Does SU need to win the BE bash...

[HOFCeluck]

like cusetown, you must forget all the years that the acc got favored over teams including su when it came to seedings and the board would lite up What. i am sure we will be the 1 in the east, but i don't trust the selection committee one bit to always do what is right. you can already hear it in the talking heads voices how great unc is. there are even threads here complaining about the talk unc is getting. as others have said unc wins the acc, they may want them and uk on opposite sides.

I've only been following the cuse since 1995 but as far as I can remember the only reason why teams from the ACC were favored was because they were better than Syracuse.

 

[rrlbees]

I want Syracuse to win the BET so they are hot going into the dance, and to complete the second leg of the DREAM SEASON. THats the list.

The notion that the committee wants UNC for ratings is narrow minded grassy knoll talk that has sadly become the staple of the Syracuse fanbase. Oh gee, who have been the two highest rated teams ALL YEAR? You Think the committee doesn't want to set that up? Naaaaah that crazy.

its not about su. it's about unc, duke and the acc. i guess you slept through the past 2 decades. do we deserve the east? yes. will we get the east? yes. do i trust the committee not to screw up? no.

btw, if you asked every person on that committee to a man, which 2 teams they would like to see in the championship game, i bet a heck of a lot more than you think would say uk-unc. the talking heads are already talking that way.

 

[rrlbees]

I've only been following the cuse since 1995 but as far as I can remember the only reason why teams from the ACC were favored was because they were better than Syracuse.

Not Su specifically but UNC/duke. Every other year there ia an uproar about a favorable seed one of them got.

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[Madbiker]

The Committee manipulates the S curve all the time to put teams where they want to put them and create certain match ups that they want.

 

[mantonio]

Fearless prediction:
If SU loses to UConn Thursday and UNC wins the ACC tourney, the committee will slot UNC as the #2 overall in the opposite bracket from UK. SU will be in the bracket with UK to play them in the semi. An SU loss gives the committee the excuse they need to set up the title game they (and CBS) really want.

Whatever, It will give Syracuse the motivation to kick UK's Ass in the semi-final & ruin the committee's little Title Party on Monday night...

 

[mantonio]

We are going to be in the Big East next year, Cincy. So we will also be in the BET.

It is likely, but you really can't predict this with 100% certainty. There is a small chance they will be out sooner...

 

[mantonio]

I've only been following the cuse since 1995 but as far as I can remember the only reason why teams from the ACC were favored was because they were better than Syracuse.

You didn't follow the 2010 season then. Syracuse was clearly the better team during the season than Duke. Duke was very lucky to get an easier path to the championship game that season, & they stole our position as the 3rd #1 seed. That could have been Syracuse in the championship against Butler, & we might have actually beaten them that night. A team like Butler would beat Syracuse less than half the time...

 

[SkanSU]

My concern and a "What if" ... BTW the bracketing thing is another reason schools need to take a closer look at the viability of the NCAA. SU is clearly 1 of the 2 best teams in the Nation ... no comparison. That was demonstrated through 31 games and doesn't have to be further shown through 3 lousy games that are meaningless. But if the NCAA decides, "Hey we can have a better TV showing if we move SU here" ... don't kid yourself, they will do it. All they need is a reason so there are no What's.
On the other hand letme remind you of the 2010 BET and resulting injury to AO that screwed up any chance at an NCAA run. Consider this ... an injury to Fab ... now that would be devastating!

 

[ForeverOrange]

The only way to end this worry about losing the east is to go out and handle business and win the BET period. The talking heads are talking up UNC a lot, and honestly, if I am on the outside looking in, we have done nothing in the tournament in recent years to motivate anyone to think UNC wont do a better job getting to the championship game than we will. We really need a good showing this season in the dance or we will be worrying like this a lot more in the future.

 

[Moontan]

If UK is their clear #1, it only makes sense to place SU & UNC in regions that would meet in the FF semi-final. Place Dook in SU's region to set up a potential alternate attractive semi-final.

For all this planning and strategery, remember that things rarely go all chalk. There will be upsets along the way.

 

[njcuse]

Since I started this thread, I'd like to respond to the comments that the team does not need rest and practice. This team can use both. For example, I think they could work more on moving both the ball and their feet on offense. Somehow I believe JB feels the same way and is giving attention to this need. But perhaps I should have highlighted the injury concern. Sure it's an outside bet, but I do believe SU lost a shot at the national championship in 09-10 when they lost their center because of a BET injury. And finally, in spite of my note that the rest, practice, and injury factors were a consideration, I clearly stated that I want them to win this BET, that they deserve that accomplishment added to their wonderful resume for this season.

 

[njcuse]

One last point. Damn, I would love to see SU beat UConn for a third time in one season!!! No second dream run for UConn.

 

[njcuse]

Okay, one more thought. UConn argument for NCAA bid: "Well, ah, we're the only team that lost to Syracuse three times."

 

[armory]

Rest is one of the most overrated factors in all of sports because its most often discussed by couch critics who are usually too old and out of shape to remember how much rest young athletes dont need between games.

These kids were playing 3 games a day in AAU. I think they can handle 1 in college.

 

[cusetown1]

a few months ago I witnessed the worst national championship for football, by 2 teams that had already played each other that season. I doubt people are yearning for another UNC UK match up. When you lose by 36 points in a season, it sends up red flags. Go ahead and put UNC and UK on opposite sides, I highly doubt UNC gets there.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Okay, one more thought. UConn argument for NCAA bid: "Well, ah, we're the only team that lost to Syracuse three times."

"Not so fast, son, let's see how this plays out" said Rick Pitino.

 

[MCuse44]

Ideal scenario.

Beat UCONN, GTOWN, LVILLE...win the BET. Boehiem champ speech, "The big east tournament is offically closed!".

See yea BEAST!

 

[baggerbob]

If we don't reach the championship game of the Big East tournament and North Carolina or Duke win ACC and Kansas wins Big 12 we will end up being the 4th number 1 seed and out west. They did that 2 years ago when Duke moved ahead of us when we lost AO. Kentucky gets the South North Carolina or Duke get The east and Kansas would get the Midwest, the committee has proven in the past they don't consider syracuse to be one of the elite programs.

 

[HOFCeluck]

You didn't follow the 2010 season then. Syracuse was clearly the better team during the season than Duke. Duke was very lucky to get an easier path to the championship game that season, & they stole our position as the 3rd #1 seed. That could have been Syracuse in the championship against Butler, & we might have actually beaten them that night. A team like Butler would beat Syracuse less than half the time...

Syracuse was lucky they didn't get the Kenyon Martin treatment after losing their last two going into the dance...as well as their starting C.

 

[mantonio]

Syracuse was lucky they didn't get the Kenyon Martin treatment after losing their last two going into the dance...as well as their starting C.

The Syracuse staff played it smart by saying AO would be back, & his injury was not a clear, long term prognosis. They were able to parlay that uncertainty to their advantage, to some degree.

Kenyon Martin had a clean bone break, which was absolutely a long term recovery prognosis...

 

[kirbivore]

Probably a moot point now with SU beating storz but there is a way SU could get the East and not be the #2 overall seed. Kentucky goes to St. Louis (which is about 50 miles closer to Lexington, KY than the ATL), UNC gets Atlanta, SU gets Boston, and #4 gets Phoenix. FF matchups if chalk wins out are UK vs. #4 and UNC vs. SU.

 

[mantonio]

Probably a moot point now with SU beating storz but there is a way SU could get the East and not be the #2 overall seed. Kentucky goes to St. Louis (which is about 50 miles closer to Lexington, KY than the ATL), UNC gets Atlanta, SU gets Boston, and #4 gets Phoenix. FF matchups if chalk wins out are UK vs. #4 and UNC vs. SU.

I think UNC is much more vulnerable to an early exit than Syracuse. They have lost some questionable games, with one of them being a blowout. They can get hot, but it's tough...

 

[alibrat66]

You didn't follow the 2010 season then. Syracuse was clearly the better team during the season than Duke. Duke was very lucky to get an easier path to the championship game that season, & they stole our position as the 3rd #1 seed. That could have been Syracuse in the championship against Butler, & we might have actually beaten them that night. A team like Butler would beat Syracuse less than half the time...

2010 we played Butler and lost. How could we have played them again in the championship game?

 

[CaptainJ]

2010 we played Butler and lost. How could we have played them again in the championship game?

He meant that being Duke stole our spot, they got an easier path that should have been ours, which wouldn't have us meeting Butler until later, if at all. I haven't been the biggest fan of the selection committee over the years, so very little would surprise me.

I also have been against the "rest" argument. JB thinks 2 byes is too much time and the team gets rusty. There is no guarantee the team will cut down the final 4 nets if they leave the BET early, and I'd love to see them cut down at least one tournament's nets. Preferably both like JC's team did last year.

 

[alibrat66]

I see. Thanks. I had trouble following his syntax.

However, it is still a moot argument, as Butler beat us and, given AO's injury, would've beaten us later on the tournament. It's the old "if the bear hadn't stopped to take a shite, he wouldn't have been shot" logic.

I agree about too much rest and sitting around would not help this team. JB also agrees with us, based on what he said in the press conference right after the UCONN game.

Take care and thanks for clarifying. Go Cuse!