a school benefit more from an SU victory or an FSU National Title?

[Libero2]

You mean, Miami winning in 2001 didnt propell Syracuse to new heights?

No it didnt. Eventually you need to win games, but the financial impacts 14 years ago, are quite a bit different now. How much better could the IPF be if we pumped another 1 million into it? How about used the additional million to make major upgrades to the dome which would improve the gameday experience of the two biggest athletic teams, the football and basketball teams, and the others that play there as well?

that money would make a difference in recruiting. My question is which would help us more? Long term, an additional million dollars in upgrades would probably go a long ways to being able to eliminate Moore's gripe about kids wanting only shiny things when they come to visit. Just saying...

 

[Dave]

Syracuse wins from every Syracuse victory. Syracuse was put back on the big stage with the Dome victory over #1 Nebraska.

I was there.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Us winning>>>than taking one for the conference.

Like most are thinking our chances of winning are slim but there is a chance. Let's worry about our own team first...I want no injuries for either team and a well played game...let the chips fall where they fall...time for Cuse fans to start thinking like fans of a big boy school again.

 

[sufandu]

The best thing for SU is a win. The best thing for the conference is an FSU national championship.

 

[mountaincuse]

Us winning would be huge for us as a program and the entire conference would hate us for ruining FSU's chance. I'd love for that to happen and out would really jump start some rivalries.

 

[buffalorange]

I remember a story a few years ago, when Boise State was trying to run the table, and Nevada beat them, in doing so they (Nevada) cost their school over a million dollars in bonus for somebody in their conference making a BCS bowl. So essentially by Boise having gone to a BCS bowl every team in the conference gets a share of the media contracts for all the bowls combined, it was estimated each school would get an additional $1 million if Boise ran the table and made a BCS bowl.

So I ask, which benefits SU more? An SU victory and all it would do for recruiting to close out the year, or FSU going on to win a title, the ability for SU to play that recruiting pitch (The ACC can win titles!), and the financial gain?

Not that I think we will keep the game within 30, but I think it's an interesting question.

Edited for clarity.

Well, we can't control the BCS poll or the bowl selection. We can root for our team to win. Besides, I can't get past the notion of how pleasurable it would be to see that FSU helmet upside-down. And, we might be able to say we dealt the ACC champion its only loss.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

No no you misunderstand Nevada cost themselves over a million dollars by beating Boise State. That was essentially the conference bonus for Boise making a BCS game. I'll change the wording to the original post to make it more clear. essentially what I am asking is this,

Is beating FSU going to be a bigger boon to recruiting than an additional million dollars (which I think would be higher since its not just a BCS game, but a National championship game, and particularly a win in said game per the hypothetical) would be for the program to use on whatever it so chose, while also being able to say, the ACC is the first conference in 5 years to win a title besides the SEC.

Yes, I did misunderstand, but that makes the point even more valid. At least Boise State has a good program. Nevada does not-at least in the eyes of the casual fan. Nevada probably needs the money a lot more than a Syracuse team.

 

[orangenirvana]

Why is it dumb to post a hypothetical question? No one thinks we will actually win the game (including myself) but i'm just curious which would benefit us more in terms of tangible benefits. Obviously the feeling of beating FSU would be immensely awesome, but once the feeling goes away do we still get the tangible bonuses of having FSU play for a National Title, and god willing win it as a conference member?

Let's be honest: does it really benefit Syracuse for Florida State to play for or even win a national championship? I mean, really. A few extra dollars in the athletic department, okay. Will that lead to more wins for Syracuse Football down the road? I really, really doubt it.

If Syracuse were to beat Florida State it would be the upset of the season and we'd be the talk of college football for an entire week. You don't think that's 100000000x better than for a team that happens to play in our conference to play in the national championship game? Come on, it's silly to even ask hypothetically.

 

[AZOrange]

Ok...and there are still middle and bottom teams in the football leagues that have the program that win the NC. Did Washington St. get a big boost when USC had their run?

The SEC is kind've it's own monster, the ACC isn't going to suddenly become the SEC if FSU wins.

If the national champion comes from your conference you split a big pot of money. It benefits syracuse if fsu wins it all.

 

[OrangeDW]

If the national champion comes from your conference you split a big pot of money. It benefits syracuse if fsu wins it all.

If you beat the potential national champion, you get an extremely high profile win. It benefits Syracuse more if they beat undefeated Florida State on their own field.

There's crappy programs splitting national champion money every year...and they usually remain crappy programs despite getting some money.

 

[retro44]

No offense, but that's not an interesting question. It's an incredibly dumb question.

no offense, but that may have been the smartest thing you ever said

 

[omniorange]

Syracuse benefits immediately by beating the Noles.

The conference has until 2026 to recover from FSU not making the NC game for the 2013 season and having to "settle" for the Orange Bowl instead. I think the conference can survive that.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[TheCusian]

This is too easy - you root for both. That way after the game, you're ok with either result.

If we just look good in a loss we get accolades from ESPN and their bloggers. Just ask BC. (We have a better record, overall and in conference - but they are up and coming while we are struggling).

 

[syr02esq]

We win. Every other consideration is secondary.

 

[MikeSU02]

SU to win. Then win out. You give Shafter the extra bowl practices, the 9th win at a bowl and it will help with fundraising and recruiting.

Not only that, you give us nine wins this year, go into next year possibly pre-season ranked and now you are talking 10x the exposure on the Sportscenters of the world.

You always root for the program to get better on its own merits first and foremost.

Will that happen? Most likely not. But that's why you play the game. Get that big game experience. If we lose but play well, that experience can be the difference in the Notre Dame game next year, for example.

 

[HtownOrange]

SU to win. Then win out. You give Shafter the extra bowl practices, the 9th win at a bowl and it will help with fundraising and recruiting.

Not only that, you give us nine wins this year, go into next year possibly pre-season ranked and now you are talking 10x the exposure on the Sportscenters of the world.

You always root for the program to get better on its own merits first and foremost.

Will that happen? Most likely not. But that's why you play the game. Get that big game experience. If we lose but play well, that experience can be the difference in the Notre Dame game next year, for example.

Well put.

Besides, if FSU does not beat Alabama and win the NC, this is all for naught. Beat FSU, SU benefits, no questions asked.

P.S. Fisher has yet to have his coaching meltdown game of the year. Could it be SU? Why not!

 

[CuseOnly]

I feel that SU got very little respect when we beat ranked WVU 2x and Louisville because they were Big East teams. If we beat FSU, we will get much more respect than any of the Big East wins recently.

I am firmly in the camp that we should whoop them with no mercy or thought of the conference whatsoever.

I can dream, can't I?

 

[CuseOnly]

Well put.

Besides, if FSU does not beat Alabama and win the NC, this is all for naught. Beat FSU, SU benefits, no questions asked.

P.S. Fisher has yet to have his coaching meltdown game of the year. Could it be SU? Why not!

I think that Fisher could get hit by a bullet train, come back and coach with a helmet and drool cup and still win with the athletes he has on that team.

 

[cuseinchina]

Obviously SU winning would be a HUGE deal and you dream of that outcome.

But the benefits of FSU winning or at least playing in the NC game go well beyond near-term money. While the conference realignment nonsense has seemingly stopped for now, the paint isn't even dry yet on the new setup with several teams still to move to their new conference homes. Behind the scenes you have potential playoff expansion, and a television driven war between ESPN and FOX. The ACC has been viewed as weak and in some ways rightfully so. A NC strengthens the negotiating hand significantly, shuts up the fans from certain schools who wanted out, and just generally shifts the perception of the ACC in a significant and potentially long lasting way especially with Miami seemingly prepared to re-enter that upper echelon with FS and Clemson (loss to VT not withstanding).

So while I would definitely take the SU win...it could be argued that the best case outcome would be we keep it close, gain some respec and they go on to win the NC. I don't personally hold that view - but whoever said it was a stupid question to even bring up is wrong.

 

[WoadBlue]

No no you misunderstand Nevada cost themselves over a million dollars by beating Boise State. That was essentially the conference bonus for Boise making a BCS game. I'll change the wording to the original post to make it more clear. essentially what I am asking is this,

Is beating FSU going to be a bigger boon to recruiting than an additional million dollars (which I think would be higher since its not just a BCS game, but a National championship game, and particularly a win in said game per the hypothetical) would be for the program to use on whatever it so chose, while also being able to say, the ACC is the first conference in 5 years to win a title besides the SEC.

Your question is a valid one. With things as they now stand, the SEC being what it is and the ACC sharing the SEC with 4 states (starting next year) and bordering another 3 SEC states (a total of 9 SEC schools in our league backyard or else on our front porch), we must as a conference do well vis a vis the SEC. If we fail to do that, we will lose ground in TV money and prime exposure, and that we cannot afford to do.

What is the most obvious way for us to get a nice bump in pay from ESPN at the 5 year look in? We have at least 1 National title in football before then.

Here is another way for Syracuse fans to see the same point from a vantage than rings home more closely. Facilities are key to sustained recruiting. You can win big for a couple of years, but if your facilities fall into nothing, you will lose the ability to recruit consistently.

If Syracuse were to defeat FSU, you can bet the old time SU cheapskates will tell themselves that the W over the Noles is proof that there is no need to upgrade anything that costs real money. You would have earned a Pyrrhic victory.

5 and 4* talent from FL and GA, or even from OH, is not going to flock to upstate NY with no improved facilities just because you upset a #2 team. Those recruits want to see investment in the program in the way of facilities.

 

[Libero2]

Your question is a valid one. With things as they now stand, the SEC being what it is and the ACC sharing the SEC with 4 states (starting next year) and bordering another 3 SEC states (a total of 9 SEC schools in our league backyard or else on our front porch), we must as a conference do well vis a vis the SEC. If we fail to do that, we will lose ground in TV money and prime exposure, and that we cannot afford to do.

What is the most obvious way for us to get a nice bump in pay from ESPN at the 5 year look in? We have at least 1 National title in football before then.

Here is another way for Syracuse fans to see the same point from a vantage than rings home more closely. Facilities are key to sustained recruiting. You can win big for a couple of years, but if your facilities fall into nothing, you will lose the ability to recruit consistently.

If Syracuse were to defeat FSU, you can bet the old time SU cheapskates will tell themselves that the W over the Noles is proof that there is no need to upgrade anything that costs real money. You would have earned a Pyrrhic victory.

5 and 4* talent from FL and GA, or even from OH, is not going to flock to upstate NY with no improved facilities just because you upset a #2 team. Those recruits want to see investment in the program in the way of facilities.

Also the obvious tangible benefit of bonus money which we could use to improve the dome, or the new IPF even further. I personally prefer the money go to the dome, because improved game day experience for everybody not just football, and we can add some of he bells and whistles Moore complains about kids wanting more than an actual adequate weight room.

 

[Mr Peabody]

if we win i'll start a collection to atone for the lack of an ACC national champ.

 

[rrlbees]

Your question is a valid one. With things as they now stand, the SEC being what it is and the ACC sharing the SEC with 4 states (starting next year) and bordering another 3 SEC states (a total of 9 SEC schools in our league backyard or else on our front porch), we must as a conference do well vis a vis the SEC. If we fail to do that, we will lose ground in TV money and prime exposure, and that we cannot afford to do.

What is the most obvious way for us to get a nice bump in pay from ESPN at the 5 year look in? We have at least 1 National title in football before then.

Here is another way for Syracuse fans to see the same point from a vantage than rings home more closely. Facilities are key to sustained recruiting. You can win big for a couple of years, but if your facilities fall into nothing, you will lose the ability to recruit consistently.

If Syracuse were to defeat FSU, you can bet the old time SU cheapskates will tell themselves that the W over the Noles is proof that there is no need to upgrade anything that costs real money. You would have earned a Pyrrhic victory.

5 and 4* talent from FL and GA, or even from OH, is not going to flock to upstate NY with no improved facilities just because you upset a #2 team. Those recruits want to see investment in the program in the way of facilities.

We could have the best facilities in the country and not get 4 and 5 star recruits out of Florida if we don't win and have coaches who can recruit and build relationships.

Of course we could try going the route of fraudulent academic courses.


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[nzm136]

Us winning>>>than taking one for the conference.

Like most are thinking our chances of winning are slim but there is a chance. Let's worry about our own team first...I want no injuries for either team and a well played game...let the chips fall where they fall...time for Cuse fans to start thinking like fans of a big boy school again.

+1

 

[TheCusian]

Can we all agree that a 65-0 FSU WIN + Winston breaking his leg would be the worst scenario?