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Does anyone believe that with a new football coach and the current level of talent, that Syracuse could contend for an ACC title?

We have eight months of no football between January and next August to ponder this. Why not just enjoy these last five games where we shouldn't be overmatched in any of them?
This is where I'm at as well.
 
There’s a big difference in the infrastructure at Syracuse when we hired grob/marrone/Shaffer/and even when we first hired dino to today. The foundation of the program is in a much better place. Now we need to bring in a good to great gameday coach who can make the most of the improved situation.
The problem is teams are now buying players with NIL. We are fighting yesterday's battle. The game has moved on.

Facilities are nice but cash is king.
 
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately this 45M isn’t for NIL it’s general athletic department support and improvements. None of these dollars are going to NIL. NIL funds have to come from outside the university.
These days NIL is more important than facilities to land top players.
 
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So six states in reach we should focus on. Unfortunately our head coach over the last 8 plus years hasnt built his staff with coaches that had any true ties to these key areas. Last year that changed a little and amazingly we actually landed a few kids from these areas.
Dino has hired some very good coaches. Here's one of them from New Jersey. Coached number 11 on the best high school list I posted above. Most of the information here is from cuse.com
Those who have said we don't recruit are, IMO, incorrect. Campanile is just getting started, creating ties at the best Jersey schools. He was out there as I saw his name/pic for many offered players.
I say give Campanile another spring and we may see many more NJ recruits commit, adding to the pipeline we've already begun.

It would help him if we had a decent rest of the season. My picks// vs. Colgate W, vs W. Michigan W,
@Purdue W, vs. Army W, @ Clemson L, @ North Carolina L, @ Fl St, L @ V Tech W, vs BC W, n Pitt W,
@ Georgia Tech W, vs Wake W. Best Record 9-3, Worst record 7-5.

NUNZIO CAMPANILE
An experienced power five coach with strong ties to northeast recruiting
, Nunzio Campanile was hired as Syracuse's new tight ends coach in January 2023.

Campanile joined the Orange after spending the past five seasons at Rutgers, serving in numerous roles including interim stints as head coach and offensive coordinator, but spent most of his time dedicated to the tight ends room.

A Paramus Catholic graduate with strong ties across New Jersey, Campanile was an accomplished high school coach before joining the Scarlet Knights, with stints at national powerhouses Bergen Catholic and Don Bosco Prep.

Campanile joined Rutgers for the 2018 season as the running backs coach before pivoting to tight ends at the start of the 2019 campaign. He'd finish the year as the interim head coach and was the play caller for the final eight games of that season.

He returned to his post as tight ends coach at the start of 2020, where he remained through this past season until he added interim offensive coordinator and quarterbacks to his list of duties.

Campanile arrived at Rutgers after spending eight seasons as the head coach of Bergen Catholic, where he led the team to the 2017 state championship. One of the nation's elite high school programs, Campanile compiled a 60-28 record (.681), while leading the Crusaders.

He mentored seven all-state quarterbacks at Bergen Catholic, which averaged over 35 points per game and saw numerous prospects sign scholarship offers across the country during his tenure.


Before Bergen Catholic, he was the offensive coordinator at Don Bosco Prep from 2000-09, another one of the top football programs in the nation. The Ironmen won six state championships in his 10 seasons there, claiming the national title in 2009. In his time running the offense, Don Bosco recorded a 112-6 overall record.

Campanile comes from a football family, having played quarterback and safety for his father, Mike, at Paramus Catholic, before going on to play collegiately at Amherst College in 1995 and 1996, before transferring to Montclair State, where he graduated in 1999. His brothers, Vito (Bergen Catholic head coach), Nick (DePaul head coach) and Anthony (Miami Dolphins linebackers), also followed in their father's footsteps as football coaches.
 
It would help him if we had a decent rest of the season. My picks// vs. Colgate W, vs W. Michigan W,
@Purdue W, vs. Army W, @ Clemson L, @ North Carolina L, @ Fl St, L @ V Tech W, vs BC W, n Pitt W,
@ Georgia Tech W, vs Wake W. Best Record 9-3, Worst record 7-5.
Just a note, our current O/U in Vegas is 6.5
 
We should change coaches every 4 years.

They come in with energy. Once the job starts turning them into depressed zombies, move on.

Get most of our recruits from the transfer portal.

New coaches here always seem to have more success with the previous guy's recruits anyway.
 
Um, I hope you realize that’s not NIL. The school can’t give that money to players.
I think the usual characters (i.e. schools) will find a way to do so through laundering or whatever means they can contrive. I think it's naive not to think so. As usual Syracuse will be the last to find a way:)

BTW, I'm not saying I condone this inevitable fact.
 
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We should change coaches every 4 years.

They come in with energy. Once the job starts turning them into depressed zombies, move on.

Get most of our recruits from the transfer portal.

New coaches here always seem to have more success with the previous guy's recruits anyway.

The Cincy approach. They had pretty decent to good names from 1989 to today.

2023: Satterfield (ex Louisville, App State HC)
2017-2022: Fickell (ex Ohio State interim HC, current Wisconsin HC)
2013-2016: Tuberville (ex Texas Tech, Auburn, Ole Miss HC)
2010-2012: Butch Jones (ex Central Michigan HC, left for Tennessee and now at Arkansas State)
2007-2009: Brian Kelly (ex Grand Valley State, CMU HC. Left for Notre Dame and current LSU HC)
2004-2006: Mark Dantonio (ex tOSU DC, left for Michigan State HC)
1994-2003: Rick Minter (ex ND DC)
1989-1993: Tim Murphy (ex Maine HC, current Harvard HC)
 
Dino has hired some very good coaches. Here's one of them from New Jersey. Coached number 11 on the best high school list I posted above. Most of the information here is from cuse.com
Those who have said we don't recruit are, IMO, incorrect. Campanile is just getting started, creating ties at the best Jersey schools. He was out there as I saw his name/pic for many offered players.
I say give Campanile another spring and we may see many more NJ recruits commit, adding to the pipeline we've already begun.

It would help him if we had a decent rest of the season. My picks// vs. Colgate W, vs W. Michigan W,
@Purdue W, vs. Army W, @ Clemson L, @ North Carolina L, @ Fl St, L @ V Tech W, vs BC W, n Pitt W,
@ Georgia Tech W, vs Wake W. Best Record 9-3, Worst record 7-5.

NUNZIO CAMPANILE
An experienced power five coach with strong ties to northeast recruiting
, Nunzio Campanile was hired as Syracuse's new tight ends coach in January 2023.

Campanile joined the Orange after spending the past five seasons at Rutgers, serving in numerous roles including interim stints as head coach and offensive coordinator, but spent most of his time dedicated to the tight ends room.

A Paramus Catholic graduate with strong ties across New Jersey, Campanile was an accomplished high school coach before joining the Scarlet Knights, with stints at national powerhouses Bergen Catholic and Don Bosco Prep.

Campanile joined Rutgers for the 2018 season as the running backs coach before pivoting to tight ends at the start of the 2019 campaign. He'd finish the year as the interim head coach and was the play caller for the final eight games of that season.

He returned to his post as tight ends coach at the start of 2020, where he remained through this past season until he added interim offensive coordinator and quarterbacks to his list of duties.

Campanile arrived at Rutgers after spending eight seasons as the head coach of Bergen Catholic, where he led the team to the 2017 state championship. One of the nation's elite high school programs, Campanile compiled a 60-28 record (.681), while leading the Crusaders.

He mentored seven all-state quarterbacks at Bergen Catholic, which averaged over 35 points per game and saw numerous prospects sign scholarship offers across the country during his tenure.


Before Bergen Catholic, he was the offensive coordinator at Don Bosco Prep from 2000-09, another one of the top football programs in the nation. The Ironmen won six state championships in his 10 seasons there, claiming the national title in 2009. In his time running the offense, Don Bosco recorded a 112-6 overall record.

Campanile comes from a football family, having played quarterback and safety for his father, Mike, at Paramus Catholic, before going on to play collegiately at Amherst College in 1995 and 1996, before transferring to Montclair State, where he graduated in 1999. His brothers, Vito (Bergen Catholic head coach), Nick (DePaul head coach) and Anthony (Miami Dolphins linebackers), also followed in their father's footsteps as football coaches.
This was a great hire! I like our current staff. Let's see what happens over the next 5 games!! We have some momentum in NJ recruiting...Here's hoping, our newly announced Collective and NIL, will get us some players.
 
NUNZIO CAMPANILE

so what great rutgers TE's has he coached ? i went back as far as 2017 and don't see any all big ten TE'S out of rutgers. i see 1 d lineman, a couple lb's and cb's . some very good punters and 1 return specialist.
no offensive players at all let alone TE'S.
 
The biggest obstacle we have is that we have nothing that we can hang our hat on comparative to other peer programs.

Academics?
Weather?
Proximity to major metro area?
Recent sustained success?
Traditions?

I mean seriously, that’s the deal. Our only significant tradition is hanging in the rafters because some moron decided to retire it as a marketing gimmick during a crappy season.

So what will make the difference?

Have a HC who is BOTH charismatic and a good X’s and O’s Coach. And provide him the resources to hire a quality staff with a major emphasis on line coaches. If we need to put our limited resources all in one basket that’s it.

You do this, you’ll get the players, which will bring the wins, which will bring the fans, which will bring more NIL, which will bring more players, and so on, and so on. But you have to INVEST in it. Spend money to make money.

Why can Louisville and Pitt pay $5.5-6m per year for a HC but Syracuse only $4m. That’s what we should really be challenging as a fan base.
 
I agree. Without question, the issues Syracuse faces are multidimensional and chronic. And yet you post a Yes or No thread title with baked in congruence bias seemingly to support your theory that talent is the singular, primary issue independent, or nearly independent, of the impact of coaching.

Were you truly looking for reasons to be convinced otherwise? Or were you just trying to ferret out those "thinkers" who believe that it is coaching over talent? If it was the latter, you are acting contrary to most of the creative problem solving models I am familiar with.

FWIW, my understanding is that the AD department has analyzed obstacles to success specific to the football program. Obviously, recruiting and keeping talent is VERY high on the list. I would argue it should be #1. But, when you shift from focusing on obstacles to identifying potential solutions then coaching hires, salaries, staff additions, infrastructure, facilities, recruiting budgets, NIL, playing in bowl games, AND revenue (this is why we have a home game in NYC) are ALL part of the equation.
Best post in this thread.
 
We should change coaches every 4 years.

They come in with energy. Once the job starts turning them into depressed zombies, move on.

Get most of our recruits from the transfer portal.

New coaches here always seem to have more success with the previous guy's recruits anyway.
Why not?

People are so terrified of INSTABILITY. Who cares? It really doesn't matter, especially in the era of the portal.
 
Why not?

People are so terrified of INSTABILITY. Who cares? It really doesn't matter, especially in the era of the portal.

Stability is way less important than it used to be. But still, I'd keep it if the record backed it up. Like Narduzzi. Or even Ferentz I guess (but even with the winning seasons, the Iowa brand of football would make me vomit all over that nice Dome turf).
 
It doesn't matter...they have a system to get kids cars/ cash, and we don't. We have dealeships in Syracuse. Bill Rapp used to supply cars to SU athletes back in the day(I don't know how they got them)..Why don't we have dealers donating cars?

It has nothing to do with the dealership. The dealership just sold the cars. It's the collective.

Bees said 6 million (not sure where that # came from. I would have estimated a million per year. $700K for 85 - 1 year leases. Down payments, taxes and insurance. They probably gave the kids gas cards to.
 
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It has nothing to do with the dealership. The dealership just sold the cars. It's the collective.

Bees said 6 million (not sure where that # came from. I would have estimated a million per year. $700K for 85 - 1 year leases. Down payments, taxes and insurance. They probably gave the kids gas cards to.
Maybe the dealership had a lot of inventory that wasn't moving and wrote off some of it as a loss.
 
It has nothing to do with the dealership. The dealership just sold the cars. It's the collective.

Bees said 6 million (not sure where that # came from. I would have estimated a million per year. $700K for 85 - 1 year leases. Down payments, taxes and insurance. They probably gave the kids gas cards to.

The number came from an article when the deal was announced. The vehicles are 60k+ and they are also paying for insurance and all the fees etc. Seems about right to me for 85 players.
 
The number came from an article when the deal was announced. The vehicles are 60k+ and they are also paying for insurance and all the fees etc. Seems about right to me for 85 players.
Is any of that money going to get recycled back into their NIL from the dealership?
 
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The Cincy approach. They had pretty decent to good names from 1989 to today.

2023: Satterfield (ex Louisville, App State HC)
2017-2022: Fickell (ex Ohio State interim HC, current Wisconsin HC)
2013-2016: Tuberville (ex Texas Tech, Auburn, Ole Miss HC)
2010-2012: Butch Jones (ex Central Michigan HC, left for Tennessee and now at Arkansas State)
2007-2009: Brian Kelly (ex Grand Valley State, CMU HC. Left for Notre Dame and current LSU HC)
2004-2006: Mark Dantonio (ex tOSU DC, left for Michigan State HC)
1994-2003: Rick Minter (ex ND DC)
1989-1993: Tim Murphy (ex Maine HC, current Harvard HC)
Cincy with their school profile and level of resources has done an exceptional job over the years of hiring head coaches. Although I'm not sure Satterfield will be the best hire for them.

But again with Fickell they were able to get him to $5m a year. We just seem perpetually under market for HC salary for a P5 program compared to our peers. Or who we want our peers to be.
 
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The Cincy approach. They had pretty decent to good names from 1989 to today.

2023: Satterfield (ex Louisville, App State HC)
2017-2022: Fickell (ex Ohio State interim HC, current Wisconsin HC)
2013-2016: Tuberville (ex Texas Tech, Auburn, Ole Miss HC)
2010-2012: Butch Jones (ex Central Michigan HC, left for Tennessee and now at Arkansas State)
2007-2009: Brian Kelly (ex Grand Valley State, CMU HC. Left for Notre Dame and current LSU HC)
2004-2006: Mark Dantonio (ex tOSU DC, left for Michigan State HC)
1994-2003: Rick Minter (ex ND DC)
1989-1993: Tim Murphy (ex Maine HC, current Harvard HC)

Changing coaches every four years because they have been so successful is much more appealing to me than changing every four years because we're a dumpster fire. Getting to that point would be nice, since we've been a dumpster fire for the vast majority of the last 20 years.
 
Cincy with their school profile and level of resources has done an exceptional job over the years of hiring head coaches. Although I'm not sure Satterfield will be the best hire for them.

But again with Fickell they were able to get him to $5m a year. We just seem perpetually under market for HC salary for a P5 program compared to our peers. Or who we want our peers to be.

Who is the “we” that wants a certain peer group?

Because I’m not sure the school BOT is aligned with fan expectations. I don’t think our fans have champagne tastes, but a nice bottle of decent mass marketed red wine would be nice.

The BOT has budgeted for a bottle of Thunderbird or Wild Irish Rose you’d pick up from a ghetto gas station. They can’t possibly think it’s good quality, and it’s become offensive that they keep trying to convince me that it is.
 

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