Duke Postgame Thread

[Sammy407]

He is going to start next week, whether you like it or not,

It's a 5 month season, and you have to develop players, not just replace them.

And you don't throw them away after 1 game. There is a locker room of young men who make up this team. That's not what these coaches stand for.

None of these guys are disposable - to the coaches, or to each other. These guys, most of them, are friends. You pull for each other. You are all trying to get better.

He had 2 years at LSU to develop under Brian Kelly and all summer to learn the offense, he's just a bad QB, plain and simple.

 

[Scooch]

Two questions:

1. Don't you really need it to be more like at least 8 yards per attempt to be considered good?

2. How many of the second half yards were due to Duke playing soft so that they could just keep the clock going and not give up something stupid deep? I'm not trying to be contrary. I actually didn't watch the second half. If the offense was that much better, shouldn't we have scored?

I just looked and Collins had 53 passing yards on the last drive that ended at the 2 on 4th down. When Duke was up 38-3. None of his second half stats are meaningful.

 

[Newhouser]

After the first pick and watching their O tear us up, I would have told Willis to strap it up you're getting it 45 times and we are going on every 4th down.

 

[bothsocksup]

Everyone chill out. It was a crap game. No flow, the turnovers all killed promising drives. Collins throws a good ball, it’ll take him time for things to slow down a little. The defense is lacking playmakers and they get exposed. The key to our defense is the offense. It’s been that way for two years now. Give Collins a minute to figure things out and let’s see how it plays out

 

[PAcuse]

I just can’t agree with your analogy. Last year LeQuint Allen was a Dino guy. Trebor Pena was a Dino guy. Oronde Gadsden, Darrell Gill, Dan Villari, Justin Baron, Marlowe Wax, Alijah Clark, Jayden Bellamy, Derek McDonald, Jack Stonehouse… all Dino recruits. That’s not just one good knife in a dilapidated kitchen.

Now, Fran’s hiring kept most of them at SU when I suspect most would have bolted had Dino been retained. And of course he brought in McCord who was by farrrrr the biggest reason we won 10 games last year.

I’m not criticizing Fran at all. He nailed it. But the cupboard was not bare. He had a lot to work with, and added some great guys to take that over the top.

This wasn’t Marrone taking over for Robinson.

Fair enough — there were some quality ingredients left from Dino’s time. But ingredients aren’t a meal. Fran still had to keep them from transferring, plug holes, install a new system, and rebuild depth. That’s a rebuild, even if it’s not as bleak as Marrone/Robinson (Marrone also inherited some great players from Robinson).

 

[UpstateSM]

In honor of the boys' performance today I am going to throw up on my shoes before the end of this open bar reception

 

[Cusefan78]

Not sure why so much of the conversation is about the defense. Duke’s offense is good, they were going to put up points.

The problem here is the inability for Rickie to produce winning plays. This is was an offense whose lowest point total in was game was 26 pts under Angeli. Rickie couldn’t lead the team to a single touchdown against a mediocre to bad Duke defense.

The completions that Rickie threw, even the easy ones, were often off target and off time. He does not process quickly and doesn’t see the field well. He throws a lot of balls that are going to get guys crushed. We have to make some major changes in the offense if we’re going to stick with Rickie.

Poor cook got killed today because of the inaccurate passes

 

[VA Citrus]

Willis always looks good. How does he never end up with 20 carries? Can't we just get him the ball five straight times to wear out a defense?

 

[javadoc]

I am sad, and don’t have anything to add that will elevate the discussion.

 

[wiseman3]

At least we got our weekly Javon Baltimore reference... /s

 

[anomander]

Everyone chill out. It was a crap game. No flow, the turnovers all killed promising drives. Collins throws a good ball, it’ll take him time for things to slow down a little. The defense is lacking playmakers and they get exposed. The key to our defense is the offense. It’s been that way for two years now. Give Collins a minute to figure things out and let’s see how it plays out

He absolutely does not throw a good ball. He has a good arm, but that doesn’t mean he throws a good ball. Look at him and look at Mensah. That’s what a good ball looks like.

 

[IthacaMatt]

see you in a couple weeks.
(he played last week and wasn't great either)

As a general proposition, players get better with experience, right?
I'm not saying he's an NFL prospect, but he's also new at this.

They say players make the most improvement over their first four games, and then from their first year to second year in a program.

People were ripping on Angeli after we got beat by Tennessee.
Three weeks later he was leading the country in throwing.

Let's hope for the best.
We all know there is reason for major concern.

But teams don't have the luxury of releasing players, or destroying their role on the team, just because they have one bad game. This isn't the NFL where you release a place kicker after he loses the game.

People who have been on teams for several years with a somewhat changing, but mostly consistent group of guys is how athletes grow into better people. It's a big part of making friends for life. You get to know guys by being a part of a team better than any other way I've experienced.

To build culture, you have to support each other in hard times. Yes, hold people accountable, but they didn't have a bad game on purpose.

 

[tptcuse]

He absolutely does not throw a good ball. He has a good arm, but that doesn’t mean he throws a good ball. Look at him and look at Mensah. That’s what a good ball looks like.

And he telegraphs everything. I know nothing about Xs and Os and I knew exactly who he was going to pass to at the beginning of every snap.

 

[IthacaMatt]

He had 2 years at LSU to develop under Brian Kelly and all summer to learn the offense, he's just a bad QB, plain and simple.

Guys said similar stuff about Angeli after we lost at Tennessee. Go look it up.

"He's not tall enough, he's not good enough, we should have started Collins."

 

[IthacaMatt]

And he telegraphs everything. I know nothing about Xs and Os and I knew exactly who he was going to pass to at the beginning of every snap.

Lots of guys do that. They do it when the game is still too fast for them, and they're just trying to make a play and not screw it up. They are not confident enough yet, or not experienced or poised enough, or not getting enough time from the OL to look to the 2nd or 3rd read. Many factors go into it. Not everybody has it on Day One. In fact, most don't. It happens over time, every time athletes move up a level in every sport/

 

[sufandu]

After the first pick and watching their O tear us up, I would have told Willis to strap it up you're getting it 45 times and we are going on every 4th down.

Yeah. 11 carries is stupid. I know we were way behind, but Rickie wasn't throwing us back into the game.

 

[anomander]

Guys said similar stuff about Angeli after we lost at Tennessee. Go look it up.

"He's not tall enough, he's not good enough, we should have started Collins."

We moved the ball up and down the field against one of the better defenses in the country. If you can’t tell the difference between a decent QB and what we saw at home today then i don’t know what to tell you. Duke one of the worst pass defenses at home and Tennessee on a neutral field are 2 totally different monsters.

 

[sufandu]

We moved the ball up and down the field against one of the better defenses in the country. If you can’t tell the difference between a decent QB and what we saw at home today then i don’t know what to tell you. Duke one of the worst pass defenses at home and Tennessee on a neutral field are 2 totally different monsters.

I had questions about Angeli, but I also saw flashes. And he only had fall camp (and informally the summer) to get comfortable with everything. Collins has not shown the same flashes, and he was here all spring.