Eddie Lampkin

[Eric15]

Of scholarship players that are currently part of the rotation, Eddie is...

1st in Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
1st in True Shooting Percentage
1st in Offensive Win Shares
1st in Defensive Win Shares
1st in Total Win Shares
2nd in Win Shares per 40 minutes (behind Jyare)
1st in Box Plus Minus (BPM)

 

[Nicknack]

I've had my frustrations at times with Eddie, and to be honest, some of that comes from the fact that he doubled up on us for NIL, wears 44 when he really didn't earn that number, and is out of shape. That aside, there are so many other issues outside of Eddie. He's been a good player for us and clearly has passion for the game and winning. He brings energy and hunger that I wish others on the teams would. He and Cuffe are the energizers for sure. I respect what Eddie brings to the team.

 

[BomberOrange]

Of scholarship players that are currently part of the rotation, Eddie is...

1st in Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
1st in True Shooting Percentage
1st in Offensive Win Shares
1st in Defensive Win Shares
1st in Total Win Shares
2nd in Win Shares per 40 minutes (behind Jyare)
1st in Box Plus Minus (BPM)

I have no idea what any of that stuff means, but being 1st and 2nd in all those categories must be a good thing.

 

[Nicknack]

I have no idea what any of that stuff means, but being 1st and 2nd in all those categories must be a good thing.

Ha. That's exactly how I felt so I just moved on.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Of scholarship players that are currently part of the rotation, Eddie is...

1st in Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
1st in True Shooting Percentage
1st in Offensive Win Shares
1st in Defensive Win Shares
1st in Total Win Shares
2nd in Win Shares per 40 minutes (behind Jyare)
1st in Box Plus Minus (BPM)

All these mental weaklings just using the eye test with Lampkin and writing him off. I am of a superior intellect and have always gone by the advanced stats. Eye test is for the casuals and will never tell the whole story. Have to look at the advanced metrics to get a sense of how good a player is.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Of scholarship players that are currently part of the rotation, Eddie is...

1st in Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
1st in True Shooting Percentage
1st in Offensive Win Shares
1st in Defensive Win Shares
1st in Total Win Shares
2nd in Win Shares per 40 minutes (behind Jyare)
1st in Box Plus Minus (BPM)

Yeah, Eddie has been about the same as he was in Colorado. That he's statistically our best player is not good for the team as a whole.

 

[djcon57]

Of scholarship players that are currently part of the rotation, Eddie is...

1st in Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
1st in True Shooting Percentage
1st in Offensive Win Shares
1st in Defensive Win Shares
1st in Total Win Shares
2nd in Win Shares per 40 minutes (behind Jyare)
1st in Box Plus Minus (BPM)

Even a team that's 0-20 has a leading scorer.

If you want to say that he's "not the problem", I guess I would agree...to a degree...except that he's our highest paid player and the team is .500.

 

[DoctahLexus]

That he's statistically our best player is not good for the team as a whole.

Even a team that's 0-20 has a leading scorer.

If you want to say that he's "not the problem", I guess I would agree...to a degree...except that he's our highest paid player and the team is .500.

I agree with these takes, but aside from the highest paid aspect of things, think both of these points apply to Freeman as well.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I think he would have done well if the coach emphasized defense.

Eddie and JJ to go with 3 great defenders as your starting lineup and then the likes of Moore and Freeman off the bench is one of the better teams in the ACC. The worst coach in the ACC ensured this wasn't what we were given until 2+ months into the season.

 

[tbonezone]

for all you golfers out there imagine being able to chip onto the green and discovering that the pin is stuck into a 3 foot diameter hole. well that's our interior defense when eddie's in the middle. easy tap in. and he don't foul.

 

[MikeSU02]

Of scholarship players that are currently part of the rotation, Eddie is...

1st in Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
1st in True Shooting Percentage
1st in Offensive Win Shares
1st in Defensive Win Shares
1st in Total Win Shares
2nd in Win Shares per 40 minutes (behind Jyare)
1st in Box Plus Minus (BPM)

You aren't counting Donnie. I get it, but let's be real. You are showing this relative to our other current players (again, outside of Donnie). In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

3.9 BPM? 18.1 PER for a big guy? 57.9% TS% (again, for a big guy?).

Let's compare against Maliq for fun! This year Eddie vs Last Year Maliq.

Eddie/Maliq
PER: 18.1 / 22.0
TS%: 57.9% / 72.3%
O/WS and D/WS / Total WS I am not doing because it's aggregate and season isn't done to be fair to Eddie.
WS/40: .109 / .183
BPM: 3.9 / 7.4

Let's do some more trad stats:
PPG: 10.1 / 9.5
APG: 2.5 / 1.8
RPG: 8.2 / 7.2

Your post proves that our team isn't good. Both with talent and coaching.

But good on Eddie for leading in a bunch of stuff, unless you count Donnie who is our best player.

 

[Eric15]

You aren't counting Donnie. I get it, but let's be real. You are showing this relative to our other current players (again, outside of Donnie). In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

3.9 BPM? 18.1 PER for a big guy? 57.9% TS% (again, for a big guy?).

Let's compare against Maliq for fun! This year Eddie vs Last Year Maliq.

Eddie/Maliq
PER: 18.1 / 22.0
TS%: 57.9% / 72.3%
O/WS and D/WS / Total WS I am not doing because it's aggregate and season isn't done to be fair to Eddie.
WS/40: .109 / .183
BPM: 3.9 / 7.4

Let's do some more trad stats:
PPG: 10.1 / 9.5
APG: 2.5 / 1.8
RPG: 8.2 / 7.2

Your post proves that our team isn't good. Both with talent and coaching.

But good on Eddie for leading in a bunch of stuff, unless you count Donnie who is our best player.

When I said "are currently part of the rotation" I wasn't counting Donnie since he's injured and who knows if we'll ever see him again.

I don't disagree with anything else you wrote. I'm just saying of all our problems, Eddie is relatively speaking one of the smaller ones (no pun intended since he's physically enormous).

 

[DoctahLexus]

You aren't counting Donnie. I get it, but let's be real. You are showing this relative to our other current players (again, outside of Donnie). In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

3.9 BPM? 18.1 PER for a big guy? 57.9% TS% (again, for a big guy?).

Let's compare against Maliq for fun! This year Eddie vs Last Year Maliq.

Eddie/Maliq
PER: 18.1 / 22.0
TS%: 57.9% / 72.3%
O/WS and D/WS / Total WS I am not doing because it's aggregate and season isn't done to be fair to Eddie.
WS/40: .109 / .183
BPM: 3.9 / 7.4

Let's do some more trad stats:
PPG: 10.1 / 9.5
APG: 2.5 / 1.8
RPG: 8.2 / 7.2

Your post proves that our team isn't good. Both with talent and coaching.

But good on Eddie for leading in a bunch of stuff, unless you count Donnie who is our best player.

Statistically, Donnie is not boatloads better than Eddie in any of these areas. Eddie is actually the better player defensively according to the stats. Even Donnies blocking percentage is lower than Eddies, which is frankly shocking, even with Donnie being a rookie. Eddie is tied or better than Donnie in offensive/defensive win shares and total win shares.

Maliq dwarfs Donnie in these stat comparisons too. Donnie is miles ahead of Eddie in terms of his ceiling as a player, but right now neither are getting it done at a remotely passable level. If Donnie deserves a pat on the back despite the stats, which people seem to be arguing for in his thread, then so does Eddie.

 

[djcon57]

If Donnie deserves a pat on the back despite the stats, which people seem to be arguing for in his thread, then so does Eddie.

My only push back on that is Donnie is 19 and Eddie is 23. One's issues should be somewhat expected

The major problem we constantly have here is assuming a top frosh is gonna be like 18 and 10. Donnie was doing about what we should have expected offensively. Defensively, he's been a disappointment, imo.

 

[MikeSU02]

When I said "are currently part of the rotation" I wasn't counting Donnie since he's injured and who knows if we'll ever see him again.

I don't disagree with anything else you wrote. I'm just saying of all our problems, Eddie is relatively speaking one of the smaller ones (no pun intended since he's physically enormous).

I'd argue with his NIL payment that he is one of our larger problems (no pun intended).

 

[MikeSU02]

Statistically, Donnie is not boatloads better than Eddie in any of these areas. Eddie is actually the better player defensively according to the stats. Even Donnies blocking percentage is lower than Eddies, which is frankly shocking, even with Donnie being a rookie. Eddie is tied or better than Donnie in offensive/defensive win shares and total win shares.

Maliq dwarfs Donnie in these stat comparisons too. Donnie is miles ahead of Eddie in terms of his ceiling as a player, but right now neither are getting it done at a remotely passable level. If Donnie deserves a pat on the back despite the stats, which people seem to be arguing for in his thread, then so does Eddie.

Who is getting paid more - Eddie or Donnie?

Sorry to be a pain, but this matters now.

 

[Sherman20]

True but remember when Magic ran the Lakers fast break Jabbar wasn't ever part of it. He was there offensively once it was a half court game.

What hurts is no one sprints down on this team and the quick outlet pass is a thing of the past.

Exactly. I mean, the center’s value is as a rim protector to block shots and start the fast breaks, and yes Eddie isn’t much of a shot blocker. But we don’t necessarily need Eddie running the floor on the break. That’s the job of the forwards and guards. We played very fast in 2003 and one of our two main centers was Craig Forth, who my friend and I used to call “brick feet” for the way he lumbered up and down the floor. It was Hak, Melo, Pace, Duany and the guards filling the lanes on the break.

 

[DoctahLexus]

Who is getting paid more - Eddie or Donnie?

Sorry to be a pain, but this matters now.

Putting eeeeverything aside for a moment, I actually do not know. How much are we paying Donnie?

 

[djcon57]

Exactly. I mean, the center’s value is as a rim protector to block shots and start the fast breaks, and yes Eddie isn’t much of a shot blocker. But we don’t necessarily need Eddie running the floor on the break. That’s the job of the forwards and guards. We played very fast in 2003 and one of our two main centers was Craig Forth, who my friend and I used to call “brick feet” for the way he lumbered up and down the floor. It was Hak, Melo, Pace, Duany and the guards filling the lanes on the break.

To note, the comparisons made ITT are to the 1980's lakers and 2003 Syracuse team.

So 45 years ago and 20 years ago.

Small ball centers have been in existence for some time now, most notably, Golden State won their first title 10 YEARS AGO.

Let's all move into 2025 basketball wise

 

[Eric15]

I'd argue with his NIL payment that he is one of our larger problems (no pun intended).

That's on us for not being good at evaluating talent. Eddie is producing exactly what a reasonable person would expect him to produce in Year #5 based on what he did in Year 1 through 4.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Who is getting paid more - Eddie or Donnie?

Sorry to be a pain, but this matters now.

Eddie by about 5 times as much if we go on what a bull(ish) poster has indicated. Either way guard and SF play has doomed this team. Eddie and Donnie were good enough at what they were supposed to do.

Going by Evan Miya, in the ACC, JJ is like the ~50th among 103 guards and small forwards, Bell is 87th, and Cuffe (69th - nice) and Carlos (66th) round out the lineup. Eddie is 17th among 58 PF/Cs, Petar 34th, Donnie is 40th and Jyare 45th.

 

[Nicknack]

The problem this year is that no one on this team is good enough to be "the guy". Maybe Donnie will at some point, but certainly isn't now. If JJ is looked at the be "the guy", we're likely in trouble, which we are. This isn't meant to disparage JJ or anyone else. They can still be good players, but no one is all that special at what they do. We are so mediocre in so many ways.

 

[CardiacCuse]

i wanna see the ball dumped to eddie at the free throw line and have him pump and fake and pass or score

he doesnt tiuch the ball enough imo

the team struggles to make entry passes...which then almost forces any post player to chuck it up given the rare situation they have the ball in the post

 

[SmilinBob]

To note, the comparisons made ITT are to the 1980's lakers and 2003 Syracuse team.

So 45 years ago and 20 years ago.

Small ball centers have been in existence for some time now, most notably, Golden State won their first title 10 YEARS AGO.

Let's all move into 2025 basketball wise

Maybe so but UConn and Purdue each had a big lumbering center in 2024 and were in the championship game.

 

[djcon57]

Maybe so but UConn and Purdue each had a big lumbering center in 2024 and were in the championship game.

But we don’t play like either team. Everyones missing the point of the OP.