Duke Postgame Thread

[Blanko97]

In addition to having a backup QB start, think having a younger team that feeling high after last week's game played a role here.

Also was disappointed with the defensive gameplan, Duke has a nice offense but felt like they were always a step ahead.

It’s the role of the coaches to make sure that doesn’t happen

 

[syrBossHogg]

I was told than Fran would not let that happen. There would be no letdown!

Fran can say what he wants but he can't control 50+ other men

 

[orange_in_VA]

ERob has been dogshizz for the most of 18 games now but what I learned today is that Nixon can't actually make his system work with anyone off the street. Lol

 

[IthacaMatt]

I’m relatively convinced Collins isn’t the quality to be a D1 starting QB, let alone P4. I hope he turns it around and I’m wrong, but I think he’s looked bad every time he’s played

He made a handful of 10-20 yard completions on slants and over the middle. He throws a nice wheel route. He can hit guys from time to time. But when it comes to hitting targets, he's like a pitcher with poor control. He can get the ball in a catchable range, but it's often on the wrong shoulder, or half a step behind. Part of that is timing and getting used to game speed. I think he can be reasonably good. Just don't ask him to be a downfield passer. He's not good enough at that and will make too many mistakes.

 

[tep624]

A road trip might be just what the team needs. Brutal day today.

 

[IthacaMatt]

bottom line -- Duke is a better team than we are

Our defense was trash, and they have been bad most of the year. They made plays against Clemson and managed a lead. But even then, they gave up a ton of yards late.

 

[sufan59]

Nixon can't actually make his system work with anyone off the street. Lol

At least at first, but yeah Collins did not perform close to Angeli in his first start and even further away from McCord.

 

[orange_in_VA]

A road trip might be just what the team needs. Brutal day today.

Now that's what I call Optimism

 

[Mchandl8]

He made a handful of 10-20 yard completions on slants and over the middle. He throws a nice wheel route. He can hit guys from time to time. But when it comes to hitting targets, he's like a pitcher with poor control. He can get the ball in a catchable range, but it's often on the wrong shoulder, or half a step behind. Part of that is timing and getting used to game speed. I think he can be reasonably good. Just don't ask him to be a downfield passer. He's not good enough at that and will make too many mistakes.

To me it seems he’ll throw about 3-4 ok-good passes, then throw a horrendous pass… Also he has a receiver picked before the snap and will only throw to him

 

[PeteCalvin]

The first INT killed us, and it wasn’t totally on Collins. That ball was tipped from behind at the last second by the DE who got through the back side. That’s why the throwing motion and the duck in the air didn’t jive. We should have scored on that drive and been up 7-0. It was downhill from there.

I’m absolutely disgusted with the refs and the interpretation of targeting in our last two games. Angeli took two friggin hits to the head area, and Cook got rung today. There should have been an ejection in each game. The called fumble on Cooks’ play made the no-call on targeting that much more frustrating.

 

[capeorange]

I think the $25k fine took us out of the game.

On D we were afraid to fake injuries to slow dook down.

 

[Offthedome]

Our best guys are young. Samuel showed his youth today.

This may seem like a stretch, but I coached travel softball for 5 years. We always had our girls play up an age group. When they were 12 we played 14U. When they were 14 we played 16U, etc. That first year in every bracket was tough. The head coach kept lamenting how bad we were and I kept telling hiim, wait until next year; we're going to be really good. They had to play through the lumps to get better. Each next year we were winning tournaments. I see this the same way. This season will have glimpses of what they can do, and also days like today where they get whipped like kids.

I agree that the defense needs new leadership and a different identity, but this team will be tough next year. Maybe you do need to put Carney in there to play through his youth as well.

 

[PeteCalvin]

To me it seems he’ll throw about 3-4 ok-good passes, then throw a horrendous pass… Also he has a receiver picked before the snap and will only throw to him

He was throwing better later in the game. His 4th down pass to the 1 that was called OOB is one that Angeli would have placed high and about 3 yards inside the sideline. Probably would have been a TD.

Oh well

 

[IthacaMatt]

To me it seems he’ll throw about 3-4 ok-good passes, then throw a horrendous pass… Also he has a receiver picked before the snap and will only throw to him

Yes he has to move his head around. That one pick was totally the safety reading his eyes. Even if you know you are going to your first read, at least look away first, even if it's fake. Just for a moment, to make them twitch and react in the secondary. Gives your guy an extra step, and an extra moment for you to make the throw.

 

[cuseguy]

No sugarcoating this game. It was a beat down against an average Duke team. The goal now is to develop a backup QB and shoring up the defense. We need pass rushers and breakaway backs. We’re a long way from being a serious ACC challenger. Brown isn’t going anywhere. It’s all about next year.

 

[Cuse House]

bottom line -- Duke is a better team than we are

Maybe but they aren’t 35 points better and I would argue this is a game we win with Steve. We had receivers wide open all day.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The first INT killed us, and it wasn’t totally on Collins. That ball was tipped from behind at the last second by the DE who got through the back side. That’s why the throwing motion and the duck in the air didn’t jive. We should have scored on that drive and been up 7-0. It was downhill from there.

I’m absolutely disgusted with the refs and the interpretation of targeting in our last two games. Angeli took two friggin hits to the head area, and Cook got rung today. There should have been an ejection in each game. The called fumble on Cooks’ play made the no-call on targeting that much more frustrating.

We did get about 4 sweet calls early, though. We just couldn't cash in on them.

 

[Blanko97]

Listening to Fran’s post game presser I really hate the idea of “everything happens for a reason.” I know it’s a common saying for religious folk, but it feels like a cop out at times when it comes to roles like head Coach

 

[djorange1989]

Unless Angeli transfers(I don’t think he will) he is our starter next year. So, what’s the point in keeping Rickie as the starter this year if he sucks next week too? I know Carney is a true freshman but can he look worse? The D just blows, I don’t know how we find 3 more wins without great QB play.

 

[JKinUtah]

Not a single positive takeaway from this game.

It did wrap up in just over 3 hours. So there’s that.

 

[djorange1989]

I feel uneasy throwing another QB in with how bad our d is but after that, so be it

I get it but no way we get to 6 with Rickie and this defense. I have no idea what Carney can do but we can’t throw the season away if Rickie is bad again next week

 

[IthacaMatt]

Unless Angeli transfers(I don’t think he will) he is our starter next year. So, what’s the point in keeping Rickie as the starter this year if he sucks next week too? I know Carney is a true freshman but can he look worse? The D just blows, I don’t know how we find 3 more wins without great QB play.

Because players get better, and players get hurt. How long have you been a fan? A pretty long time, right? We've had like 3 seasons in the last 20 years where we didn't lose at least 1 QB.

The defense is awful tackling in the open field. It's unbelievable how bad they are.

 

[baggerbob]

Our best guys are young. Samuel showed his youth today.

This may seem like a stretch, but I coached travel softball for 5 years. We always had our girls play up an age group. When they were 12 we played 14U. When they were 14 we played 16U, etc. That first year in every bracket was tough. The head coach kept lamenting how bad we were and I kept telling hiim, wait until next year; we're going to be really good. They had to play through the lumps to get better. Each next year we were winning tournaments. I see this the same way. This season will have glimpses of what they can do, and also days like today where they get whipped like kids.

I agree that the defense needs new leadership and a different identity, but this team will be tough next year. Maybe you do need to put Carney in there to play through his youth as well.

The real problem with playing Collins after today is if you go on the road against SMU, and Collins doesn't do well you can lose the entire team.
In the 3 games he has played he hasn't shown the team he is capable of being a leader.

 

[JKinUtah]

We should have faked more injuries to kill their momentum. Right Cade?

 

[sufan59]

You give Rickie next week before you even think of any radical change to the system or QB.