Donnie and JJ back

[Red2003]

This

They were still scrambling with money when Eddie bumped the price. They literally had to go raise the money within like 48 hours to get him to be at cuse at that time. They also thought they were getting another player at the time too. It was not organized. This year is 100000% different than last year hence why I still stand behind Alex and Red and the guys for next season because of the preparation for this offseason compared to last

I'm impressed with the speed this year. Last year everything just happened slow. I thought the key was to be fast this offseason and we're doing that so far.

Right now there's also what like 4-5 ACC teams that have new coaches coming in too. I'm sure they'll have big checkbooks for NIL, but it's going to take them some time to get rolling too.

I hope we can keep it up. Realistically we need 3 top tier players as early as we can get them and the rest can fill roles later on.

 

[phsyra]

JJ and Freeman don't play defense so this doesnt help much.

We need someone who can coach defense and some players who can play defense. Its the only way.

 

[kcsu]

Hats off to Red and the entire Bball staff and boosters. Retaining Donnie is incredibly important to the future of the program. He is a Bonafide star and losing him to another program would have been devastating. We now have a solid foundation to build on. I like JJ. I think that JJ has a skill that very few have and I'm really glad he is back. The incoming players are solid. I really like the Aussie and believe he is going to play a significant role. Add a center and a great guard and please a mature solid 3 and we have a chance to dance. Best news in a very long time.

 

[SUFan44]

My guess. Could be more. I’m being conservative.

~$6m nil
~$3m of the $20.5m
Melo wildcard.

$9m + Melo tbd

The $20.5M is a key. After this little month here, prior to the expected NCAA settlement when it’s still a free for all and a bunch of schools will be spending like drunk sailors, all the external NIL $ must go through a third-party review.

Unless your school is going to go back to under the table payments, you’ll need to get corporations to step up and do marketing deals with these kids. However, they can’t be for multi-millions of dollars unless the kid has a huge social media following and would generate that sort of money on the open market for paid posts or appearances.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

They were still scrambling with money when Eddie bumped the price. They literally had to go raise the money within like 48 hours to get him to be at cuse at that time. They also thought they were getting another player at the time too. It was not organized. This year is 100000% different than last year hence why I still stand behind Alex and Red and the guys for next season because of the preparation for this offseason compared to last

Nothing is binding until the draft declaration deadline is done and the transfer window is closed.

Fortunately, unlike Lampkin, the day the portal closes is when Freeman is locked in. Transfers aren’t locked in until they enroll in their new school.

Thanks, but i still don't understand.

NIL was a 'deal' between a player and some independent (from the School) entity. That entity was not entitled to have a signed contract with the player?

Any time someone is paying someone, aren't they entitled to have a contract that guarantees them performance for that compensation? I don't understand what that has to do with enrollment dates. And if that is changed now, that the school can pay, does that mean the independent NIL is now funneled into through the school?

Either way, yah, real good that things—at least for these two—are managed early, but i'm still not understanding why a player can't change his mind if approached by more dough.

 

[Hopkins16]

Although JJ has flaws that drives us crazy, I am very happy that he’ll be back. He and especially Freeman retuning is so huge for the program. JJ’s experience is valuable and he will be a positive influence and leader for the freshmen coming in. Now that we know who’ll be returning, it is up to Red and the GM to fill out the roster with complimentary players. I am hopeful that we will do a better job with the portal this year.

 

[TexanMark]

I love Womack's long-term potential. Kid has skill.

But if he's our starting SF next year, we'll be lucky to win 10 games.

Think Petar [assuming he returns] will be our backup 5 who can also slide to 4.

I assume Petar will be a 4 year guy for us. He could be a great 6th or 7th man within 2 years.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I assume Petar will be a 4 year guy for us. He could be a great 6th or 7th man within 2 years.

He needs to get stronger. Love to see him become a bit of a bruiser similar to that kid from Clemson Schieffelin

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[Scotch]

JJ and Freeman don't play defense so this doesnt help much.

We need someone who can coach defense and some players who can play defense. Its the only way.

Defense is only like, 50 percent of the game.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Getting Freeman and Starling back is the best start to the off season we could have hoped for. I know there will be push back on that take because of JJ. But for all the JJ bashing, Red invested in keeping him here. I don't think the plan is to recruit over him.

I think the thought process is that JJ's skill set and efficiency will likely play up if he doesn't have to be the primary playmaker, scorer, and only late game option. Of course, to get there, Red will need to add offensive talent via the portal. JJ already scaled back his 3 attempts - that needs to continue. He needs to focus on doing the things he does well. And he needs to play with much more effort on D.

I would like to see him more active away from the ball. Taking pressure of from handling the ball will allow him to add to his game. I would like to see him flash into the lane more or work for some little lobs back door. The kid is strong and athletic. He needs to look for cracks in the defense while being on the weak side of the floor. His mid range jumper might be his biggest strength. He also has a good floater. I don’t think people realize what a weapon he could be surrounded by a few shooters. His entire game will open up.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I know you understand that 34% when none of the shots are highly contested because you are the last option is far different than 30% when the other team is keying on you and your teammates give you the ball at the end of the shot clock. Cadeau is a terrible shooter.

I’m not sure if he’s terrible or just a non willing shooter. He’s just a 90% passer kind of point guard. He’s not aggressive offensively. Whenever he drives, he’s looking to pass except his winning bucket against us. He’s not anything like what we need next year. At times he looks terrific, but there’s other times you wonder what are you doing?

 

[jdubs30]

I guess a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I’m happy with Donnie back but I would have preferred using the JJ money elsewhere, but i understand nothing is a certainty in the portal so JJ is probably the safest option.

It is absolutely essential now that we get a pure PG who can also shoot, and hopefully is a good defender

 

[hoopsupstate]

My guess. Could be more. I’m being conservative.

~$6m nil
~$3m of the $20.5m
Melo wildcard.

$9m + Melo tbd

My understanding is the share from the university is $14 million for football, $4 million for men’s basketball and $2 million for women’s basketball. If you have additional scholarships it will come out of those totals. Fran is looking to raise $6-8 million to put him over $20 million. That’s serious money. Some will have more, but that‘s a big number. SU basketball will have additional money from the collective and the $1 million from the NIL tournament from next season. I think if we are close to getting a huge portal addition and we might need more money, they could find someone to help finish the deal

 

[hoopsupstate]

Big news. A decent foundation.

Soooo… if that means their NIL is agreed upon, what exactly does that mean? A contract has been signed? Is there a way to structure a NIL contract that is actually binding? And/or one that has a buyout/cancellation figure?

I genuinely don’t know—please edumacate me. I’m assuming the ordeal with Lampkin last year was because this stuff was just not fully buttoned-up. What happens if Donnie gets an offer next month or when someone gets desperate in June, 2x what we‘re going to pay him? Some fat Texas wallet comes a-tamperin’?

I read yesterday that OKC had Donnie as a choice in the second round.

 

[Chip]

Only need to find three starters. We are in a good place.

Us and every other team.

Although we may only need to find 2 starters.

 

[SimonSays]

JJ playing 35+ mins every night actually isn’t horrible. idk about yall but he actually is a really good scorer and i think we all agree on that he shouldn’t be our #1 guy. he is still one of the leading ACC scorers and is one of the best ACC players. yes we should compliment him with others and especially a sharp shooting PG

 

[Chip]

The key here is maintaining our NIL. If this is a one time “booster shot”, we’ll be back in the same boat.

That's always been my worry. The SEC state schools can maintain because 1) those people seemingly have nothing else to live for and 2) There are a lot more of them.

 

[Niastri]

Thanks, but i still don't understand.

NIL was a 'deal' between a player and some independent (from the School) entity. That entity was not entitled to have a signed contract with the player?

Any time someone is paying someone, aren't they entitled to have a contract that guarantees them performance for that compensation? I don't understand what that has to do with enrollment dates. And if that is changed now, that the school can pay, does that mean the independent NIL is now funneled into through the school?

Either way, yah, real good that things—at least for these two—are managed early, but i'm still not understanding why a player can't change his mind if approached by more dough.

The problem is that there isn’t a contract between the school and the player. As of right now, the school can’t pay the player directly. (Wink wink) The player is getting paid by a third party to be allowed use of their NIL. So, it creates huge opportunities for abuse on both sides.

Kids are agreeing to play for a given school because of huge NIL offers that never materialize. Kids agree to play for a school, collect some NIL, then change their mind and either switch schools or ask for more money.

The system is completely broken, with little accountability on either side other than integrity… Yet, technically the way everything is being done is illegal anyway.

lol at integrity in a process that is all shady and against the rules.

Every nil deal is made “At your own risk.”

 

[FrancoPizza]

My understanding is the share from the university is $14 million for football, $4 million for men’s basketball and $2 million for women’s basketball.

if I’m the AD I try to funnel the $2M from the women’s team toward revenue sports. doesn’t the university have a say in how it gets distributed?

 

[orange79]

if I’m the AD I try to funnel the $2M from the women’s team toward revenue sports. doesn’t the university have a say in how it gets distributed?

This is why you're not the AD.

 

[richmondcuse03]

The problem is that there isn’t a contract between the school and the player. As of right now, the school can’t pay the player directly. (Wink wink) The player is getting paid by a third party to be allowed use of their NIL. So, it creates huge opportunities for abuse on both sides.

Kids are agreeing to play for a given school because of huge NIL offers that never materialize. Kids agree to play for a school, collect some NIL, then change their mind and either switch schools or ask for more money.

The system is completely broken, with little accountability on either side other than integrity… Yet, technically the way everything is being done is illegal anyway.

lol at integrity in a process that is all shady and against the rules.

Every nil deal is made “At your own risk.”

JW has said there will be agreements/contracts once revenue sharing is in place. They'll include attendance clauses, among other things. The piece I've never heard mentioned is whether they will ever be multi-year deals.

 

[LAorange44]

What is up with my boy Lil Petar? Is he back officially?

 

[Niastri]

JW has said there will be agreements/contracts once revenue sharing is in place. They'll include attendance clauses, among other things. The piece I've never heard mentioned is whether they will ever be multi-year deals.

Right, we are making all these plans based on the presumption that the settlement that will allow schools to pay players directly goes through.

As of now, NIL is still technically between third parties, and also technically not tied to any school. So, as a player I could start an NIL deal today, allow whatever auto dealer to use my name for a while, collect a hefty paycheck even though (wink wink) the NIL isn’t attached to attending any school.

After the first few checks clear, and my appearances tied to the NIL by contract clear, then I go get another, bigger deal, fronted with a signing bonus of course.

There’s a top football player, a ‘26 recruit, that has already committed to five schools, including Syracuse for a few minutes. He is currently between commitments.

I wonder how much NIL money he’s already collected from his various commitments?

“If you’re good enough, they let you do it. Grab em by the NIL.”

 

[OrangeXtreme]

What is up with my boy Lil Petar? Is he back officially?

He has not entered "La Porte" as of now.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Right, we are making all these plans based on the presumption that the settlement that will allow schools to pay players directly goes through.

As of now, NIL is still technically between third parties, and also technically not tied to any school. So, as a player I could start an NIL deal today, allow whatever auto dealer to use my name for a while, collect a hefty paycheck even though (wink wink) the NIL isn’t attached to attending any school.

After the first few checks clear, and my appearances tied to the NIL by contract clear, then I go get another, bigger deal, fronted with a signing bonus of course.

There’s a top football player, a ‘26 recruit, that has already committed to five schools, including Syracuse for a few minutes. He is currently between commitments.

I wonder how much NIL money he’s already collected from his various commitments?

“If you’re good enough, they let you do it. Grab em by the NIL.”

The NCAA agreed to let NIL be pay for play in the TN case recently, too. So it's not even contingent on the house settlement.

Final settlement approved between NCAA and TN over NIL recruiting rules

The AG said student-athletes will now be able to negotiate NIL compensation before committing to a specific school as part of the settlement.

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