Ed Orgeron thread...

[phil77]

Coach O would most likely be retained by whomever replaces Miles if it happens.

Right so then it becomes does he want to be DL coach at LSU or ACH and DC at Syracuse. His call.

 

[bothsocksup]

Eddie O is looking for the HC job

 

[Crusty]

Right so then it becomes does he want to be DL coach at LSU or ACH and DC at Syracuse. His call.

When he was at USC he lived in a motel across from campus so that he could keep his family in Louisiana. He might be hard to get out of there for anything less than HC. Maybe throw in a room at the new Dome Hotel!

 

[tep624]

Coach O as DC/AHC/RC under someone like Frost would be an absolute home run. I don't know how realistic it is but man, that would show that the BOT is serious about winning and that Coyle is a great strategist.

Besides the obvious strengths O has with recruiting and the strong programs he's been on the defensive staff at, you also have a possibility of a "coach in waiting" situation if/when the young hot shot wants to move on. But it also gives time for the young hot shot to instill an offensive system that works and recruit for that system, so that O's role as HC could be very similar to P's in that he takes over and keeps the system intact and maintained.

Again, don't know how realistic but this is the dream scenario for me. And I'd love to see at least a few from the group of Daoust/Lea/Smith/Acosta retained.

 

[SUFan44]

Context. Most agree LSU is kind of nuts for letting go of Miles. It's not like the DL wasn't good.

And I repeat - I didn't look this up, but exactly zero coaches have gone from DL coach on a staff that is let go to a head coach at a Power 5 school. Just a guess, but I'm about 99% sure I'm correct.

That's quite a leap, no matter how good a recruiter you are.

Don't think that's a realistic play for him.

 

[jekelish]

Eddie O is looking for the HC job

I'm looking to win Power Ball. Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

 

[tep624]

And I repeat - I didn't look this up, but exactly zero coaches have gone from DL coach on a staff that is let go to a head coach at a Power 5 school. Just a guess, but I'm about 99% sure I'm correct.

That's quite a leap, no matter how good a recruiter you are.

Don't think that's a realistic play for him.

And perhaps that is why the DC/AHC thing makes some sense.

Plus, this program gave Ed O a lifeline when his career was in tatters. Maybe he is interested in returning the favor.

 

[baggerbob]

And perhaps that is why the DC/AHC thing makes some sense.

Plus, this program gave Ed O a lifeline when his career was in tatters. Maybe he is interested in returning the favor.

If Frost is the guy, Ed O gives him a leg up. A good recruiter, who knows defense, someone who can get the type of players, on both sides of the ball.

 

[tep624]

If Frost is the guy, Ed O gives him a leg up. A good recruiter, who knows defense, someone who can get the type of players, on both sides of the ball.

It's a great way to mitigate some of the risk of having a first time HC. And it also mitigates the risk of some of the offensive weaknesses that O had as a HC. It allows both to focus on their strengths. I would be ecstatic if this plays out.

 

[Crusty]

Apologies if this has been posted before. Bebe is reportedly a favorite for the Louisiana More HC job.

 

[BlazeOrange]

BTW Coach O has never been a coordinator.

Interesting. That could counter the idea that his lobbying for the HC job reduces the chance of getting him another way, although that still concerns me.

If Frost (or other offensive HC candidate) buys in*, this could be a Win-Win-Win:

- AHC/DC O gets to run his own defense for the first time and is in line for promotion if the new HC uses us as a stepping stone.

- New HC gets a top recruiter with HC experience to lean on that also allows him to focus on fixing the offense. He can install his guy (think his version of Daoust, if not Daoust himself) as a defensive assistant to learn from O and promote to DC if O turns out to be a short-timer, as a factory could go after him as DC after he proves himself here.

- SU gets a shiny offensive system and an up & coming coach plus an experienced HC on staff, along with a fallback plan if the new guy moves on soon.

*All discussions of staffing, whether it's who to bring in or who to retain from the current staff should have the disclaimer that we can make suggestions, but the head man has the final sayso on his coordinators and assistants.

 

[Crusty]

Interesting. That could counter the idea that his lobbying for the HC job reduces the chance of getting him another way, although that still concerns me.

If Frost (or other offensive HC candidate) buys in*, this could be a Win-Win-Win:

- AHC/DC O gets to run his own defense for the first time and is in line for promotion if the new HC uses us as a stepping stone.

- New HC gets a top recruiter with HC experience to lean on that also allows him to focus on fixing the offense. He can install his guy (think his version of Daoust, if not Daoust himself) as a defensive assistant to learn from O and promote to DC if O turns out to be a short-timer, as a factory could go after him as DC after he proves himself here.

- SU gets a shiny offensive system and an up & coming coach plus an experienced HC on staff, along with a fallback plan if the new guy moves on soon.

*All discussions of staffing, whether it's who to bring in or who to retain from the current staff should have the disclaimer that we can make suggestions, but the head man has the final sayso on his coordinators and assistants.

Iirc Bebe has turned down coordinator jobs in the past. Not sure why, but he enjoys coaching the line.

 

[texascpa]

Apologies if this has been posted before. Bebe is reportedly a favorite for the Louisiana More HC job.

Lousiana More or Lousiana Monroe? Any why would he take that job?

 

[007]

I think this is more realistic than people realize.

Based on...? I am not calling you out at all, just curious as to what makes you think this is realistic. Getting EO would be a homeroom on multiple fronts. However, I gotta think that EO only comes here as a HC.

 

[WoadBlue]

My wife is an Ole Miss grad, and we live much closer to Oxford than Chapel Hill. So I keep up with Rebels football fairly well. What I picked up about Orgeron at Ole Miss is that he was unprepared to be HC at that level. He might have been ready to be HC at a MAC school. but he was not ready for a P5 HC job. He was overwhelmed. He did a great job amassing talent,l because Houston Nutt won immediately. But Orgeron could not organize himself to win.

His time as SC interim HC may well have provided the testing under fire that means he could be a top HC. Orgeron at Ole Miss spoke well of his time as Syracuse DL coach, so I think he may really want the HC job there.

I agree with those who say there is no way Orgeron goes to Syracuse as a DC. He might take another DC job, but only at a major football name brand, like LSU.

 

[Crusty]

Lousiana More or Lousiana Monroe? Any why would he take that job?

Lol yes, Louisiana Monroe. Read in one of the thousands of blogs about the coaching carousel. I can see him wanting it because he really wants to be a HC and he would be close to home.

 

[tbonezone]

great great defensive line coach. but i'm not sold on him calling the whole caboodle.

 

[Blood Orange]

Everyone so fixed on offense while we gave up 500yds how many times this year? 40+pts how many times this year?

THIS! I know everyone wants the shiny objects but man the Defense was a disaster this year.

 

[OrangePA]

Because he was in The Blind Side:

Great recruiter - solid DL coach - knows Syracuse University Football - wants to be here - showed very good HC development at USC as interim coach and has a name that will draw national attention.

I would have no problem bringing Ed Orgeron back to Syracuse University.

 

[Blood Orange]

Great recruiter - solid DL coach - knows Syracuse University Football - wants to be here - showed very good HC development at USC as interim coach and has a name that will draw national attention.

I would have no problem bringing Ed Orgeron back to Syracuse University.

And he had no chance at getting the HC job at USC no matter what he did. I remember watching the first game they played after Kiffin was fired and was the interim. They beat Stanford I believe on a National game and after they won the players carried him off the field on their shoulders. I think players like him. And he can recruit. Beggars can't be choosers here. The guy wants to be here. And he has HC experience. There are worse choices our there.

 

[WoadBlue]

And he had no chance at getting the HC job at USC no matter what he did. I remember watching the first game they played after Kiffin was fired and was the interim. They beat Stanford I believe on a National game and after they won the players carried him off the field on their shoulders. I think players like him. And he can recruit. Beggars can't be choosers here. The guy wants to be here. And he has HC experience. There are worse choices our there.

There are many worse choices out there, especially for Syracuse. Orgeron has coached there and already knows your football history. He also has coached at Miami.

 

[tipphill]

i would consult coach pp on eddie o. he has worked with him and i value his opinion. i believe eddie o. would be a good fit at su and he did very well at usc filling in. pp rescued him from oblivion, and imho pp would provide good insight as to his character and fit at su---pp is of the highest caliber and a good resource.

 

[Rocco]

We do not need Eddie O as our HC. That would be ungood IMO.

He's recruited some stars over his years, but it's easier to do that at USC, LSU and Ole Miss.

We need to focus on an offensive guy and retain Daoust as DC. Just my own personal wishlist.

 

[PAcuse]

Coach PP I lol'd

 

[StCuse315]

This is the guy that we need. Head coaching experience, ties to Syracuse and connections all over the country to bring in a stellar staff that can recruit anywhere...thoughts?