Dungey's incomplete pass for a touchdown

[RICuse44]

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned it. I guess too many pitchforks out to fire all the coaches.

Someone though explain to me how that is a fumble. I could see getting it wrong in real time- despite it contradicting the laws of physics. But how do you get the replay wrong and say that his arm isn't going forward?

 

[Libero2]

I believe it's one of the 50-50 calls that visual evidence couldn't truly overturn either way and the call on the field "stands" which is not the same as "confirmed"

Either we poor call that cost us 7 points

 

[Orangetradition44]

But that's what I don't understand... How is that NOT enough visual evidence. The hit was from dungey's left and the tackler pulled his arm down. Clear shot on video. The ball was NOT touched by the tackle. Clear shot on video. Dungeys arm was going forward which is why the ball went 7 yards downfield. Clear shot on the video.

I have no idea how that is 50/50.

We just seem a bit cursed for the last decade. Hell, they beat us by scoring 44 points. Salt in the wound.

I believe it's one of the 50-50 calls that visual evidence couldn't truly overturn either way and the call on the field "stands" which is not the same as "confirmed" Either we poor call that cost us 7 points

 

[TheCusian]

In my drunken stupor last night I imagined a secret deal where we don't get calls in our first games vs old school ACC schools.

Crazy, I know.

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Also reminded me of 2012 (hullo Alsacs!) vs Cinci where a fumble was ruled weird. BE parting gift?!

 

[sabach]

It is hard to imagine a ball going 8 yards down field if the arm is not going forward. All the players were waiting for a whistle. Even the announcers who were visibly calling the game from the UVA perspective did not know what was going on.

 

[KellySyracuse]

you knew when they were taking so long to review that it wasn't going to go our way. We got hosed on that call

 

[K Otto XLIV]

I thought it was a fumble. The ball was coming out before his arm was forward.

 

[Syracusian]

I watched the replay a bunch of times, and it really was one of the closest calls that I've seen. His arm going forward doesn't mean much at all. What matters is whether or not he possesses the ball while his arm is coming forward. He loses control of the ball and his arm begins to come forward almost simultaneously. He still had the ball in his hand/in front of his hand, but doesn't control it. In that circumstance, it'd be very difficult to conclusively say that the call should be overturned. Which is why it was called the way it was after the review.

 

[Orangeman]

One things for sure: Dungey loses the ball a lot for some reason.

We should steel ourselves to 1 or 2 of these plays per game going forward.

Educate the team to play through the whistle

 

[Cusefan78]

As soon as that was ruled a fumble on the field I knew that was never getting overturned. What bothers me is the ball clearly went forward and had a spiral look to it so that means he had enough control of the ball to push it forward and release it. We aren't getting calls just have to deal with them

 

[cuseguy]

The way things transpired in the first half yesterday we should have known it would end the way it did.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned it. I guess too many pitchforks out to fire all the coaches.

Someone though explain to me how that is a fumble. I could see getting it wrong in real time- despite it contradicting the laws of physics. But how do you get the replay wrong and say that his arm isn't going forward?

Because Higgins and Burr said so.

 

[PeteCalvin]

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned it. I guess too many pitchforks out to fire all the coaches.

Someone though explain to me how that is a fumble. I could see getting it wrong in real time- despite it contradicting the laws of physics. But how do you get the replay wrong and say that his arm isn't going forward?

And the ball had a somewhat forward trajectory, which means he was hit right at the point of release.

 

[SoBeCuse]

I thought it was a fumble. The ball was coming out before his arm was forward.

Close but I thought this as well. We lost because the defense couldn't get off the field when it mattered. Their OL and RBs started to dominate towards the end. Facemask penalty was a huge play...ugh.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

And the ball had a somewhat forward trajectory, which means he was hit right at the point of release.

Back and to the left.

There might have been a 2nd thrower.

 

[anglerman]

His arm was going forward. I've never seen that called a fumble.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I watched the replay a bunch of times, and it really was one of the closest calls that I've seen. His arm going forward doesn't mean much at all. What matters is whether or not he possesses the ball while his arm is coming forward. He loses control of the ball and his arm begins to come forward almost simultaneously. He still had the ball in his hand/in front of his hand, but doesn't control it. In that circumstance, it'd be very difficult to conclusively say that the call should be overturned. Which is why it was called the way it was after the review.

I've seen the same thing happen a bunch and don't ever remember the call being a fumble. It was bizarre.

 

[JarHeadJim]

How any replay official in the world would call that a fumble and not a forward pass.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Back and to the left.

There might have been a 2nd thrower.

I only saw one angle of the throw. The officials must have confiscated the other film angles, so a second thrower is possible.

 

[retro44]

The way I looked at that call is that any pass that went downfield and the Q.B. was hit as he was throwing it is then a fumble in this league. I thought for sure it would be overturned, no more gray areas on these plays.

He hit his freaking arm and not the ball and the ball crosses the line of scrimmage a fair distance down the field......Some southern homecooking on the play

The only way that is a legit fumble if the defensive lineman hits up under the ball to knock it that far downfield

 

[Syracusian]

I think a lot of you are missing the point here.

The quarterback needs to have control of the ball and have his arm going forward for it to be considered an incomplete pass. Saying that his arm was going forward was a given, obviously. However, he didn't have possession of the football during this period, therefore, it was ruled a fumble. I think the main thing you guys are hung up on is the fact that the ball went forward, which doesn't matter in the slightest. You have to possess it.

I've seen this happen a lot in the NFL and college. However, I do not recall a time in which it was so close to having his arm move forward and the ball come loose simultaneously.

The ruling on the field was what cost us. When the referee looked at it, he too thought it was too close to call, which is why it wasn't confirmed.

 

[Chip]

I thought it was a fumble. The ball was coming out before his arm was forward.

I think the problem was all about the call on the field. They said "play stands" not "play confirmed". If they had called it a pass, they wouldn't have overturned. It was too close. I don't get how people think it was obvious.

Since the call on the field is so important, my hope is that if the ball goes forward, they should err on the side that it was a pass. (Unless that works against us too someday).

 

[Cuseman78]

I think a lot of you are missing the point here.

The quarterback needs to have control of the ball and have his arm going forward for it to be considered an incomplete pass. Saying that his arm was going forward was a given, obviously. However, he didn't have possession of the football during this period, therefore, it was ruled a fumble.

I've seen this happen a lot in the NFL and college. However, I do not recall a time in which it was so close to having his arm move forward and the ball come loose simultaneously.

The ruling on the field was what cost us. When the referee looked at it, he too thought it was too close to call, which is why it wasn't confirmed.

Spot on. He had been hit when he started his motion forward. Obviously the momentum of his arm propelled the ball forward, but that was not a controlled motion. I thought it was a rather clear fumble and certainly wasnt overturnable after the original call.

 

[djorange1989]

I thought it was a bad call but we blew the game. Couldn't get a big stop at the end of regulation with multiple chances to do so. The 4th and goal trick play call. Other missed opportunities in the first half. We never should have lost anyway.

 

[rrlbees]

I thought it was a fumble. The ball was coming out before his arm was forward.

I agree. Watched it in slow motion several times. The defender had his elbow before the arm was going forward and the ball started coming out. It was bang bang.